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		By: GaryMike		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[GaryMike]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Feb 2025 01:49:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Competitive free market spaces.

If you&#039;re a publicly owned entity, you listen to your investors/shareholders.

Or go bankrupt.

Taxes protect commies from bankruptcy.

And then the free market schools them.

Sionara.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Competitive free market spaces.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re a publicly owned entity, you listen to your investors/shareholders.</p>
<p>Or go bankrupt.</p>
<p>Taxes protect commies from bankruptcy.</p>
<p>And then the free market schools them.</p>
<p>Sionara.</p>
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		By: Cluebat		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cluebat]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Feb 2025 16:06:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sad. I used to follow Bill Whittle back in the day. He wrote some really interesting stuff about it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sad. I used to follow Bill Whittle back in the day. He wrote some really interesting stuff about it.</p>
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		By: Dick Eagleson		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dick Eagleson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Feb 2025 06:04:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Jeff Wright,

Inland spaceports might well become a thing during the back half of this century, but &lt;i&gt;orbital&lt;/i&gt; rockets will need to mature to at least a small airliner level of reliability before that is realistic.  Vehicles like Starship and Stoke&#039;s Nova will probably be the first to achieve this level of reliability because of the learning curve to be had from hyper-frequent flight ops initially conducted from traditional coastal sites or even future off-shore ones.

I don&#039;t see dropping side boosters in the desert of the American Southwest as a likely future thing as I see no future for vehicles incorporating such strap-ons.  Stage-and-a-half architectures are intrinsically much harder and more expensive to make usefully reusable than are TSTO vehicles.  Darwin rules.

There also won&#039;t be any demand for ascent routes that would allow dropping core stages into the Pacific.  To keep the ground track over U.S. territory, the ascent track would, of necessity, be due west from anywhere in the US inland desert southwest.  That means the orbits achievable would be retrograde, which gives away the payload advantage to be gained from launching eastward and, indeed, puts one in deficit territory.

If anything saves Spaceport America, it isn&#039;t going to be vertical launches unless they are suborbital up-and-downers like New Shepard.  The only significant inland spaceport in the U.S. is the Bezos/Blue property near Van Horn, TX.  It is likely to keep that status for quite awhile yet as I am dubious Virgin Galactic has much of a future.

It is a bit ironic that the referenced annual rocket competition is moving to Midland, TX as the only reason Midland even &lt;i&gt;has&lt;/i&gt; a spaceport is that it - like Spaceport America - is also a near-derelict leftover from a completely failed attempt at suborbital spaceplane operations instead of just a hanging-on-by-its-fingernails spaceplane operator.  So we have one failed spaceport trying to make a very limited and modest comeback by poaching a bit of business from another such.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff Wright,</p>
<p>Inland spaceports might well become a thing during the back half of this century, but <i>orbital</i> rockets will need to mature to at least a small airliner level of reliability before that is realistic.  Vehicles like Starship and Stoke&#8217;s Nova will probably be the first to achieve this level of reliability because of the learning curve to be had from hyper-frequent flight ops initially conducted from traditional coastal sites or even future off-shore ones.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see dropping side boosters in the desert of the American Southwest as a likely future thing as I see no future for vehicles incorporating such strap-ons.  Stage-and-a-half architectures are intrinsically much harder and more expensive to make usefully reusable than are TSTO vehicles.  Darwin rules.</p>
<p>There also won&#8217;t be any demand for ascent routes that would allow dropping core stages into the Pacific.  To keep the ground track over U.S. territory, the ascent track would, of necessity, be due west from anywhere in the US inland desert southwest.  That means the orbits achievable would be retrograde, which gives away the payload advantage to be gained from launching eastward and, indeed, puts one in deficit territory.</p>
<p>If anything saves Spaceport America, it isn&#8217;t going to be vertical launches unless they are suborbital up-and-downers like New Shepard.  The only significant inland spaceport in the U.S. is the Bezos/Blue property near Van Horn, TX.  It is likely to keep that status for quite awhile yet as I am dubious Virgin Galactic has much of a future.</p>
<p>It is a bit ironic that the referenced annual rocket competition is moving to Midland, TX as the only reason Midland even <i>has</i> a spaceport is that it &#8211; like Spaceport America &#8211; is also a near-derelict leftover from a completely failed attempt at suborbital spaceplane operations instead of just a hanging-on-by-its-fingernails spaceplane operator.  So we have one failed spaceport trying to make a very limited and modest comeback by poaching a bit of business from another such.</p>
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		By: Joe		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Feb 2025 01:30:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Spaceport America is an interesting place. I moved Beyond-Earth from Colorado to New Mexico specifically to use the spaceport. The problems started immediately. It wasn&#039;t a good experience. We never once used the facility. It was too cumbersome to get anyone to move on anything. Armadillo Aerospace (EXOS) had some luck and UP Aerospace sometimes flies from there. Spin Launch has a facility there too. The place is impossible to get to, micro managed, and empty. It is a shame as there was such great possibility for the facility.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spaceport America is an interesting place. I moved Beyond-Earth from Colorado to New Mexico specifically to use the spaceport. The problems started immediately. It wasn&#8217;t a good experience. We never once used the facility. It was too cumbersome to get anyone to move on anything. Armadillo Aerospace (EXOS) had some luck and UP Aerospace sometimes flies from there. Spin Launch has a facility there too. The place is impossible to get to, micro managed, and empty. It is a shame as there was such great possibility for the facility.</p>
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		By: Jeff Wright		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Wright]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Feb 2025 23:08:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[They were sold on Rutan&#039;s idea of winged spaceflight.

Now I think you could make a case for inland launched of stage-and-a-half designs.

Strap-ons can land in the desert and tankage released into the Pacific.

There were Mini- and micro-shuttle concepts that need looking at again.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They were sold on Rutan&#8217;s idea of winged spaceflight.</p>
<p>Now I think you could make a case for inland launched of stage-and-a-half designs.</p>
<p>Strap-ons can land in the desert and tankage released into the Pacific.</p>
<p>There were Mini- and micro-shuttle concepts that need looking at again.</p>
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