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		By: Edward		</title>
		<link>https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/september-5-2023-quick-space-links/#comment-1426776</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Edward]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Sep 2023 23:02:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ray Van Dune wrote: &quot;&lt;em&gt;This is also exactly how they &#039;prove&#039; that Dark Matter exists!&lt;/em&gt;&quot; 

Pretty close, but the words that I have heard are closer to: &#039;We can&#039;t find any other explanation, so it must be true.&#039;  

Your example reminds me of a time when a company I was on the Board of Directors of had floated some bonds in order to do seismic upgrades to the buildings.  The bank underwriting the bond only allowed us 80% of the bond money raised, and the other 20% was held in something resembling escrow, just in case we were unable to repay the bonds, so that the bond holders would still get something back.  Thus, while the stated interest rate was one value, the &lt;em&gt;real &lt;/em&gt;interest rate was somewhat higher (would have been 25% higher, but the &quot;escrow&quot; paid some amount of interest).  

I think I have a slight idea of how the universe must be feeling, if it can only use 15% of its actual matter.  What a waste of 85%.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ray Van Dune wrote: &#8220;<em>This is also exactly how they &#8216;prove&#8217; that Dark Matter exists!</em>&#8221; </p>
<p>Pretty close, but the words that I have heard are closer to: &#8216;We can&#8217;t find any other explanation, so it must be true.&#8217;  </p>
<p>Your example reminds me of a time when a company I was on the Board of Directors of had floated some bonds in order to do seismic upgrades to the buildings.  The bank underwriting the bond only allowed us 80% of the bond money raised, and the other 20% was held in something resembling escrow, just in case we were unable to repay the bonds, so that the bond holders would still get something back.  Thus, while the stated interest rate was one value, the <em>real </em>interest rate was somewhat higher (would have been 25% higher, but the &#8220;escrow&#8221; paid some amount of interest).  </p>
<p>I think I have a slight idea of how the universe must be feeling, if it can only use 15% of its actual matter.  What a waste of 85%.</p>
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		By: siriusactuary		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Sep 2023 21:09:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There is a nice post about the Wide Binary results at tritonstation.com, the blog of Dr Stacy McGaugh.  The entire blog is an excellent source for MOND and Dark Matter.  There are some laws of galactic dynamics (the Radial Acceleration Relation, the Baryonic Tully Fischer Relation, the Mass Discrepancy Relation) that relate galactic dynamics to baryonic (i.e. &quot;ordinary&quot;) matter, essentially precluding the existence of any dark matter in galaxies.  Note that these are empirical relationships that do not depend on MOND.

Unfortunately at the scale of galaxy clusters it appears there may be a need for Dark Matter or another version of gravity beyond MOND, and the CMB together with Big Bang Nucleosynthesis suggests that there must be more matter in the universe than accounted for by baryonic matter.  

At least, all of that is my understanding - this is an area of interest for me but I am certainly not an expert.   Personally I suspect that the CMB interpretaions and other aspects of cosmology are in need of correction, but the question of course is how.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a nice post about the Wide Binary results at tritonstation.com, the blog of Dr Stacy McGaugh.  The entire blog is an excellent source for MOND and Dark Matter.  There are some laws of galactic dynamics (the Radial Acceleration Relation, the Baryonic Tully Fischer Relation, the Mass Discrepancy Relation) that relate galactic dynamics to baryonic (i.e. &#8220;ordinary&#8221;) matter, essentially precluding the existence of any dark matter in galaxies.  Note that these are empirical relationships that do not depend on MOND.</p>
<p>Unfortunately at the scale of galaxy clusters it appears there may be a need for Dark Matter or another version of gravity beyond MOND, and the CMB together with Big Bang Nucleosynthesis suggests that there must be more matter in the universe than accounted for by baryonic matter.  </p>
<p>At least, all of that is my understanding &#8211; this is an area of interest for me but I am certainly not an expert.   Personally I suspect that the CMB interpretaions and other aspects of cosmology are in need of correction, but the question of course is how.</p>
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		By: Ray Van Dune		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ray Van Dune]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Sep 2023 14:40:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dark matter has never made any sense to me. It&#039;s like I go to the bank and try to withdraw $1000, but I&#039;m told I have only $800 available.

When I protest that my checkbook indicates I have $1000 in my account, they say &quot;Oh, you DO have $1000, but $200 of it is Dark Money that you can&#039;t use!&quot;

When I ask to see my $200 in Dark Money, they say &quot;Nobody can see it.&quot; When I ask how then they can know it&#039;s there, they patiently explain that since my checkbook and their records both agree that I have $1000, but we can only see $800, this proves that there is $200 in Dark Money in my account!

This is also exactly how they &quot;prove&quot; that Dark Matter exists!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dark matter has never made any sense to me. It&#8217;s like I go to the bank and try to withdraw $1000, but I&#8217;m told I have only $800 available.</p>
<p>When I protest that my checkbook indicates I have $1000 in my account, they say &#8220;Oh, you DO have $1000, but $200 of it is Dark Money that you can&#8217;t use!&#8221;</p>
<p>When I ask to see my $200 in Dark Money, they say &#8220;Nobody can see it.&#8221; When I ask how then they can know it&#8217;s there, they patiently explain that since my checkbook and their records both agree that I have $1000, but we can only see $800, this proves that there is $200 in Dark Money in my account!</p>
<p>This is also exactly how they &#8220;prove&#8221; that Dark Matter exists!</p>
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		By: Steve Golson		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Sep 2023 13:38:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well, there really isn&#039;t any doubt about &quot;the Big Bang&quot;. The universe at the beginning was very hot and very small. That&#039;s the Big Bang.

Where the various theories differ, is in explaining what exactly has happened since then. And how does gravity work?

So I don&#039;t think it is correct to call MOND (for example) &quot;skepticism of the Big Bang&quot;. More properly you could call it &quot;alternative theories of gravity&quot; or perhaps &quot;an alternative model of how the Big Bang worked&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, there really isn&#8217;t any doubt about &#8220;the Big Bang&#8221;. The universe at the beginning was very hot and very small. That&#8217;s the Big Bang.</p>
<p>Where the various theories differ, is in explaining what exactly has happened since then. And how does gravity work?</p>
<p>So I don&#8217;t think it is correct to call MOND (for example) &#8220;skepticism of the Big Bang&#8221;. More properly you could call it &#8220;alternative theories of gravity&#8221; or perhaps &#8220;an alternative model of how the Big Bang worked&#8221;.</p>
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		By: Jeff Wright		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Wright]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Sep 2023 02:01:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[MOND adherent myself]]></description>
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		By: David Ross		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Ross]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Sep 2023 00:20:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Although Russia is going to fail, because brain-drain, at least they&#039;re aiming right. At least someone over there figured out enough English literacy to read Winchell Chung.
Deimos is the place to go and settle. Mars is ... ugh. An airless desert, with poison in the soil and radiation from the sky.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although Russia is going to fail, because brain-drain, at least they&#8217;re aiming right. At least someone over there figured out enough English literacy to read Winchell Chung.<br />
Deimos is the place to go and settle. Mars is &#8230; ugh. An airless desert, with poison in the soil and radiation from the sky.</p>
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