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		By: Max		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Max]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[John Hare; 
  H2O is an algebraic Simplification of  H4O2. 
H2O does not occur in nature except perhaps during a northern lights display. Monoatomic oxygen in the outer atmosphere will combine with anything. Colors change as Solar gases descend into the normal oxygen and ozone layers. 

  As you pointed out, 18 atomic weight of H2O is lighter than normal air and therefore all water would rise away from the planet surface to the upper atmosphere, just as all light elements and molecules do. 

   Also when splitting H402 water molecules with electrolysis, we get 2(H2) on one side and 2O on the other.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Hare;<br />
  H2O is an algebraic Simplification of  H4O2.<br />
H2O does not occur in nature except perhaps during a northern lights display. Monoatomic oxygen in the outer atmosphere will combine with anything. Colors change as Solar gases descend into the normal oxygen and ozone layers. </p>
<p>  As you pointed out, 18 atomic weight of H2O is lighter than normal air and therefore all water would rise away from the planet surface to the upper atmosphere, just as all light elements and molecules do. </p>
<p>   Also when splitting H402 water molecules with electrolysis, we get 2(H2) on one side and 2O on the other.</p>
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		By: Jeff Wright		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Wright]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2025 22:51:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Lightning?
https://phys.org/news/2025-11-scientists-capture-crackling-lightning-mars.html]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lightning?<br />
<a href="https://phys.org/news/2025-11-scientists-capture-crackling-lightning-mars.html" rel="nofollow ugc">https://phys.org/news/2025-11-scientists-capture-crackling-lightning-mars.html</a></p>
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		By: Jeff Wright		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Wright]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2025 23:43:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[On electric fields
https://phys.org/news/2025-11-electric-discharges-mars.html]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On electric fields<br />
<a href="https://phys.org/news/2025-11-electric-discharges-mars.html" rel="nofollow ugc">https://phys.org/news/2025-11-electric-discharges-mars.html</a></p>
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		By: john hare		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[john hare]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2025 23:18:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[(water when frozen expands becoming lighter or fluffier… when heated, it expands many times it’s normal size becoming buoyant enough to float next to our stratosphere, despite being 4 hydrogen atoms heavier then normal air)

H2O at 18 would seem to be lighter than N2 at 28 and O2 at 32,]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(water when frozen expands becoming lighter or fluffier… when heated, it expands many times it’s normal size becoming buoyant enough to float next to our stratosphere, despite being 4 hydrogen atoms heavier then normal air)</p>
<p>H2O at 18 would seem to be lighter than N2 at 28 and O2 at 32,</p>
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		By: Max		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Max]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2025 16:27:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Low pressure system? Fascinating, I thought Martian atmosphere was too uniform for such things to occur. 

   On earth, low pressures are caused by air with lower temperatures, with the most common cause being a storm with a large amount of water mass and humidity. (water when frozen expands becoming lighter or fluffier... when heated, it expands many times it’s normal size becoming buoyant enough to float next to our stratosphere, despite being 4 hydrogen atoms heavier then normal air)
   As water vapor expands becoming fluffy taking up more space, heavier nitrogen and oxygen must move out of the way resulting in a drop in air pressure and temperature. This void creates a vacuum resulting in wind which always blows towards the negative air pressure. Wind friction, because it takes energy to force air to move, results in higher air temperatures of a few degrees. Upon reaching the low air pressure, the wind cools and condenses creating more vacuum. Eventually the storm vortex breaks up and spreads out. 

   This makes me wonder if the near surface water they detected in this area is creating the circumstances for a low pressure event? I’m not going to presume what works on Mars is like earth... especially since CO2 is closer in atomic weight with H402.
    I also do not see vortex movement associated with these dust storms, not a cyclone as associated with storms on earth.
   But then Mars does not have magnetic field. On earth the storms have a PH (natural acid rain) that induces current, sometimes lightning, which drives the storm to move circular inside of a strong magnetic field. 
    The closest to a vortex is UV charged dust creating dust devils.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Low pressure system? Fascinating, I thought Martian atmosphere was too uniform for such things to occur. </p>
<p>   On earth, low pressures are caused by air with lower temperatures, with the most common cause being a storm with a large amount of water mass and humidity. (water when frozen expands becoming lighter or fluffier&#8230; when heated, it expands many times it’s normal size becoming buoyant enough to float next to our stratosphere, despite being 4 hydrogen atoms heavier then normal air)<br />
   As water vapor expands becoming fluffy taking up more space, heavier nitrogen and oxygen must move out of the way resulting in a drop in air pressure and temperature. This void creates a vacuum resulting in wind which always blows towards the negative air pressure. Wind friction, because it takes energy to force air to move, results in higher air temperatures of a few degrees. Upon reaching the low air pressure, the wind cools and condenses creating more vacuum. Eventually the storm vortex breaks up and spreads out. </p>
<p>   This makes me wonder if the near surface water they detected in this area is creating the circumstances for a low pressure event? I’m not going to presume what works on Mars is like earth&#8230; especially since CO2 is closer in atomic weight with H402.<br />
    I also do not see vortex movement associated with these dust storms, not a cyclone as associated with storms on earth.<br />
   But then Mars does not have magnetic field. On earth the storms have a PH (natural acid rain) that induces current, sometimes lightning, which drives the storm to move circular inside of a strong magnetic field.<br />
    The closest to a vortex is UV charged dust creating dust devils.</p>
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		By: Jeff Wright		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2025 03:04:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The winds of Mars have no force, but static electricity will be a threat. HAM radio function squirrelly. I would not trust smartphone tech...at all. 1977 Voyager tech might even have problems.

I remember a wet soccer field where but a single lightning strike felled many players.

Brines a similar threat?

Consider fluidics, Elon.

 And all optical computing as back up.

No touch screens.

You have a 1950&#039;s rocket. I want to see 1950&#039;s switches and nixie tubes. NORAD stuff.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The winds of Mars have no force, but static electricity will be a threat. HAM radio function squirrelly. I would not trust smartphone tech&#8230;at all. 1977 Voyager tech might even have problems.</p>
<p>I remember a wet soccer field where but a single lightning strike felled many players.</p>
<p>Brines a similar threat?</p>
<p>Consider fluidics, Elon.</p>
<p> And all optical computing as back up.</p>
<p>No touch screens.</p>
<p>You have a 1950&#8217;s rocket. I want to see 1950&#8217;s switches and nixie tubes. NORAD stuff.</p>
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		By: Frank Solomon		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2025 03:01:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Weather obviously matters for a Mars Starship landing. IMO, a level landing area matters just as much and maybe more. So many recent lunar landers fell over when they touched down. IIRC Viking 2 landed about ten degrees off, and at least one Lunar Module also landed a little off. This doesn&#039;t get attention like Mars weather, but I&#039;m sure that SpaceX heavily plans for it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Weather obviously matters for a Mars Starship landing. IMO, a level landing area matters just as much and maybe more. So many recent lunar landers fell over when they touched down. IIRC Viking 2 landed about ten degrees off, and at least one Lunar Module also landed a little off. This doesn&#8217;t get attention like Mars weather, but I&#8217;m sure that SpaceX heavily plans for it.</p>
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		By: Steve		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2025 02:09:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Can&#039;t wait to plug this location in to accuweather for the seven day outlook!!]]></description>
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