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		By: Calvin Dodge		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Calvin Dodge]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2023 05:15:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;It&#039;s ice, Jim, but not as we know it.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It&#8217;s ice, Jim, but not as we know it.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Chris Hall		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris Hall]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2023 15:12:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This type of ice appears to be the reverse of the behavior we saw in liquid cloud water (i.e., fog).

Hall, Chris M., et al. &quot;Anomalous noble gas solubility in liquid cloud water: Possible implications for noble gas temperatures and cloud physics.&quot; Water Resources Research 57.12 (2021): e2020WR029306.

Fog seems to act as if it is liquid inside, but has a coating of an ice-like structure. This was found because of the strange differences in the solubilities of the different noble gases. We speculated that the &quot;skin&quot; of ice-like structure is formed because of the difference in density between the two states of water, combined with the large pressure gradient induced by surface tension. This might cause ice-like domains to &quot;float&quot; to the surface of fog particles.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This type of ice appears to be the reverse of the behavior we saw in liquid cloud water (i.e., fog).</p>
<p>Hall, Chris M., et al. &#8220;Anomalous noble gas solubility in liquid cloud water: Possible implications for noble gas temperatures and cloud physics.&#8221; Water Resources Research 57.12 (2021): e2020WR029306.</p>
<p>Fog seems to act as if it is liquid inside, but has a coating of an ice-like structure. This was found because of the strange differences in the solubilities of the different noble gases. We speculated that the &#8220;skin&#8221; of ice-like structure is formed because of the difference in density between the two states of water, combined with the large pressure gradient induced by surface tension. This might cause ice-like domains to &#8220;float&#8221; to the surface of fog particles.</p>
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		By: Chris		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2023 14:07:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Lots of links Jeff - thanks]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lots of links Jeff &#8211; thanks</p>
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		By: Jeff Wright		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Wright]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2023 17:50:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There actually is an ice-9---but it isn&#039;t Kurt&#039;s
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_IX

Sodium Acetate is the closest I&#039;ve seen in terms of a tiny bit solidifying its neighbor materials

Ice-7 is interesting
https://arstechnica.com/science/2018/10/weird-water-phase-ice-vii-can-grow-as-fast-as-1000-miles-per-hour/

Dark Matter may be like ICE-9
https://www.livescience.com/dark-matter-multiplies-cosmic-ice-9
https://engineeringandbeyond.wordpress.com/tag/ice-nine/
https://www.askamathematician.com/2012/11/q-could-kurt-vonegets-ice-9-catastrophy-happen/

Polymers can do wonders
https://phys.org/news/2018-10-vouching-vonnegut-polymer-room-temperature.html
http://www.technovelgy.com/ct/content.asp?Bnum=415

Bacteria&#039;s version
https://scienceblogs.com/deanscorner/2012/02/19/bacterial-ice-9
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/1074552195900748

I think there was a drug that could flip the handededness of a similar substance

/
https://slate.com/technology/2013/11/polywater-history-and-science-mistakes-the-u-s-and-ussr-raced-to-create-a-new-form-of-water.html

I think]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There actually is an ice-9&#8212;but it isn&#8217;t Kurt&#8217;s<br />
<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_IX" rel="nofollow ugc">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_IX</a></p>
<p>Sodium Acetate is the closest I&#8217;ve seen in terms of a tiny bit solidifying its neighbor materials</p>
<p>Ice-7 is interesting<br />
<a href="https://arstechnica.com/science/2018/10/weird-water-phase-ice-vii-can-grow-as-fast-as-1000-miles-per-hour/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://arstechnica.com/science/2018/10/weird-water-phase-ice-vii-can-grow-as-fast-as-1000-miles-per-hour/</a></p>
<p>Dark Matter may be like ICE-9<br />
<a href="https://www.livescience.com/dark-matter-multiplies-cosmic-ice-9" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.livescience.com/dark-matter-multiplies-cosmic-ice-9</a><br />
<a href="https://engineeringandbeyond.wordpress.com/tag/ice-nine/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://engineeringandbeyond.wordpress.com/tag/ice-nine/</a><br />
<a href="https://www.askamathematician.com/2012/11/q-could-kurt-vonegets-ice-9-catastrophy-happen/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.askamathematician.com/2012/11/q-could-kurt-vonegets-ice-9-catastrophy-happen/</a></p>
<p>Polymers can do wonders<br />
<a href="https://phys.org/news/2018-10-vouching-vonnegut-polymer-room-temperature.html" rel="nofollow ugc">https://phys.org/news/2018-10-vouching-vonnegut-polymer-room-temperature.html</a><br />
<a href="http://www.technovelgy.com/ct/content.asp?Bnum=415" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.technovelgy.com/ct/content.asp?Bnum=415</a></p>
<p>Bacteria&#8217;s version<br />
<a href="https://scienceblogs.com/deanscorner/2012/02/19/bacterial-ice-9" rel="nofollow ugc">https://scienceblogs.com/deanscorner/2012/02/19/bacterial-ice-9</a><br />
<a href="https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/1074552195900748" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/1074552195900748</a></p>
<p>I think there was a drug that could flip the handededness of a similar substance</p>
<p>/<br />
<a href="https://slate.com/technology/2013/11/polywater-history-and-science-mistakes-the-u-s-and-ussr-raced-to-create-a-new-form-of-water.html" rel="nofollow ugc">https://slate.com/technology/2013/11/polywater-history-and-science-mistakes-the-u-s-and-ussr-raced-to-create-a-new-form-of-water.html</a></p>
<p>I think</p>
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		By: Chris		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2023 15:49:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I hope it&#039;s not ICE-NINE]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope it&#8217;s not ICE-NINE</p>
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		By: Alex Andrite		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alex Andrite]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2023 02:19:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Phase diagrams might tell us more.  Solid, liquid, gas in this case.  Something else awaits ?
Such as &#039;cubic zircon&#039; did.
Just wondering.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phase diagrams might tell us more.  Solid, liquid, gas in this case.  Something else awaits ?<br />
Such as &#8216;cubic zircon&#8217; did.<br />
Just wondering.</p>
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