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		By: ruralcounsel		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ruralcounsel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Aug 2023 15:00:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Curtis, this isn&#039;t a First Amendment issue, it&#039;s a 14th Amendment issue that prohibits discrimination of protected classes. One of those classes is based on religion religion.  And it applies to any business.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Curtis, this isn&#8217;t a First Amendment issue, it&#8217;s a 14th Amendment issue that prohibits discrimination of protected classes. One of those classes is based on religion religion.  And it applies to any business.</p>
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		By: Robert Zimmerman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert Zimmerman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Aug 2023 23:40:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/real-pushback-judge-slams-southwest-airlines-for-violating-settlement-terms-of-free-speech-court-case/#comment-1423466&quot;&gt;Edward&lt;/a&gt;.

Edward: I would definitely be interested in what you were originally thinking. Too bad it has gone the way of most early morning dreams.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/real-pushback-judge-slams-southwest-airlines-for-violating-settlement-terms-of-free-speech-court-case/#comment-1423466">Edward</a>.</p>
<p>Edward: I would definitely be interested in what you were originally thinking. Too bad it has gone the way of most early morning dreams.</p>
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		By: Edward		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Edward]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Aug 2023 23:32:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Robert Zimmerman, 
You wrote: &quot;&lt;em&gt;I am not sure where you disagree with me, since my following sentences essentially agree with your comment.&lt;/em&gt;&quot; 

Hmm.  I think you are right.  It seems that I merely recommended an alternate solution to the problem.  Apparently, I had something else on my mind when I started writing and switched over to the different solution.  Or maybe I just didn&#039;t disagree at all, but I recall thinking at the time that what I wanted to say was different than what you said.  

Well, some days just go better than others.  That was not one of those days.  

Now, if only I could remember what it was that I was thinking...  Huh.  Maybe today is also not one of those days.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert Zimmerman,<br />
You wrote: &#8220;<em>I am not sure where you disagree with me, since my following sentences essentially agree with your comment.</em>&#8221; </p>
<p>Hmm.  I think you are right.  It seems that I merely recommended an alternate solution to the problem.  Apparently, I had something else on my mind when I started writing and switched over to the different solution.  Or maybe I just didn&#8217;t disagree at all, but I recall thinking at the time that what I wanted to say was different than what you said.  </p>
<p>Well, some days just go better than others.  That was not one of those days.  </p>
<p>Now, if only I could remember what it was that I was thinking&#8230;  Huh.  Maybe today is also not one of those days.</p>
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		By: Phelps		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Phelps]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Aug 2023 16:15:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As Popehat said back when he was sane, &quot;Federal judges always really mean it.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As Popehat said back when he was sane, &#8220;Federal judges always really mean it.&#8221;</p>
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		By: askeptik		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[askeptik]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Aug 2023 15:56:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The only thing that Corp&#039;s heed is the cash-flow.
The judge should have (if he could) just added three zero&#039;s to the award, and told Ms. Carter to go forth and enjoy her life.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only thing that Corp&#8217;s heed is the cash-flow.<br />
The judge should have (if he could) just added three zero&#8217;s to the award, and told Ms. Carter to go forth and enjoy her life.</p>
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		By: Curtis		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Curtis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Aug 2023 08:20:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I really hate to disagree with you and the good judge but the Constitution is pretty clear on this: 
 First Amendment

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Any company, any corporation is perfectly legal in restricting its employee&#039;s freedom of speech. The only entity that is bound by the constitution is the government. If I was an employer the very last thing I&#039;d want or tolerate is some zealot riling up everybody with THEIR beliefs or opinions. Shut up and do your job.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really hate to disagree with you and the good judge but the Constitution is pretty clear on this:<br />
 First Amendment</p>
<p>Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.</p>
<p>Any company, any corporation is perfectly legal in restricting its employee&#8217;s freedom of speech. The only entity that is bound by the constitution is the government. If I was an employer the very last thing I&#8217;d want or tolerate is some zealot riling up everybody with THEIR beliefs or opinions. Shut up and do your job.</p>
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		By: Linda S Fox		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Linda S Fox]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Aug 2023 14:34:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m a health insurance agent. We have to attend training on ethics and compliance, and take a test - and, repeat that training and testing annually.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a health insurance agent. We have to attend training on ethics and compliance, and take a test &#8211; and, repeat that training and testing annually.</p>
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		By: Texannie		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Texannie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Aug 2023 12:43:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I wonder if Kelleher would have approved of SWA&#039;s behavior?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if Kelleher would have approved of SWA&#8217;s behavior?</p>
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		By: Robert Zimmerman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert Zimmerman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Aug 2023 23:25:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/real-pushback-judge-slams-southwest-airlines-for-violating-settlement-terms-of-free-speech-court-case/#comment-1423074&quot;&gt;Edward&lt;/a&gt;.

Edward: I am not sure where you disagree with me, since my following sentences essentially agree with your comment.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/real-pushback-judge-slams-southwest-airlines-for-violating-settlement-terms-of-free-speech-court-case/#comment-1423074">Edward</a>.</p>
<p>Edward: I am not sure where you disagree with me, since my following sentences essentially agree with your comment.</p>
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		By: Edward		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Edward]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Aug 2023 23:20:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Robert asked: &quot;&lt;em&gt;Will these classes change anything? Hardly.&lt;/em&gt;&quot; I disagree with Robert&#039;s reason.  

A single class will not change anything.  It does not have the necessary oomph or staying power.  

When Lockheed was caught in a bribery scandal, half a century ago, the solution was not to send the culprits to a single class but to require that every employee in the corporation take annual classes in ethics.  These have since evolved (devolved?) into Wokism classes, but the point is that the solution was seen as requiring repeated, continual ethics training for everyone, not just managers or supervisors.  Keep ethics at the top of the priority list throughout the entire corporation, not just the sales force or the management.  

In this case, the case of Southwest Airlines, it is a one-and-done deal that allows even the class attendees to quickly forget the importance of ethical behavior.  Maybe they will remember next year, but probably not -- it isn&#039;t important to them.  To the judge, it may have been important, but not to these immoral, unethical, shameless, unrepentant, unremorseful bawds.  Even if the lesson sticks for these individuals, when they are replaced (attrition, promotion, retirement, whatever), their replacements will know nothing of ethics, either.  

The reason that we have this plague of unethical treatment is that ethics has stopped being one of the values that the Democratic Party treasures.  Instead, they behave like three-year-olds and demand everything that they want, and they want it &lt;em&gt;now!&lt;/em&gt;  Like Veruca in &lt;em&gt;Charlie and the Chocolate Factory.&lt;/em&gt;  

I suspect that it all started at Chappaquiddick, when saving the career of a favored Democrat Senator became more important than a young woman&#039;s life or than justice.  They got away with it then, and they got away with worse over the decades.  Now, the Democrats are willing to sacrifice virtually everything and everyone in order to lord themselves over the population.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert asked: &#8220;<em>Will these classes change anything? Hardly.</em>&#8221; I disagree with Robert&#8217;s reason.  </p>
<p>A single class will not change anything.  It does not have the necessary oomph or staying power.  </p>
<p>When Lockheed was caught in a bribery scandal, half a century ago, the solution was not to send the culprits to a single class but to require that every employee in the corporation take annual classes in ethics.  These have since evolved (devolved?) into Wokism classes, but the point is that the solution was seen as requiring repeated, continual ethics training for everyone, not just managers or supervisors.  Keep ethics at the top of the priority list throughout the entire corporation, not just the sales force or the management.  </p>
<p>In this case, the case of Southwest Airlines, it is a one-and-done deal that allows even the class attendees to quickly forget the importance of ethical behavior.  Maybe they will remember next year, but probably not &#8212; it isn&#8217;t important to them.  To the judge, it may have been important, but not to these immoral, unethical, shameless, unrepentant, unremorseful bawds.  Even if the lesson sticks for these individuals, when they are replaced (attrition, promotion, retirement, whatever), their replacements will know nothing of ethics, either.  </p>
<p>The reason that we have this plague of unethical treatment is that ethics has stopped being one of the values that the Democratic Party treasures.  Instead, they behave like three-year-olds and demand everything that they want, and they want it <em>now!</em>  Like Veruca in <em>Charlie and the Chocolate Factory.</em>  </p>
<p>I suspect that it all started at Chappaquiddick, when saving the career of a favored Democrat Senator became more important than a young woman&#8217;s life or than justice.  They got away with it then, and they got away with worse over the decades.  Now, the Democrats are willing to sacrifice virtually everything and everyone in order to lord themselves over the population.</p>
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