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		By: Star Bird		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Star Bird]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Mar 2023 22:20:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Have   you ever seen the effects of Liquid Oxigen  on a   flower? They shatter to teensie weensie peiees]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have   you ever seen the effects of Liquid Oxigen  on a   flower? They shatter to teensie weensie peiees</p>
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		By: Frank Solomon		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Frank Solomon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Mar 2023 18:31:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[When I first saw the headline here @ BtB, I wondered about the nitrogen itself. All this looks like a great idea, but it would need constant nitrogen resupply from Earth, which would become a horrible expense. Then I read the embedded Science Direct article. Fortunately, it mentioned

&quot; . . . Further, full recycling of all system consumables is possible if gaseous air is liquified using a cryocooler on the lunar surface, ideally aided by the low temperatures in shadowed regions . . .&quot;

so in theory, this won&#039;t become a problem. After installation, the system would only need some start-up air, energy (sunlight -&#062; electricity), and maintenance.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I first saw the headline here @ BtB, I wondered about the nitrogen itself. All this looks like a great idea, but it would need constant nitrogen resupply from Earth, which would become a horrible expense. Then I read the embedded Science Direct article. Fortunately, it mentioned</p>
<p>&#8221; . . . Further, full recycling of all system consumables is possible if gaseous air is liquified using a cryocooler on the lunar surface, ideally aided by the low temperatures in shadowed regions . . .&#8221;</p>
<p>so in theory, this won&#8217;t become a problem. After installation, the system would only need some start-up air, energy (sunlight -&gt; electricity), and maintenance.</p>
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		By: Edward		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Edward]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Mar 2023 07:22:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Some decades ago, a family friend worked in a university laboratory that used liquid nitrogen.  When my father and I visited him in his lab, he showed us a trick, or rather phenomenon, in which he poured some liquid nitrogen from a dewar and the LN turned into droplets that skittered around the floor picking up dust and carrying it away to wherever the LN skittered to before it finally evaporated away.  

From the Paper&#039;s Introduction: 
&lt;blockquote&gt;Cryogenic liquids harness film boiling which aids in the removal of dust and improves upon previous fluidal mitigation methods [[14], [15], [16]]. The precise mechanisms of interaction between the liquid nitrogen, fabric surface, and dust grains have not been determined. However, liquid nitrogen has been observed to encapsulate and then transport solids during film boiling. This coupled with the rapid expansion of gas during liquid boiloff, which may result in liftoff of dust grains, is anticipated to explain the high levels of removal.  Liquid nitrogen sprays have demonstrated 97.0% removal in a terrestrial environment, independent of cleaning surface and &#062;90% cleaning in a vacuum environment in less than 1 s [15].&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some decades ago, a family friend worked in a university laboratory that used liquid nitrogen.  When my father and I visited him in his lab, he showed us a trick, or rather phenomenon, in which he poured some liquid nitrogen from a dewar and the LN turned into droplets that skittered around the floor picking up dust and carrying it away to wherever the LN skittered to before it finally evaporated away.  </p>
<p>From the Paper&#8217;s Introduction: </p>
<blockquote><p>Cryogenic liquids harness film boiling which aids in the removal of dust and improves upon previous fluidal mitigation methods [[14], [15], [16]]. The precise mechanisms of interaction between the liquid nitrogen, fabric surface, and dust grains have not been determined. However, liquid nitrogen has been observed to encapsulate and then transport solids during film boiling. This coupled with the rapid expansion of gas during liquid boiloff, which may result in liftoff of dust grains, is anticipated to explain the high levels of removal.  Liquid nitrogen sprays have demonstrated 97.0% removal in a terrestrial environment, independent of cleaning surface and &gt;90% cleaning in a vacuum environment in less than 1 s [15].</p></blockquote>
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		By: Robert Zimmerman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert Zimmerman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Mar 2023 07:07:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/researchers-develop-liquid-nitrogen-spray-that-removes-lunar-dust/#comment-1398308&quot;&gt;John Jossy&lt;/a&gt;.

John Jossy: Thank you. I missed this story. With two different methods the possibilities of solving this difficult problem increase enormously.

We must remember that merely cleaning gear is not enough. There must also be a system to keep the dust from entering habitats when people go in and out. It must be possible to clean the airlocks, and do it before the occupants enter the main interior.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/researchers-develop-liquid-nitrogen-spray-that-removes-lunar-dust/#comment-1398308">John Jossy</a>.</p>
<p>John Jossy: Thank you. I missed this story. With two different methods the possibilities of solving this difficult problem increase enormously.</p>
<p>We must remember that merely cleaning gear is not enough. There must also be a system to keep the dust from entering habitats when people go in and out. It must be possible to clean the airlocks, and do it before the occupants enter the main interior.</p>
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		By: John Jossy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Mar 2023 05:46:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Actually, electron beam treatment may be another method and has been studied although more research is definitely needed: https://spacesettlementprogress.com/tired-of-messy-lunar-dust-take-an-electron-beam-shower/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, electron beam treatment may be another method and has been studied although more research is definitely needed: <a href="https://spacesettlementprogress.com/tired-of-messy-lunar-dust-take-an-electron-beam-shower/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://spacesettlementprogress.com/tired-of-messy-lunar-dust-take-an-electron-beam-shower/</a></p>
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		By: Robert Zimmerman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert Zimmerman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Mar 2023 16:50:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/researchers-develop-liquid-nitrogen-spray-that-removes-lunar-dust/#comment-1398241&quot;&gt;Andi&lt;/a&gt;.

Andi: The first is what I thought I had typed. Now fixed. Thank you.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/researchers-develop-liquid-nitrogen-spray-that-removes-lunar-dust/#comment-1398241">Andi</a>.</p>
<p>Andi: The first is what I thought I had typed. Now fixed. Thank you.</p>
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		By: Andi		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Mar 2023 16:46:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sorry, meant second-from-last paragraph]]></description>
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		By: Andi		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Mar 2023 16:44:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Suggestion for last sentence of second paragraph:

“… the dust could cause serious health issues”

or

“… the astronauts could face serious health issues”]]></description>
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<p>“… the dust could cause serious health issues”</p>
<p>or</p>
<p>“… the astronauts could face serious health issues”</p>
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