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		By: Luke		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Luke]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2021 11:14:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Huh. I thought we&#039;d believed that Mars lacked magnetosphere from its core being frozen.

So much for simple explanations, I guess.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huh. I thought we&#8217;d believed that Mars lacked magnetosphere from its core being frozen.</p>
<p>So much for simple explanations, I guess.</p>
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		By: Steve Golson		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve Golson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2021 14:52:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[David Telford: I suspect what Bob reports as mantle thickness is more precisely &quot;upper mantle&quot;. So your missing layer is &quot;lower mantle&quot;.

As they acquire more data, they will come up with a more exact model for Mars interior structure. Of course it would really help if we had more stations, and maybe people there to maintain and operate them :-)

But then you&#039;d have WAY more human-created seismic noise!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Telford: I suspect what Bob reports as mantle thickness is more precisely &#8220;upper mantle&#8221;. So your missing layer is &#8220;lower mantle&#8221;.</p>
<p>As they acquire more data, they will come up with a more exact model for Mars interior structure. Of course it would really help if we had more stations, and maybe people there to maintain and operate them :-)</p>
<p>But then you&#8217;d have WAY more human-created seismic noise!</p>
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		By: mrsizer		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2021 12:43:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[But, but, but they told me there would be no maths! Good catch, David.

Is there another component that gets what&#039;s leftover? That is, are crust, mantle, and core the only three layers? I see &quot;inner&quot; and &quot;outer&quot; broken out of &quot;core&quot; in some places.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But, but, but they told me there would be no maths! Good catch, David.</p>
<p>Is there another component that gets what&#8217;s leftover? That is, are crust, mantle, and core the only three layers? I see &#8220;inner&#8221; and &#8220;outer&#8221; broken out of &#8220;core&#8221; in some places.</p>
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		By: David Telford		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Telford]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2021 12:09:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Amazing what they can do with seismology.  Maybe not every lander, but I wonder if they&#039;d get a serious improvement with just one more seismometer?

But these numbers don&#039;t add up:  crust at 45 miles, mantle at 375 miles and core of 1300 miles diameter.  All packed together you get &quot;2 ( 45 + 375 ) + 1300&quot; = 1720 miles across, coming up short of the real Mars at 4212 miles.  My guess, the mantle is considerably thicker at about 1400 miles thick.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amazing what they can do with seismology.  Maybe not every lander, but I wonder if they&#8217;d get a serious improvement with just one more seismometer?</p>
<p>But these numbers don&#8217;t add up:  crust at 45 miles, mantle at 375 miles and core of 1300 miles diameter.  All packed together you get &#8220;2 ( 45 + 375 ) + 1300&#8221; = 1720 miles across, coming up short of the real Mars at 4212 miles.  My guess, the mantle is considerably thicker at about 1400 miles thick.</p>
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		By: Max		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2021 03:14:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Chris, I agree. 
   A small detachable independent seismograph/ weather station with its own roll out solar panel should be sent with every lander.  The descent rocket that lowers the lander could have this package attached to it? It has enough weight to be an excellent base if they landed it, instead of crash it. 

   Didn&#039;t we discuss dropping such probes, that collect heat measurements and seismic activity, &quot;from space&quot; so they can impell themselves at desired locations?  A ribbon of flexible solar panel can keep the metal stake vertical until impact.  Or maybe they should use feathers like an arrow and just protect the solar panel/broadcast instruments inside the hollow tube for protection and perform extraction after impact. 

    Sensitive equipment like temperature, barometer, fish eye lenses, communication capabilities can fit in a wrist watch. A small light unit in a helium mylar balloon with a solar panel top could drift around mars for years collecting data.  In fact, the parachute, If it&#039;s double layered, could be filled with helium after detachment, for this purpose. (I wonder if they filled it before detachment if it would have enough &quot;lift&quot; to slow the descent more effectively?) 
     It would not take much volume from the helium tank, because of the low atmospheric pressure. The canister and the ascent/descend pump would last for year&#039;s before the tank was empty and could be dropped like ballast.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris, I agree.<br />
   A small detachable independent seismograph/ weather station with its own roll out solar panel should be sent with every lander.  The descent rocket that lowers the lander could have this package attached to it? It has enough weight to be an excellent base if they landed it, instead of crash it. </p>
<p>   Didn&#8217;t we discuss dropping such probes, that collect heat measurements and seismic activity, &#8220;from space&#8221; so they can impell themselves at desired locations?  A ribbon of flexible solar panel can keep the metal stake vertical until impact.  Or maybe they should use feathers like an arrow and just protect the solar panel/broadcast instruments inside the hollow tube for protection and perform extraction after impact. </p>
<p>    Sensitive equipment like temperature, barometer, fish eye lenses, communication capabilities can fit in a wrist watch. A small light unit in a helium mylar balloon with a solar panel top could drift around mars for years collecting data.  In fact, the parachute, If it&#8217;s double layered, could be filled with helium after detachment, for this purpose. (I wonder if they filled it before detachment if it would have enough &#8220;lift&#8221; to slow the descent more effectively?)<br />
     It would not take much volume from the helium tank, because of the low atmospheric pressure. The canister and the ascent/descend pump would last for year&#8217;s before the tank was empty and could be dropped like ballast.</p>
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		By: Alex Andrite		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alex Andrite]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2021 02:53:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[OK, nice to attempt to figure out the martian interior structures and stuff.  I get it.  (almost)
How does all of this translate into me shaking on the ground if I where there ?
I know the shake, and following shake/shudders, of Loma Prieta quake of &#039;89 - M6.9.  I was on my commute - S.J. &#062; Santa Cruz at that time.

What does the current Mars InSight info tell me in that regard ?  
Beside that their are no commuter lanes on Mars.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, nice to attempt to figure out the martian interior structures and stuff.  I get it.  (almost)<br />
How does all of this translate into me shaking on the ground if I where there ?<br />
I know the shake, and following shake/shudders, of Loma Prieta quake of &#8217;89 &#8211; M6.9.  I was on my commute &#8211; S.J. &gt; Santa Cruz at that time.</p>
<p>What does the current Mars InSight info tell me in that regard ?<br />
Beside that their are no commuter lanes on Mars.</p>
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		By: Chris		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2021 00:47:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ok.  If not practical- then not prectical]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok.  If not practical- then not prectical</p>
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		By: Robert Zimmerman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert Zimmerman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2021 00:37:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/quakes-on-mars-as-seen-by-insight/#comment-1117261&quot;&gt;Chris&lt;/a&gt;.

Chris: Your idea has merit, but it is likely not practical. A close look at the technical requirements needed to make this seismometer sensitive enough to provide worthwhile data, outlined in today&#039;s talk, makes it clear that the cost to produce a similar instrument on all other landers would likely conflict too much with their other purposes.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/quakes-on-mars-as-seen-by-insight/#comment-1117261">Chris</a>.</p>
<p>Chris: Your idea has merit, but it is likely not practical. A close look at the technical requirements needed to make this seismometer sensitive enough to provide worthwhile data, outlined in today&#8217;s talk, makes it clear that the cost to produce a similar instrument on all other landers would likely conflict too much with their other purposes.</p>
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		By: Chris		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2021 00:31:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not a seismologist but I would think triangulation (3 dimensional) is one of the fundamental tools required to start to understand anything going on on a sphere.  As such I would have expected a requirement of all future probes to be a Mars-quake sensor.  This would of course would start slow but with every new probe a new point would be established. After enough the math and other analysis can help provide the answers - or at least good guesses.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not a seismologist but I would think triangulation (3 dimensional) is one of the fundamental tools required to start to understand anything going on on a sphere.  As such I would have expected a requirement of all future probes to be a Mars-quake sensor.  This would of course would start slow but with every new probe a new point would be established. After enough the math and other analysis can help provide the answers &#8211; or at least good guesses.</p>
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