Comments on: Pentagon getting serious of hauling cargo with Starship

By: pzatchok

pzatchok — Tue, 08 Jun 2021 05:57:16 +0000

I just thought of a good way to get the jumpers out of the space craft.

If you remember the one way they thought of getting the astronauts out of the Shuttle was a long bent tube sticking out of a door.
Once the space craft slows down enough, and goes vertical, they can spin the ship just enough to help toss the jumpers out of and away from the craft on one or two of those bent poles.

The spaceship can then either boost back to space or if that is not possible maybe boost back enough to reach a barge or aircraft carrier waiting on its orbital path.

I would like to see the next generation second stage actually have its engines outside the central body and the cargo in the center between them. That way loading and unloading can be done without cranes. Just walk down a ramp in between the engines.
Fuel above the cargo area.

By: NavyNuke

NavyNuke — Fri, 04 Jun 2021 19:14:35 +0000

From today’s new conference – they really, really mean it.
https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/06/the-military-wants-to-use-rockets-for-cargo-delivery-anywhere-on-earth/

By: Jeff Wright

Jeff Wright — Fri, 04 Jun 2021 05:25:01 +0000

Vehicles too…but turrets have to be held on by more than gravity. Each pre-fab load-out is a different package: an honest to goodness drop-ship…to a stack of PICA ablative coated Daisy Cutters on a refueled Starship that moves such that the multi-bombs hit one after another at orbital speed-but straight down if possible for quake triggering.

By: NavyNuke

NavyNuke — Thu, 03 Jun 2021 23:16:13 +0000

@pzatchok

If you tell SOCOM they can reliably free fall from 80k, 100k or even 200k for HALO or HAHO jumps and they will figure a way to use that capability. That could give some deep clandestine insertion capacity from outside borders.

By: Jeff Wright

Jeff Wright — Thu, 03 Jun 2021 07:38:37 +0000

It really needs to be its own vehicle. Over at “No Shortage of dreams is a design of an airplane that comes out of a big lifting body. For armor, use one of those Biconic Mars designs in place of or on a rump starship…or a jet mini-buran for troops…SUSTAIN style like Bedard wanted…HOT EAGLE style.

By: pzatchok

pzatchok — Thu, 03 Jun 2021 05:06:26 +0000

First off i want to see if the seconds stage cargo rocket can take off and reach orbit empty other wise its just a one way trip.
It would be an easy target on all battlefields.

Second off I want to see the final cost to launch 100 tons. Shipping costs like this will add a lot to the final cost of ammo and MRE’s for the front line. Think of the costs for returning anything you ship.

As s bonus thought.
Could the second stage cone back into the atmosphere down to around 60 thousand feet and then fire itself back into orbit without landing? That is one way to make a HALO with 50 to 100 men. And it would pose little to no risk to the ship/

By: Jeff Wright

Jeff Wright — Thu, 03 Jun 2021 03:17:04 +0000

V-Man: You are spot on...and thanks to that delay... I am livid when I should be happy. This is what Medaris wanted ---for the ABMA....that threatened the USAF airlift-indeed their existence. So ABMA died. I think Saturn I might have been modifed for legs, but Bono wanted something larger. If I were Musk-I'd give the Air Farce a discount...but only if their top man lays flowers atop Medaris' grave on national TV and says Martin Landau's line from METEOR: "We were very wrong" after giving the Warthog to the Army. If they refuse, then Washington should FORCE them to do the same mission with SLS paying all costs for it. Only then will my hatred of the Blue Suits end...they hurt Marshall....and I want them to eat of the dish best served cold....

By: NavyNuke

NavyNuke — Wed, 02 Jun 2021 19:53:22 +0000

Extreme HALO for operators and cargo.

By: David K

David K — Wed, 02 Jun 2021 19:39:11 +0000

For the previous replies, I don’t think this is about tanks.
More like a ranger sniper team, a combat medic, a bunch of drones, and a small nuclear reactor (kilo power) to reinforce a remote base in an emergency.

By: Matt in AZ

Matt in AZ — Wed, 02 Jun 2021 18:25:10 +0000

1201AlarmSameType – the C-5 Galaxy can carry 2 M-1 tanks, and the C-17 can carry only 1, but to more locations. I can understand using boats for shipping greater numbers, of course. But man, loading/unloading an M-1 from a Starship under Earth gravity – no thanks!

By: 1201AlarmSameType

1201AlarmSameType — Wed, 02 Jun 2021 17:41:57 +0000

Basically you could transport an A1 Abrams tank if you could lock the barrel at a high enough angle to be inside 9 meters. During Desert Storm they had to be shipped by slow boat as no aircraft can transport them.

By: V-Man

V-Man — Wed, 02 Jun 2021 16:55:56 +0000

So basically it’s Phil Bono’s Ithacus project only 55 years later?