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		By: Robert Zimmerman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert Zimmerman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Apr 2023 16:02:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/pushback-university-president-forced-out-because-she-fired-professor-for-including-muhammad-images-in-classwork/#comment-1407173&quot;&gt;Blair Ivey&lt;/a&gt;.

Blair Ivey: GaryMike had been banned for the repeated use of obscenities. When I ban someone all comments go into moderation, where I can delete them before anyone reads them. He initially stopped commenting, but then after a year or so he asked if he could comment again. I said yes, as long as he behaved himself. His comments still go into moderation, I check them, and have now always approved them.

I have since offered to take him off moderation but he said it was better I check him first. As he said, more or less, he didn&#039;t trust himself.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/pushback-university-president-forced-out-because-she-fired-professor-for-including-muhammad-images-in-classwork/#comment-1407173">Blair Ivey</a>.</p>
<p>Blair Ivey: GaryMike had been banned for the repeated use of obscenities. When I ban someone all comments go into moderation, where I can delete them before anyone reads them. He initially stopped commenting, but then after a year or so he asked if he could comment again. I said yes, as long as he behaved himself. His comments still go into moderation, I check them, and have now always approved them.</p>
<p>I have since offered to take him off moderation but he said it was better I check him first. As he said, more or less, he didn&#8217;t trust himself.</p>
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		By: Blair Ivey		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Blair Ivey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Apr 2023 08:06:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[GaryMike:

I did not know you had been banned. Those of us might form a club. I propose the &#039;Thin Ice Club&#039;, as we are &#039;one and done&#039; away from banishment. From history, we know this to be true, and as you point out, a feature, not a bug. 

&#039;Banned
On Behind the Black
I was
Banned
On Behind the Black

Ran into a little Forum jam
Comment reception 
Not according to plan

I said something
Maybe amiss
Learned my lesson
And do not diss]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GaryMike:</p>
<p>I did not know you had been banned. Those of us might form a club. I propose the &#8216;Thin Ice Club&#8217;, as we are &#8216;one and done&#8217; away from banishment. From history, we know this to be true, and as you point out, a feature, not a bug. </p>
<p>&#8216;Banned<br />
On Behind the Black<br />
I was<br />
Banned<br />
On Behind the Black</p>
<p>Ran into a little Forum jam<br />
Comment reception<br />
Not according to plan</p>
<p>I said something<br />
Maybe amiss<br />
Learned my lesson<br />
And do not diss</p>
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		By: GaryMike		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[GaryMike]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Apr 2023 06:49:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Denis,

I&#039;ve been banned here, no caps were required.

Respect the place, or go away.

The owner is capable of suffering idiots.

Self-deprecation is its own reward.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Denis,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been banned here, no caps were required.</p>
<p>Respect the place, or go away.</p>
<p>The owner is capable of suffering idiots.</p>
<p>Self-deprecation is its own reward.</p>
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		By: Robert Zimmerman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert Zimmerman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Apr 2023 18:27:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/pushback-university-president-forced-out-because-she-fired-professor-for-including-muhammad-images-in-classwork/#comment-1405697&quot;&gt;DENIS KLEINFELD&lt;/a&gt;.

Denis Kleinfeld: You should know that using all CAPITAL LETTERS in commenting on the internet is the equivalent of yelling at people rudely. I suspect you did not intend to be rude, but that is how you came off.

Your point would be more effective spoken softy, in exactly the same words.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/pushback-university-president-forced-out-because-she-fired-professor-for-including-muhammad-images-in-classwork/#comment-1405697">DENIS KLEINFELD</a>.</p>
<p>Denis Kleinfeld: You should know that using all CAPITAL LETTERS in commenting on the internet is the equivalent of yelling at people rudely. I suspect you did not intend to be rude, but that is how you came off.</p>
<p>Your point would be more effective spoken softy, in exactly the same words.</p>
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		By: DENIS KLEINFELD		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DENIS KLEINFELD]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Apr 2023 17:38:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[YES, IT&#039;S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT EVERYONE IS ENTITLED TO THEIR OPINION, BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN THEY ARE ENTITLED TO CREDIBILITY, NOR DOES IT MEAN THAT THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO COERCE THEIR OPINION ON OTHERS.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>YES, IT&#8217;S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT EVERYONE IS ENTITLED TO THEIR OPINION, BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN THEY ARE ENTITLED TO CREDIBILITY, NOR DOES IT MEAN THAT THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO COERCE THEIR OPINION ON OTHERS.</p>
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		By: Dano S.		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dano S.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Apr 2023 12:24:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[These days, it doesn&#039;t matter how competent you are or how well you do your job because it all comes down to politics. We have incompetent buffons in all manner of high level positions. They keep failing horribly at their real jobs, but as long as they keep spouting nonsense about racist roads or some similar non-issue, they get to keep their positions. Just don&#039;t offend any protected group because your career will be instantly finished. And that&#039;s tough to do since almost anything these days offends some whiny individual somewhere who will then get national headlines with their complaint.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These days, it doesn&#8217;t matter how competent you are or how well you do your job because it all comes down to politics. We have incompetent buffons in all manner of high level positions. They keep failing horribly at their real jobs, but as long as they keep spouting nonsense about racist roads or some similar non-issue, they get to keep their positions. Just don&#8217;t offend any protected group because your career will be instantly finished. And that&#8217;s tough to do since almost anything these days offends some whiny individual somewhere who will then get national headlines with their complaint.</p>
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		By: Star Bird		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Star Bird]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Apr 2023 21:23:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[We    would  really   save a    lot  if  we ttaly    cut off  all   funding to these  leftists  run   Universties and Collages  and  saved    it   for  more improtant   things like  Better    Homes  and National Defense]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We    would  really   save a    lot  if  we ttaly    cut off  all   funding to these  leftists  run   Universties and Collages  and  saved    it   for  more improtant   things like  Better    Homes  and National Defense</p>
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		By: GaryMike		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[GaryMike]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Apr 2023 02:21:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I left out the context to the original post.

Offended feelings are subjective. I am not offended by the picture of the Angel and/or Mohammad. I&#039;m not personally invested in either one.

It&#039;s just a depiction of someone&#039;s opinion I don&#039;t personally share but have no right to deny them.








i don&#039;t share but]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I left out the context to the original post.</p>
<p>Offended feelings are subjective. I am not offended by the picture of the Angel and/or Mohammad. I&#8217;m not personally invested in either one.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s just a depiction of someone&#8217;s opinion I don&#8217;t personally share but have no right to deny them.</p>
<p>i don&#8217;t share but</p>
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		By: GaryMike		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[GaryMike]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Apr 2023 02:00:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I was raised in a Christian family, married a Muslim, was in business for decades with a Jew.

I have no personal relationship with any one religion, nor deity.

My personal relationship is with my Universe, not anyone&#039;s else&#039;s personal point of view.

I&#039;ve never once thought that the Universe intended that I defend my belief from unbelievers. Violently, or otherwise.

I&#039;ve always been at peace in this regard.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was raised in a Christian family, married a Muslim, was in business for decades with a Jew.</p>
<p>I have no personal relationship with any one religion, nor deity.</p>
<p>My personal relationship is with my Universe, not anyone&#8217;s else&#8217;s personal point of view.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never once thought that the Universe intended that I defend my belief from unbelievers. Violently, or otherwise.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve always been at peace in this regard.</p>
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		By: pzatchok		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[pzatchok]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Apr 2023 00:29:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I question the existence of Prophet Muhammad at all.
The most literate civilization on the planet didn&#039;t write about him until 500 years after his death. But it wrote about Jesus a mere hundred years after his death.

The Catholic church has writings about Jesus a short few years after his death.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I question the existence of Prophet Muhammad at all.<br />
The most literate civilization on the planet didn&#8217;t write about him until 500 years after his death. But it wrote about Jesus a mere hundred years after his death.</p>
<p>The Catholic church has writings about Jesus a short few years after his death.</p>
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		By: Robert Zimmerman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert Zimmerman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Apr 2023 23:44:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/pushback-university-president-forced-out-because-she-fired-professor-for-including-muhammad-images-in-classwork/#comment-1404975&quot;&gt;Col Beausabre&lt;/a&gt;.

Col Beausabre: Note the pattern. When we were celebrate Mapplethorp, it was to impose the offensive thoughts of the left, against traditional Judeo-Christian values. Now, we cannot do anything but support the offensive thoughts of the left.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/pushback-university-president-forced-out-because-she-fired-professor-for-including-muhammad-images-in-classwork/#comment-1404975">Col Beausabre</a>.</p>
<p>Col Beausabre: Note the pattern. When we were celebrate Mapplethorp, it was to impose the offensive thoughts of the left, against traditional Judeo-Christian values. Now, we cannot do anything but support the offensive thoughts of the left.</p>
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		By: Col Beausabre		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Col Beausabre]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Apr 2023 23:21:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[We have gone from the celebration and praise for Mapplethorp&#039;s &quot;Piss Christ&quot;, with Christians, especially Catholics, being told to suck it up and being lectured on freedom of speech and artistic expression to people expecting a warning they might be offended by something and getting others fired for exhibiting a picture,  &quot;Progress&quot; as defined by the &quot;Progressives&quot;, of course.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have gone from the celebration and praise for Mapplethorp&#8217;s &#8220;Piss Christ&#8221;, with Christians, especially Catholics, being told to suck it up and being lectured on freedom of speech and artistic expression to people expecting a warning they might be offended by something and getting others fired for exhibiting a picture,  &#8220;Progress&#8221; as defined by the &#8220;Progressives&#8221;, of course.</p>
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		By: Blair Ivey		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Blair Ivey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Apr 2023 21:16:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The complainant was likely motivated by the Sunni Muslim practice of prohibiting depictions of the Prophet Muhammed, as it is thought to promote idolatry. In the other corner, the Prophet has been depicted in Muslim art for some 800 years. 

This case seems less about damaging religious sensibilities, than the societal promotion of, and acceptance of, lack of self-control. By the student, for not understanding that a personal discomfort is not necessarily a social problem, and for the school administration, all too eager to abase themselves before the ruling theocracy. This is what &#039;the personal is political&#039; looks like in real life. 

It would seem that the plaintiffs in these cases demonstrate a certain lack of moral fortitude. I am exposed to things that I might consider disturbing, or even offensive, but my faith and mettle are stronger than that. Those so disturbed by external stimuli may be lacking on the internal side. 

And just out of curiosity, how does &quot;a small private university&quot; afford an Associate Vice President for Inclusive Excellence? &quot;Inclusive Excellence&quot; is an attitude, not a bureaucracy.

I had not seen this painting, but find it fascinating: the expression on the Prophet&#039;s face exquisite. A mixture of aware understanding and rapture and much else. I also like the depiction of the Angel&#039;s wings, as the wing extending up to the hand seems more likely, as such things go. More in the line of bats, than birds. The image is from the Jami&#039; al-tawarikh (History of the World), Rashid al-Din Hamadani , ~1300. A history of the Turkish and Mongol peoples, as well as a compendium of the known world. Much has been lost, but a copy of the surviving work can be had on Amazon for about $600.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The complainant was likely motivated by the Sunni Muslim practice of prohibiting depictions of the Prophet Muhammed, as it is thought to promote idolatry. In the other corner, the Prophet has been depicted in Muslim art for some 800 years. </p>
<p>This case seems less about damaging religious sensibilities, than the societal promotion of, and acceptance of, lack of self-control. By the student, for not understanding that a personal discomfort is not necessarily a social problem, and for the school administration, all too eager to abase themselves before the ruling theocracy. This is what &#8216;the personal is political&#8217; looks like in real life. </p>
<p>It would seem that the plaintiffs in these cases demonstrate a certain lack of moral fortitude. I am exposed to things that I might consider disturbing, or even offensive, but my faith and mettle are stronger than that. Those so disturbed by external stimuli may be lacking on the internal side. </p>
<p>And just out of curiosity, how does &#8220;a small private university&#8221; afford an Associate Vice President for Inclusive Excellence? &#8220;Inclusive Excellence&#8221; is an attitude, not a bureaucracy.</p>
<p>I had not seen this painting, but find it fascinating: the expression on the Prophet&#8217;s face exquisite. A mixture of aware understanding and rapture and much else. I also like the depiction of the Angel&#8217;s wings, as the wing extending up to the hand seems more likely, as such things go. More in the line of bats, than birds. The image is from the Jami&#8217; al-tawarikh (History of the World), Rashid al-Din Hamadani , ~1300. A history of the Turkish and Mongol peoples, as well as a compendium of the known world. Much has been lost, but a copy of the surviving work can be had on Amazon for about $600.</p>
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