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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Mar 2024 04:32:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Racism isn&#039;t actually the core problem with DEI, as I have experienced through their training videos at work. It does tend to focus on well-publicized historical grievances, but in that it simply copies the affirmative action of the past. Affirmative action simply sought to use quotas (however disguised) to create certain outcomes. DEI is something else. Its main problem is the focus on grievances based on group identity. It seems to answer its critics by saying that they can claim their share of grievances also. They mention all sort of thing like appearances, sexual preference, height and illnesses to culture as possible markers for oppression.  The problem is that, as any parent knows, people are inclined from very early childhood to look for ways to call out other for being unfair to them. Kids are rightly taught from birth that yes, the world is unfair but yes, you still have to live in it. You will not be able to fix it most of the time. You basically cannot live as a productive human being while believing otherwise.  If you treasure your grievances you will be miserable. The same happens in societies. When each subgroup of a society focuses on the grievances it has against the others, you don&#039;t get a just society. You get places like Somalia or Lebanon.  The one thing the Israelis and the Palestinians have in common is a deep sense of victimhood. The Israelis root theirs in the Holocaust &#038; the Palestinians root theirs in the creation of Israel. The end result is endless violence. If you want to be healthy as an individual or a culture, making grievance a part of your identity is a poor start.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Racism isn&#8217;t actually the core problem with DEI, as I have experienced through their training videos at work. It does tend to focus on well-publicized historical grievances, but in that it simply copies the affirmative action of the past. Affirmative action simply sought to use quotas (however disguised) to create certain outcomes. DEI is something else. Its main problem is the focus on grievances based on group identity. It seems to answer its critics by saying that they can claim their share of grievances also. They mention all sort of thing like appearances, sexual preference, height and illnesses to culture as possible markers for oppression.  The problem is that, as any parent knows, people are inclined from very early childhood to look for ways to call out other for being unfair to them. Kids are rightly taught from birth that yes, the world is unfair but yes, you still have to live in it. You will not be able to fix it most of the time. You basically cannot live as a productive human being while believing otherwise.  If you treasure your grievances you will be miserable. The same happens in societies. When each subgroup of a society focuses on the grievances it has against the others, you don&#8217;t get a just society. You get places like Somalia or Lebanon.  The one thing the Israelis and the Palestinians have in common is a deep sense of victimhood. The Israelis root theirs in the Holocaust &amp; the Palestinians root theirs in the creation of Israel. The end result is endless violence. If you want to be healthy as an individual or a culture, making grievance a part of your identity is a poor start.</p>
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		By: DonLC		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Mar 2024 23:05:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Since my family landed legally in the U.S. in December 1898, I&#039;m pretty sure when the starting-time-of-being-a-slavemaster is accounted for, that I&#039;ll be outside of liability.  Until immigration time doesn&#039;t matter of course.

Some American Indians will be held to account as well, since a few were slave-owners.  But they may be able to be held harmless due to the damage that the Buffalo soldiers did to the Indian psyche.

And of course, whites will be rolling in the dough when we start charging for the ancestral use of white inventions - autos, telephone, computers, internet, electricity, oil, antibiotics, the alphabet.  You know, all those insignificant things that add up to a civilization for everyone, regardless of skin color.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since my family landed legally in the U.S. in December 1898, I&#8217;m pretty sure when the starting-time-of-being-a-slavemaster is accounted for, that I&#8217;ll be outside of liability.  Until immigration time doesn&#8217;t matter of course.</p>
<p>Some American Indians will be held to account as well, since a few were slave-owners.  But they may be able to be held harmless due to the damage that the Buffalo soldiers did to the Indian psyche.</p>
<p>And of course, whites will be rolling in the dough when we start charging for the ancestral use of white inventions &#8211; autos, telephone, computers, internet, electricity, oil, antibiotics, the alphabet.  You know, all those insignificant things that add up to a civilization for everyone, regardless of skin color.</p>
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		By: GeorgeC		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Mar 2024 01:12:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[David Ross, being a bit of a Cornel West fan, I have a copy of that Radical King book.  I have to say great book, but King was about as radical as Thomas Aquinas. I think Robert Zimmerman would like this book. On the other hand the Alex Haley interview of King as published in Playboy can&#039;t be used to prove any very specific point of fact. People can easily find it and download it along with other information about Alex quoting King and Alex quoting Malcolm X.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Ross, being a bit of a Cornel West fan, I have a copy of that Radical King book.  I have to say great book, but King was about as radical as Thomas Aquinas. I think Robert Zimmerman would like this book. On the other hand the Alex Haley interview of King as published in Playboy can&#8217;t be used to prove any very specific point of fact. People can easily find it and download it along with other information about Alex quoting King and Alex quoting Malcolm X.</p>
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		By: Edward		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Mar 2024 04:45:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[“The sins of the fathers can never be forgiven. Endless generations of innocent whites must suffer for those sins!”

It isn&#039;t just the sins of the fathers, but the fathers of some of those whites (most of those whites, actually) did not participate in the sins, so there is no sin in the families of those particular innocent whites.  It is the sins of &lt;em&gt;other people&#039;s fathers, &lt;/em&gt;not of their own fathers, that they are punished for.  How many of these white children are in reality descended from people who fought to &lt;em&gt;end &lt;/em&gt;those sins, perhaps even &lt;em&gt;died &lt;/em&gt; or were maimed in order to end those sins?  Rather than being thanked, their descendants are punished.  

Such ingratitude just goes to show what a poor reward we get for doing good.  No good deed goes unpunished, but we are the generations being punished for our forefathers&#039; (and other people&#039;s forefathers&#039;) good deeds. 

What kind of people punish the innocent, punish the children of the innocent, and punish the rescuers and &lt;em&gt;their &lt;/em&gt;children?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“The sins of the fathers can never be forgiven. Endless generations of innocent whites must suffer for those sins!”</p>
<p>It isn&#8217;t just the sins of the fathers, but the fathers of some of those whites (most of those whites, actually) did not participate in the sins, so there is no sin in the families of those particular innocent whites.  It is the sins of <em>other people&#8217;s fathers, </em>not of their own fathers, that they are punished for.  How many of these white children are in reality descended from people who fought to <em>end </em>those sins, perhaps even <em>died </em> or were maimed in order to end those sins?  Rather than being thanked, their descendants are punished.  </p>
<p>Such ingratitude just goes to show what a poor reward we get for doing good.  No good deed goes unpunished, but we are the generations being punished for our forefathers&#8217; (and other people&#8217;s forefathers&#8217;) good deeds. </p>
<p>What kind of people punish the innocent, punish the children of the innocent, and punish the rescuers and <em>their </em>children?</p>
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		By: James Street		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Mar 2024 17:25:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What&#039;s shocking to me is how quickly and broadly the left has destroyed western civilization:
 
• Using accusations of systemic racism to destroy corporate, government, educational, religious, military institutions
• Using covid to require jabs, and shut down the economy and schools
• Increasing the national debt by $11 trillion dollars in the last 4 years from $23 trillion in 2019 to $34 trillion in 2023
• Destruction of the American educational system
• Corrupting and sexualizing children
• Economic policies that destroy industries
• Increasing number of people dependent on government subsidies
• Millions of unvetted foreigners crossing our borders
 
I see the fingerprints of the Chinese communist party as one of the agents behind this. For decades they&#039;ve studied how to kill the body, mind and spirit of individuals and countries. 
 
This 8 minute video from 2020 is a Chinese speaker telling a Chinese audience in China that &quot;We have people at the top of America&#039;s core inner circle of power and influence&quot;. The audience laughs and applauds:
 
&quot;Tucker Carlson&#039;s Monologue on a Chinese Professor&#039;s Recent Speech Should Terrify You&quot;
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/stacey-lennox/2020/12/08/tucker-carlsons-monologue-on-a-chinese-professors-recent-speech-should-terrify-you-n1197202]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s shocking to me is how quickly and broadly the left has destroyed western civilization:</p>
<p>• Using accusations of systemic racism to destroy corporate, government, educational, religious, military institutions<br />
• Using covid to require jabs, and shut down the economy and schools<br />
• Increasing the national debt by $11 trillion dollars in the last 4 years from $23 trillion in 2019 to $34 trillion in 2023<br />
• Destruction of the American educational system<br />
• Corrupting and sexualizing children<br />
• Economic policies that destroy industries<br />
• Increasing number of people dependent on government subsidies<br />
• Millions of unvetted foreigners crossing our borders</p>
<p>I see the fingerprints of the Chinese communist party as one of the agents behind this. For decades they&#8217;ve studied how to kill the body, mind and spirit of individuals and countries. </p>
<p>This 8 minute video from 2020 is a Chinese speaker telling a Chinese audience in China that &#8220;We have people at the top of America&#8217;s core inner circle of power and influence&#8221;. The audience laughs and applauds:</p>
<p>&#8220;Tucker Carlson&#8217;s Monologue on a Chinese Professor&#8217;s Recent Speech Should Terrify You&#8221;<br />
<a href="https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/stacey-lennox/2020/12/08/tucker-carlsons-monologue-on-a-chinese-professors-recent-speech-should-terrify-you-n1197202" rel="nofollow ugc">https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/stacey-lennox/2020/12/08/tucker-carlsons-monologue-on-a-chinese-professors-recent-speech-should-terrify-you-n1197202</a></p>
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		By: Milt		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Mar 2024 17:14:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[BLSinSc raises a valid concern about merely transferring indoctrinated faculty and staff from one department to another.  Hopefully, the State of Florida has made it very clear that it is the *ideology* of DEI and its divisive consequences that is under attack and not just course nomenclature and titles on the door.  In accomplishing this, however, there is a needle that needs to be threaded, and this involves the process of acknowledging the actual history of this country -- as cruel and unjust as parts of it have been -- with the need for reconciliation and reconstruction.  In short, actually having the &quot;conversation about race&quot; that so many people have been advocating and propitiating, as much as humanly possible, the unquiet ghosts of our past. 
  
As Robert and others have suggested*, identity politics / DEI and Dr. King&#039;s Dream point to radically different ways of perceiving our history and making amends for it, and central to the former philosophy is the idea is that no such reconciliation is truly possible or even desirable.   Instead, in this view, our country must remain forever divided along the fissures of race, ethnicity, and gender, and -- beyond these attributes -- human beings have so little in common (or believe in so few of the same fundamental things) that they cannot even share their perceptions and expectations about life with people who are different from themselves.  Leading, inevitably, in Hobbes&#039; view, to antagonistic factions and an eternal &quot;war of all against all.&quot;      

* https://www.washingtonpost.com/books/2023/09/27/identity-trap-yascha-mounk-review/

Dr. King, on the other hand, called upon people to acknowledge their shared humanity and to go forward together on the basis of that, however difficult the journey together might be.  Again, two radically different concepts about the nature of human beings and what is 
possible for them to achieve in terms of what kind of societies might exist and how they can be governed**.  The State of Florida would seem to be placing its bet on the concept that Dr. King&#039;s approach is workable and that people have enough in common to overcome their superficial differences.   We shall see.  (Implicit in this is also the idea of a *shared culture* in which everyone can fully participate
as citizens and stake holders.  Under DEI, no such common American culture is conceivable, let alone desirable, leaving the arena wide open for the totalitarians to swoop in and impose their Leviathan form of order.)  

**That we have &quot;the freedom to choose&quot; in such matters is at the core of Mr. Zimmerman&#039;s book, Conscious Choice. 
 
PS -- As Robert observes, &quot;when whites get hurt unfairly merely because of their skin color this proves [to some]that racial justice has been achieved.&quot;  No, two wrongs *do not* make a right, but sometimes experience does make the best teacher.  Walking a mile in someone else&#039;s shoes -- especially a painful and frustrating mile -- can do wonders for opening eyes and changing hearts, if those involved in the exercise are so moved.  Indeed, Mr. Trump&#039;s trials and tribulations at the hands of the Biden Administration&#039;s lawfare assault would seem to be finding resonance among those whose historical experience (Jim Crow and other legal subterfuges) includes just such tactics.  He, they believe, &quot;gets it,&quot; and wrong is wrong, whatever one&#039;s complexion.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BLSinSc raises a valid concern about merely transferring indoctrinated faculty and staff from one department to another.  Hopefully, the State of Florida has made it very clear that it is the *ideology* of DEI and its divisive consequences that is under attack and not just course nomenclature and titles on the door.  In accomplishing this, however, there is a needle that needs to be threaded, and this involves the process of acknowledging the actual history of this country &#8212; as cruel and unjust as parts of it have been &#8212; with the need for reconciliation and reconstruction.  In short, actually having the &#8220;conversation about race&#8221; that so many people have been advocating and propitiating, as much as humanly possible, the unquiet ghosts of our past. </p>
<p>As Robert and others have suggested*, identity politics / DEI and Dr. King&#8217;s Dream point to radically different ways of perceiving our history and making amends for it, and central to the former philosophy is the idea is that no such reconciliation is truly possible or even desirable.   Instead, in this view, our country must remain forever divided along the fissures of race, ethnicity, and gender, and &#8212; beyond these attributes &#8212; human beings have so little in common (or believe in so few of the same fundamental things) that they cannot even share their perceptions and expectations about life with people who are different from themselves.  Leading, inevitably, in Hobbes&#8217; view, to antagonistic factions and an eternal &#8220;war of all against all.&#8221;      </p>
<p>* <a href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/books/2023/09/27/identity-trap-yascha-mounk-review/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.washingtonpost.com/books/2023/09/27/identity-trap-yascha-mounk-review/</a></p>
<p>Dr. King, on the other hand, called upon people to acknowledge their shared humanity and to go forward together on the basis of that, however difficult the journey together might be.  Again, two radically different concepts about the nature of human beings and what is<br />
possible for them to achieve in terms of what kind of societies might exist and how they can be governed**.  The State of Florida would seem to be placing its bet on the concept that Dr. King&#8217;s approach is workable and that people have enough in common to overcome their superficial differences.   We shall see.  (Implicit in this is also the idea of a *shared culture* in which everyone can fully participate<br />
as citizens and stake holders.  Under DEI, no such common American culture is conceivable, let alone desirable, leaving the arena wide open for the totalitarians to swoop in and impose their Leviathan form of order.)  </p>
<p>**That we have &#8220;the freedom to choose&#8221; in such matters is at the core of Mr. Zimmerman&#8217;s book, Conscious Choice. </p>
<p>PS &#8212; As Robert observes, &#8220;when whites get hurt unfairly merely because of their skin color this proves [to some]that racial justice has been achieved.&#8221;  No, two wrongs *do not* make a right, but sometimes experience does make the best teacher.  Walking a mile in someone else&#8217;s shoes &#8212; especially a painful and frustrating mile &#8212; can do wonders for opening eyes and changing hearts, if those involved in the exercise are so moved.  Indeed, Mr. Trump&#8217;s trials and tribulations at the hands of the Biden Administration&#8217;s lawfare assault would seem to be finding resonance among those whose historical experience (Jim Crow and other legal subterfuges) includes just such tactics.  He, they believe, &#8220;gets it,&#8221; and wrong is wrong, whatever one&#8217;s complexion.</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Mar 2024 14:40:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As for those &quot;positions&quot; eliminated - where will those PEOPLE end up in the University??  I read an article about this and those people are being considered for OTHER positions within the University!  So, they may have to give up their &quot;titles&quot;, but might just be put into positions where their IDEOLOGY can live on!  It would behoove the Legislature to require info on the former &quot;dei&#039;s&quot; new positions and activities!!  Remember - a DEMOcrat invented the &quot;depends on what the meaning of IS is&quot;!!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As for those &#8220;positions&#8221; eliminated &#8211; where will those PEOPLE end up in the University??  I read an article about this and those people are being considered for OTHER positions within the University!  So, they may have to give up their &#8220;titles&#8221;, but might just be put into positions where their IDEOLOGY can live on!  It would behoove the Legislature to require info on the former &#8220;dei&#8217;s&#8221; new positions and activities!!  Remember &#8211; a DEMOcrat invented the &#8220;depends on what the meaning of IS is&#8221;!!</p>
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		By: Robert Zimmerman		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Mar 2024 02:57:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/real-pushback-faced-with-a-legal-requirement-to-end-its-dei-programs-university-of-florida-shuts-them-down/#comment-1449954&quot;&gt;David Ross&lt;/a&gt;.

David Ross: I have not read those books, so I admit to some ignorance. I also know that the power structure for spreading the poison of critical race theory came out of these identity-based university departments. King was certainly not perfect, but the words of his greatest most important speech are what people remember most about him. That the ideas he expressed in that speech are now rejected and in fact hated by the black academia community makes it important to reference his work now.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/real-pushback-faced-with-a-legal-requirement-to-end-its-dei-programs-university-of-florida-shuts-them-down/#comment-1449954">David Ross</a>.</p>
<p>David Ross: I have not read those books, so I admit to some ignorance. I also know that the power structure for spreading the poison of critical race theory came out of these identity-based university departments. King was certainly not perfect, but the words of his greatest most important speech are what people remember most about him. That the ideas he expressed in that speech are now rejected and in fact hated by the black academia community makes it important to reference his work now.</p>
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		By: David Ross		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Mar 2024 02:24:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Question for our host: have you read &lt;a href=&#039;https://www.zinnedproject.org/materials/the-radical-king/&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;The Radical King&lt;/a&gt;?
Do you have any plans to?
... how about Richard Hanania, &quot;The Origins of Woke&quot;?
The Playboy 1965 interview where King says that Whites can&#039;t be forgiven?

... conservatives, I suppose, have the right to claim that King was some kind of color-blind libertarian, but they&#039;re... well, they&#039;re not taken seriously when they do.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Question for our host: have you read <a href='https://www.zinnedproject.org/materials/the-radical-king/' rel="nofollow ugc">The Radical King</a>?<br />
Do you have any plans to?<br />
&#8230; how about Richard Hanania, &#8220;The Origins of Woke&#8221;?<br />
The Playboy 1965 interview where King says that Whites can&#8217;t be forgiven?</p>
<p>&#8230; conservatives, I suppose, have the right to claim that King was some kind of color-blind libertarian, but they&#8217;re&#8230; well, they&#8217;re not taken seriously when they do.</p>
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