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		By: Max		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Max]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2018 06:50:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[They used only &quot;three&quot; areas of sampling with this new Hooksey method of determining water temperature by sampling the carbon dioxide and Oxygen present in the water. There are far too many variables of cause-and-effect to come close to getting the temperature right.  A 60% error margin?  The smartest people in China, England, United States and Europe, Who reviewed the findings, all missed this? Inconceivable… I smell an agenda that bet that they could get away with it. Now no one wants to be left holding the back of crap they created. 

&quot;The study is still the first to confirm that the ocean is warming using a method independent of direct ocean temperature measurements.&quot;

    It&#039;s like determining if the turkey in the oven is done by how good it smells. Sure, the smell of burning flesh is distinctive and you know that it is too hot. But it takes a temperature probe below the surface of the skin to determine if it&#039;s cooked all the way through to the inside. 
    Satellites can only probe surface and give accurate measurements of the daily and seasonal changes. It takes an actual temperature thermometer to determine ocean temperature at deeper depth. Which is fairly stable and unchanging below 100 m / 300 feet, over 80% of the ocean.
    The temperature of the deep ocean is a -3.5 Celsius, below freezing temperature freshwater. (if the cold water below a 2000 ft depth was circulated to the surface, fresh water of humidity condensation could be collected cheaply to provide drinking water for citys)
     Another way to monitor ocean temperature is the volume it expands when heated. If the ocean was to rise 1° in temperature, costal  areas/all of Florida would be underwater. 
    Water is always a method of cooing, it is the most common cooling medium that we know of.  In the atmosphere, water vapor can act as a blanket slowing down heat loss, pre-venting longwave radiation from escaping into space.  It is never a source of heat, nor generates heat. The arrival of a storm always coincides with the loss of temperature.  
   In other words, ocean evaporation cools the planet. It does not absorb the heat so much as it removes the heat by evaporation, rises from the ocean and forms clouds which prevents more heat from reaching the ground as a &quot;feedback loop&quot;. The more the ocean heats up, the more heat is prevented from reaching the ground...  Everywhere.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They used only &#8220;three&#8221; areas of sampling with this new Hooksey method of determining water temperature by sampling the carbon dioxide and Oxygen present in the water. There are far too many variables of cause-and-effect to come close to getting the temperature right.  A 60% error margin?  The smartest people in China, England, United States and Europe, Who reviewed the findings, all missed this? Inconceivable… I smell an agenda that bet that they could get away with it. Now no one wants to be left holding the back of crap they created. </p>
<p>&#8220;The study is still the first to confirm that the ocean is warming using a method independent of direct ocean temperature measurements.&#8221;</p>
<p>    It&#8217;s like determining if the turkey in the oven is done by how good it smells. Sure, the smell of burning flesh is distinctive and you know that it is too hot. But it takes a temperature probe below the surface of the skin to determine if it&#8217;s cooked all the way through to the inside.<br />
    Satellites can only probe surface and give accurate measurements of the daily and seasonal changes. It takes an actual temperature thermometer to determine ocean temperature at deeper depth. Which is fairly stable and unchanging below 100 m / 300 feet, over 80% of the ocean.<br />
    The temperature of the deep ocean is a -3.5 Celsius, below freezing temperature freshwater. (if the cold water below a 2000 ft depth was circulated to the surface, fresh water of humidity condensation could be collected cheaply to provide drinking water for citys)<br />
     Another way to monitor ocean temperature is the volume it expands when heated. If the ocean was to rise 1° in temperature, costal  areas/all of Florida would be underwater.<br />
    Water is always a method of cooing, it is the most common cooling medium that we know of.  In the atmosphere, water vapor can act as a blanket slowing down heat loss, pre-venting longwave radiation from escaping into space.  It is never a source of heat, nor generates heat. The arrival of a storm always coincides with the loss of temperature.<br />
   In other words, ocean evaporation cools the planet. It does not absorb the heat so much as it removes the heat by evaporation, rises from the ocean and forms clouds which prevents more heat from reaching the ground as a &#8220;feedback loop&#8221;. The more the ocean heats up, the more heat is prevented from reaching the ground&#8230;  Everywhere.</p>
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		By: Steve H.		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve H.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2018 02:04:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well said Mr. Zimmerman! May I add that it is essential for scientists to willingly chuck thier own pet theory out the window when the data/observations run against it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said Mr. Zimmerman! May I add that it is essential for scientists to willingly chuck thier own pet theory out the window when the data/observations run against it.</p>
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		By: eddie willers		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[eddie willers]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2018 20:43:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I wish Richard Feynman was still alive.

He shut down this climate change foolishness in one paragraph.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish Richard Feynman was still alive.</p>
<p>He shut down this climate change foolishness in one paragraph.</p>
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		By: Robert Zimmerman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert Zimmerman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2018 15:29:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/scientists-admit-to-many-errors-in-ocean-warming-paper/#comment-1061357&quot;&gt;Chris&lt;/a&gt;.

Chris: The essence of science and western civilization is the willingness, nay the outright eagerness, to say, &quot;We don&#039;t know.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/scientists-admit-to-many-errors-in-ocean-warming-paper/#comment-1061357">Chris</a>.</p>
<p>Chris: The essence of science and western civilization is the willingness, nay the outright eagerness, to say, &#8220;We don&#8217;t know.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Chris		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2018 12:12:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The problem with many of these scientists is their egos will not let them say: “We don’t know”]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with many of these scientists is their egos will not let them say: “We don’t know”</p>
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		By: wayne		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[wayne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2018 05:11:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[They will never give up on carbon dioxide, if they do they&#039;ll have to admit that water-vapor is the predominate factor in play.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They will never give up on carbon dioxide, if they do they&#8217;ll have to admit that water-vapor is the predominate factor in play.</p>
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		By: commodude		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[commodude]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2018 04:41:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wodun, they didn&#039;t admit they were wrong until called out on errors by a mathematician. My daughter is planning on going into oceanography/marine sciences, and I had sent her a different article on the same paper, was going to send it to Bob but he beat me to the punch. 

The article I emailed my daughter is here:

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/environment/sd-me-climate-study-error-20181113-story.html

As I told my daughter, I can get better accuracy (60% range of probability in the study) with a blindfold and a dartboard.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wodun, they didn&#8217;t admit they were wrong until called out on errors by a mathematician. My daughter is planning on going into oceanography/marine sciences, and I had sent her a different article on the same paper, was going to send it to Bob but he beat me to the punch. </p>
<p>The article I emailed my daughter is here:</p>
<p><a href="https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/environment/sd-me-climate-study-error-20181113-story.html" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/environment/sd-me-climate-study-error-20181113-story.html</a></p>
<p>As I told my daughter, I can get better accuracy (60% range of probability in the study) with a blindfold and a dartboard.</p>
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		By: Phill O		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Phill O]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2018 00:02:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The earth is a net exporter of energy.  Of course their slanted research got the wrong conclusions.  Never trusted Nature since they published work from an old supervisor of mine.  (Luckily only had him for a couple of months.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The earth is a net exporter of energy.  Of course their slanted research got the wrong conclusions.  Never trusted Nature since they published work from an old supervisor of mine.  (Luckily only had him for a couple of months.)</p>
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		By: Cotour		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cotour]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2018 23:46:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If ignorance is bliss

There should be more happy people.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If ignorance is bliss</p>
<p>There should be more happy people.</p>
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		By: wodun		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[wodun]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2018 23:41:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;Link Here&quot;&gt;The truth is that maybe the climate field should take a step back and reconsider its entire assumptions about carbon dioxide and global warming.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I don&#039;t follow this stuff super close but it is promising that they admitted they were wrong and changed their conclusions. I have not heard of of this happening before in climate science.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote cite="Link Here"><p>The truth is that maybe the climate field should take a step back and reconsider its entire assumptions about carbon dioxide and global warming.</p></blockquote>
<p>I don&#8217;t follow this stuff super close but it is promising that they admitted they were wrong and changed their conclusions. I have not heard of of this happening before in climate science.</p>
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