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		By: pzatchok		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[pzatchok]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2015 20:24:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/new-jersey-pardons-mother-of-concealed-carry-charges/#comment-738745&quot;&gt;PeterF&lt;/a&gt;.

A nationwide reciprocity law would be tough to pass because of each states idea of fire arms training.

Some states do not require any and thus most states that do require training will not honor those permits, and vise a versa.

I for one believe in training. At least training on the legal and ethical aspects. 
After talking with many people online who have gotten permits in states with no training its obvious they need at least legal training. 

Without legal training to explain their own states laws its like the state is just setting them up to be arrested and thus lose all their gun rights as soon as they walk into a government office or school with their CCW.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/new-jersey-pardons-mother-of-concealed-carry-charges/#comment-738745">PeterF</a>.</p>
<p>A nationwide reciprocity law would be tough to pass because of each states idea of fire arms training.</p>
<p>Some states do not require any and thus most states that do require training will not honor those permits, and vise a versa.</p>
<p>I for one believe in training. At least training on the legal and ethical aspects.<br />
After talking with many people online who have gotten permits in states with no training its obvious they need at least legal training. </p>
<p>Without legal training to explain their own states laws its like the state is just setting them up to be arrested and thus lose all their gun rights as soon as they walk into a government office or school with their CCW.</p>
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		By: Robert Zimmerman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert Zimmerman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2015 19:02:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/new-jersey-pardons-mother-of-concealed-carry-charges/#comment-738518&quot;&gt;CVA&lt;/a&gt;.

Ah, my apologies. I misunderstood your comment. I thought when you wrote &quot;honest oversight&quot; you were referring to the prosecutor&#039;s charges against the woman. I was mistaken. You were correctly referring to the woman&#039;s oversight of innocently driving into fascist New Jersey with a legal gun.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/new-jersey-pardons-mother-of-concealed-carry-charges/#comment-738518">CVA</a>.</p>
<p>Ah, my apologies. I misunderstood your comment. I thought when you wrote &#8220;honest oversight&#8221; you were referring to the prosecutor&#8217;s charges against the woman. I was mistaken. You were correctly referring to the woman&#8217;s oversight of innocently driving into fascist New Jersey with a legal gun.</p>
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		By: PeterF		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[PeterF]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2015 18:03:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Personally I believe this woman&#039;s civil liberties rights were trampled by &quot;progressive&quot; gun control laws. She has escaped a long imprisonment only because of an intervention by a right-of-center governor. I seriously doubt that she would still be enjoying her liberty if this case had not garnered national attention or NJ had a democrat governor. If I am not mistaken, she will always have a firearms arrest on her record which may be grounds for a zealous anti-gun police chief in Pennsylvania to have cause for denial of a permit to carry. 

The second amendment does not &quot;give&quot; us the right to keep and bear arms. it merely enumerates that god-given right and prohibits the government from restricting that right without just cause. Can you imagine the dystopia the progressives would have created by now if the bill of rights didn&#039;t exist? Too bad the framers didn&#039;t foresee the renaming of legislation as &quot;regulation&quot;. - but I guess thats OUR fight...

Also, Don&#039;t forget the time she spent in custody and the cost of her legal defense. The legislation cost her more than just inconvenience.

Is Gov. Christie going to pardon every poor slob that gets caught on this hook? I seriously doubt it because this &quot;crime&quot; will almost always be an additional charge to whatever caused the initial police attention.

And the question remains;  Why is there no national reciprocity for firearms licenses? There is for automobile licenses and statistically speaking, automobiles are far more dangerous than handguns. If you are competent in one state, why is this no longer the case two feet on the other side of a &quot;united&quot; state border?

Perhaps each state should be forced to post signs at each entry point (there&#039;s a lot!) to warn people crossing the border of any law that is more restrictive than in the state they are leaving. The incredible cost of doing that would tend to be an incentive for legislative uniformity without national firearms licensing. (Which is what I believe the FID card was meant to be as the first step down that slippery slope)

New Hampshire (no permit required) considered putting up signs on all roadways warning residents that they were about to enter Massachusetts (restrictive permit at high cost) (-thanks Mitt you RINO) Every year hundreds of otherwise law abiding NH residents discover they have committed a felony just because they went shopping in the next town down the road. They dropped that plan after the leftist Massholes started protesting.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally I believe this woman&#8217;s civil liberties rights were trampled by &#8220;progressive&#8221; gun control laws. She has escaped a long imprisonment only because of an intervention by a right-of-center governor. I seriously doubt that she would still be enjoying her liberty if this case had not garnered national attention or NJ had a democrat governor. If I am not mistaken, she will always have a firearms arrest on her record which may be grounds for a zealous anti-gun police chief in Pennsylvania to have cause for denial of a permit to carry. </p>
<p>The second amendment does not &#8220;give&#8221; us the right to keep and bear arms. it merely enumerates that god-given right and prohibits the government from restricting that right without just cause. Can you imagine the dystopia the progressives would have created by now if the bill of rights didn&#8217;t exist? Too bad the framers didn&#8217;t foresee the renaming of legislation as &#8220;regulation&#8221;. &#8211; but I guess thats OUR fight&#8230;</p>
<p>Also, Don&#8217;t forget the time she spent in custody and the cost of her legal defense. The legislation cost her more than just inconvenience.</p>
<p>Is Gov. Christie going to pardon every poor slob that gets caught on this hook? I seriously doubt it because this &#8220;crime&#8221; will almost always be an additional charge to whatever caused the initial police attention.</p>
<p>And the question remains;  Why is there no national reciprocity for firearms licenses? There is for automobile licenses and statistically speaking, automobiles are far more dangerous than handguns. If you are competent in one state, why is this no longer the case two feet on the other side of a &#8220;united&#8221; state border?</p>
<p>Perhaps each state should be forced to post signs at each entry point (there&#8217;s a lot!) to warn people crossing the border of any law that is more restrictive than in the state they are leaving. The incredible cost of doing that would tend to be an incentive for legislative uniformity without national firearms licensing. (Which is what I believe the FID card was meant to be as the first step down that slippery slope)</p>
<p>New Hampshire (no permit required) considered putting up signs on all roadways warning residents that they were about to enter Massachusetts (restrictive permit at high cost) (-thanks Mitt you RINO) Every year hundreds of otherwise law abiding NH residents discover they have committed a felony just because they went shopping in the next town down the road. They dropped that plan after the leftist Massholes started protesting.</p>
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		By: Tom Billings		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Billings]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2015 16:54:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Nonetheless, I still stand by my original observation, in this particular case, politics, law enforcement and the legal system produced a sensible resolution; the PA women was ultimately not subjected any lawful legal remedies by the state of NJ.&quot;

No. It never has been, nor ever will be, sensible to deprive citizens of their Second Amendment Rights, not for harassment, as in this case, much less for a prison sentence.

&quot;Furthermore, I am confused by your taking issue with my qualification, that in fact, an “honest oversight” was made by the PA women.&quot;

Your statement was unclear, in that I read it as speaking of an honest oversight by the police and prosecutor. It was not *any* sort of oversight by them. It was a distinctly politically motivated act, to show the NJ oligarchy of the zeal of the police and prosecutor, in keeping them able to coerce citizens at will.

&quot; ... this is actually a states right matter at it’s core. Are you in favor of federally mandated gun laws? &quot;

Just one, the Second Amendment, and the demand that all States accede to it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Nonetheless, I still stand by my original observation, in this particular case, politics, law enforcement and the legal system produced a sensible resolution; the PA women was ultimately not subjected any lawful legal remedies by the state of NJ.&#8221;</p>
<p>No. It never has been, nor ever will be, sensible to deprive citizens of their Second Amendment Rights, not for harassment, as in this case, much less for a prison sentence.</p>
<p>&#8220;Furthermore, I am confused by your taking issue with my qualification, that in fact, an “honest oversight” was made by the PA women.&#8221;</p>
<p>Your statement was unclear, in that I read it as speaking of an honest oversight by the police and prosecutor. It was not *any* sort of oversight by them. It was a distinctly politically motivated act, to show the NJ oligarchy of the zeal of the police and prosecutor, in keeping them able to coerce citizens at will.</p>
<p>&#8221; &#8230; this is actually a states right matter at it’s core. Are you in favor of federally mandated gun laws? &#8221;</p>
<p>Just one, the Second Amendment, and the demand that all States accede to it.</p>
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		By: CVA		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CVA]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2015 08:23:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Freedom of speech&quot; by definition is part of American &quot;politics&quot; Bob.  Therefore, why the need to parce my opening statement?  Are you inferring it was an oversight on my part to not provide specific acknowledgement to EACH of the various forms of exogenous &quot;political&quot; influence brought to bear in this case? If so, time and space considerations are my only defense. 
Nonetheless, I still stand by my original observation, in this particular case, politics, law enforcement and the legal system produced a sensible resolution; the PA women was ultimately not subjected any lawful legal remedies by the state of NJ.  
Furthermore, I am confused by your taking issue with my qualification, that in fact, an &quot;honest oversight&quot;  was made by the PA women. She was a new gun owner and to the best of my recollection she had been twice assaulted and was issued a conceal carry....within a PA jurisdiction.  NJ laws do not offer reciprocity, rightly or wrongly....this is actually a states right matter at it&#039;s core.  Are you in favor of federally mandated gun laws?  Or is this PA women&#039;s experience simply an example of the occasional, natural price to pay resulting from individual states right to &quot;politically&quot; enact and enforce their own laws?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Freedom of speech&#8221; by definition is part of American &#8220;politics&#8221; Bob.  Therefore, why the need to parce my opening statement?  Are you inferring it was an oversight on my part to not provide specific acknowledgement to EACH of the various forms of exogenous &#8220;political&#8221; influence brought to bear in this case? If so, time and space considerations are my only defense.<br />
Nonetheless, I still stand by my original observation, in this particular case, politics, law enforcement and the legal system produced a sensible resolution; the PA women was ultimately not subjected any lawful legal remedies by the state of NJ.<br />
Furthermore, I am confused by your taking issue with my qualification, that in fact, an &#8220;honest oversight&#8221;  was made by the PA women. She was a new gun owner and to the best of my recollection she had been twice assaulted and was issued a conceal carry&#8230;.within a PA jurisdiction.  NJ laws do not offer reciprocity, rightly or wrongly&#8230;.this is actually a states right matter at it&#8217;s core.  Are you in favor of federally mandated gun laws?  Or is this PA women&#8217;s experience simply an example of the occasional, natural price to pay resulting from individual states right to &#8220;politically&#8221; enact and enforce their own laws?</p>
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		By: Robert Zimmerman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert Zimmerman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2015 06:25:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/new-jersey-pardons-mother-of-concealed-carry-charges/#comment-738323&quot;&gt;CVA&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;It is refreshing to read that politics, law enforcement and the legal system seemingly worked together and rendered a sensible resolution.&quot;

I personally do not think the law enforcement or the legal system worked here at all to render a sensible resolution. What worked was freedom of speech, which allowed many independent news sources, including bloggers like myself, to publicize the injustice being imposed on this woman by a power-hungry New Jersey prosecutor wielding an unjust law written to disarm law-abiding American citizens. That publicity forced the prosecutor to back down, and eventually forced Christie to pardon her.

The problem is that others have been caught by the same law and have not had the luck of getting that much publicity, and have thus not been freed. Some have even gone to prison for years, for doing nothing wrong but possessing a legal firearm.

Moreover, the woman&#039;s arrest was not &quot;an honest oversight&quot; as you write. It was a deliberate act by the police and the prosecutor. It was intentional. And the New Jersey police have done this repeatedly. It is no accident. Be warned. Law enforcement officials in New Jersey eagerly arrest and prosecute any out-of-state citizen caught possessing a gun without New Jersey permission, no matter how legal that gun might be.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/new-jersey-pardons-mother-of-concealed-carry-charges/#comment-738323">CVA</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;It is refreshing to read that politics, law enforcement and the legal system seemingly worked together and rendered a sensible resolution.&#8221;</p>
<p>I personally do not think the law enforcement or the legal system worked here at all to render a sensible resolution. What worked was freedom of speech, which allowed many independent news sources, including bloggers like myself, to publicize the injustice being imposed on this woman by a power-hungry New Jersey prosecutor wielding an unjust law written to disarm law-abiding American citizens. That publicity forced the prosecutor to back down, and eventually forced Christie to pardon her.</p>
<p>The problem is that others have been caught by the same law and have not had the luck of getting that much publicity, and have thus not been freed. Some have even gone to prison for years, for doing nothing wrong but possessing a legal firearm.</p>
<p>Moreover, the woman&#8217;s arrest was not &#8220;an honest oversight&#8221; as you write. It was a deliberate act by the police and the prosecutor. It was intentional. And the New Jersey police have done this repeatedly. It is no accident. Be warned. Law enforcement officials in New Jersey eagerly arrest and prosecute any out-of-state citizen caught possessing a gun without New Jersey permission, no matter how legal that gun might be.</p>
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		By: CVA		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2015 02:14:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thank you for following up on this story Bob. It is refreshing to read that politics, law enforcement and the legal system seemingly worked together and rendered a sensible resolution.  I do trust this &quot;mom&quot; will have learned from this experience. Taxpayers...REJOICE!  We have one less inmate &quot;going away&quot; on account an honest oversight; which also means an extra space for those more deserving with bad intent.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for following up on this story Bob. It is refreshing to read that politics, law enforcement and the legal system seemingly worked together and rendered a sensible resolution.  I do trust this &#8220;mom&#8221; will have learned from this experience. Taxpayers&#8230;REJOICE!  We have one less inmate &#8220;going away&#8221; on account an honest oversight; which also means an extra space for those more deserving with bad intent.</p>
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