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		By: Robert Zimmerman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert Zimmerman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2019 16:48:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/shutdown-update-we-dont-need-them/#comment-1063374&quot;&gt;Kirk&lt;/a&gt;.

Kirk: I would then say, based on this report, that at a minimum 350,000 federal employees should be removed from the payroll, immediately.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/shutdown-update-we-dont-need-them/#comment-1063374">Kirk</a>.</p>
<p>Kirk: I would then say, based on this report, that at a minimum 350,000 federal employees should be removed from the payroll, immediately.</p>
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		By: Kirk		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kirk]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2019 16:21:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Shutdown update: We don’t need them!&quot;

The administration disagrees.  With tens of thousands of furloughed workers recalled this week, the number deemed essential and ordered to work without pay is now estimated to be 450,000 -- more than half of the 800,000 directly affected by the shutdown.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Shutdown update: We don’t need them!&#8221;</p>
<p>The administration disagrees.  With tens of thousands of furloughed workers recalled this week, the number deemed essential and ordered to work without pay is now estimated to be 450,000 &#8212; more than half of the 800,000 directly affected by the shutdown.</p>
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		By: Kirk		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kirk]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2019 19:55:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[With respect to the various comments above regarding unemployment benefits:

&quot;Employees told to stay home can get jobless benefits, Labor Department says. But those required to report to work -- even if not paid -- aren’t eligible&quot;

https://www.wsj.com/articles/furloughed-federal-employees-may-seek-unemployment-labor-department-says-11547651066]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With respect to the various comments above regarding unemployment benefits:</p>
<p>&#8220;Employees told to stay home can get jobless benefits, Labor Department says. But those required to report to work &#8212; even if not paid &#8212; aren’t eligible&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="https://www.wsj.com/articles/furloughed-federal-employees-may-seek-unemployment-labor-department-says-11547651066" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.wsj.com/articles/furloughed-federal-employees-may-seek-unemployment-labor-department-says-11547651066</a></p>
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		By: wayne		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[wayne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2019 07:20:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[mpthompson-
A most excellent point!
(we need to roll the head count, back to 1898!)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mpthompson-<br />
A most excellent point!<br />
(we need to roll the head count, back to 1898!)</p>
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		By: mpthompson		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mpthompson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2019 02:41:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[How many federal workers were hired after $1 Trillion was dumped into the federal budget after the stimulus bills in 2008/2009 and never rolled back?  Seems we could easily roll federal government headcounts back to 2000 era levels and we would still have too many federal workers.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How many federal workers were hired after $1 Trillion was dumped into the federal budget after the stimulus bills in 2008/2009 and never rolled back?  Seems we could easily roll federal government headcounts back to 2000 era levels and we would still have too many federal workers.</p>
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		By: wayne		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[wayne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2019 18:00:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Andrew--
There are roughly 2 million federal employee&#039;s, and only roughly 15-20% of those are directly effected, so yeah-- considerably less than 800K.
Forget unemployment, they haven&#039;t been terminated, and besides we pay for that as well.
(and... you need to add in benefits &#038; pension to those costs, and union dues.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew&#8211;<br />
There are roughly 2 million federal employee&#8217;s, and only roughly 15-20% of those are directly effected, so yeah&#8211; considerably less than 800K.<br />
Forget unemployment, they haven&#8217;t been terminated, and besides we pay for that as well.<br />
(and&#8230; you need to add in benefits &amp; pension to those costs, and union dues.)</p>
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		By: Andrew		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrew]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2019 17:44:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[My sentiments exactly.

I saw a report, probably a lie, or just wrong, that said 800,000 Federal Workers just missed their paycheck.  Rush read a report that said, in spite all previous shut downs, no federal worker ever actually lost a paycheck, AND that this &quot;so called&quot; lost paycheck will get Reimbursed.

800,000 federal workers?   That is over twice as many people as actually LIVE in the State of Vermont.   Leave them on unemployment.   Let them do their 13 weeks, loose their unemployment bennies THEN get other jobs!

Sadly, even if that many federal workers go away, at 80k on average per salary that will just barely DENT the ongoing deficit.   Might do a lot to drain the swamp though.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My sentiments exactly.</p>
<p>I saw a report, probably a lie, or just wrong, that said 800,000 Federal Workers just missed their paycheck.  Rush read a report that said, in spite all previous shut downs, no federal worker ever actually lost a paycheck, AND that this &#8220;so called&#8221; lost paycheck will get Reimbursed.</p>
<p>800,000 federal workers?   That is over twice as many people as actually LIVE in the State of Vermont.   Leave them on unemployment.   Let them do their 13 weeks, loose their unemployment bennies THEN get other jobs!</p>
<p>Sadly, even if that many federal workers go away, at 80k on average per salary that will just barely DENT the ongoing deficit.   Might do a lot to drain the swamp though.</p>
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		By: Phill O		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Phill O]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2019 15:35:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[How about the congress shuts down?  Without pay!  Would we see any affect?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about the congress shuts down?  Without pay!  Would we see any affect?</p>
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		By: wayne		</title>
		<link>https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/shutdown-update-we-dont-need-them/#comment-1063293</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[wayne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2019 13:02:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Nassim Nicholas Taleb: 
&quot;Skin in the Game&quot; 
Google Talks November 2018
https://youtu.be/uv6KLbkvua8
(1:01:00)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nassim Nicholas Taleb:<br />
&#8220;Skin in the Game&#8221;<br />
Google Talks November 2018<br />
<a href="https://youtu.be/uv6KLbkvua8" rel="nofollow ugc">https://youtu.be/uv6KLbkvua8</a><br />
(1:01:00)</p>
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		By: wayne		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[wayne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2019 12:57:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[commodude/wodun
Good stuff.

Julie Covington - 
Don&#039;t Cry For Me Argentina
https://youtu.be/adUPdnzCAk8
5:28]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>commodude/wodun<br />
Good stuff.</p>
<p>Julie Covington &#8211;<br />
Don&#8217;t Cry For Me Argentina<br />
<a href="https://youtu.be/adUPdnzCAk8" rel="nofollow ugc">https://youtu.be/adUPdnzCAk8</a><br />
5:28</p>
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		By: Orion314		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Orion314]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2019 04:10:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hmm, Gvmnt &quot;Worker&quot; ? that means : &quot;Sit on your can , do as little as possible, VOTE DEMOCRAT,  and cash your paycheck.&quot;.
.Rinse and repeat.
 We are long past the point of tolerance and discussion, if you support the Democratic party. you need to be in jail, awaiting trial for sedition / treason. There is no greater threat than ANYONE who supports the DEMOCRATIC  party..sorry if i wasn&#039;t  clear B4]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, Gvmnt &#8220;Worker&#8221; ? that means : &#8220;Sit on your can , do as little as possible, VOTE DEMOCRAT,  and cash your paycheck.&#8221;.<br />
.Rinse and repeat.<br />
 We are long past the point of tolerance and discussion, if you support the Democratic party. you need to be in jail, awaiting trial for sedition / treason. There is no greater threat than ANYONE who supports the DEMOCRATIC  party..sorry if i wasn&#8217;t  clear B4</p>
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		By: wodun		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[wodun]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2019 23:49:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Did anyone care when regular people were getting their identities stolen by illegal immigrants? Government workers go along with these scams that defraud citizens.

I don&#039;t know much about it but our local paper was running fear articles about the shutdown. One of the headlines was that government workers were collecting unemployment. So, I think depending on the state and the job, government workers can get unemployment to help them out.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did anyone care when regular people were getting their identities stolen by illegal immigrants? Government workers go along with these scams that defraud citizens.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know much about it but our local paper was running fear articles about the shutdown. One of the headlines was that government workers were collecting unemployment. So, I think depending on the state and the job, government workers can get unemployment to help them out.</p>
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		By: commodude		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[commodude]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2019 23:31:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The most pathetic piece I&#039;ve seen was on Yahoo (though those normally go hand in hand). It was about a senior FAA admin who told his wife &quot;$30 means a lot now&quot;.... after his wife spent $30 on groceries. 

You&#039;re making 6 figures and $30 is going to break you after missing one paycheck? If that&#039;s truly the case, you deserve the situation you&#039;re in.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The most pathetic piece I&#8217;ve seen was on Yahoo (though those normally go hand in hand). It was about a senior FAA admin who told his wife &#8220;$30 means a lot now&#8221;&#8230;. after his wife spent $30 on groceries. </p>
<p>You&#8217;re making 6 figures and $30 is going to break you after missing one paycheck? If that&#8217;s truly the case, you deserve the situation you&#8217;re in.</p>
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		By: David Lohnes		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Lohnes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2019 21:44:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Here is a &quot;sky is falling&quot; opinion piece about how the government shutdown is aiding identity thieves. https://www.daily-jeff.com/opinion/20190111/parker-dealing-with-identity-theft-during-shutdown

After getting her identity stolen she is helpless. &quot;Suddenly, I’m very interested in this problem, which can’t be resolved because the relevant government agencies, including the FTC, are shut down. The cobwebbed IdentityTheft.gov website says, “we will resume normal operations when the government is funded.&quot;

&quot;Bottom line: Someone hacked into my Social Security account and changed my bank routing and checking account numbers to a Green Dot account that was probably created for that purpose. This means the thieves likely have a small book’s worth of information about me, both financial and personal. What might come next, and what should I do?&quot;

Well try a simple search of &quot;what to do when your identity is stolen&quot; and receive the same checklist that the FTC provides you on any of a number of sites. No, we need to make it seem like we are helpless without BIG government to babysit us.

Surely Kathleen Parker knows better and probably even did the search above and found out what do when your identity is stolen. However she does a disservice to anyone who trusts her words and thinks that they are helpless until the government opens up. 

Here you go. Skip Step 5: https://www.bankrate.com/finance/credit/steps-for-victims-of-identity-fraud.aspx]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is a &#8220;sky is falling&#8221; opinion piece about how the government shutdown is aiding identity thieves. <a href="https://www.daily-jeff.com/opinion/20190111/parker-dealing-with-identity-theft-during-shutdown" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.daily-jeff.com/opinion/20190111/parker-dealing-with-identity-theft-during-shutdown</a></p>
<p>After getting her identity stolen she is helpless. &#8220;Suddenly, I’m very interested in this problem, which can’t be resolved because the relevant government agencies, including the FTC, are shut down. The cobwebbed IdentityTheft.gov website says, “we will resume normal operations when the government is funded.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Bottom line: Someone hacked into my Social Security account and changed my bank routing and checking account numbers to a Green Dot account that was probably created for that purpose. This means the thieves likely have a small book’s worth of information about me, both financial and personal. What might come next, and what should I do?&#8221;</p>
<p>Well try a simple search of &#8220;what to do when your identity is stolen&#8221; and receive the same checklist that the FTC provides you on any of a number of sites. No, we need to make it seem like we are helpless without BIG government to babysit us.</p>
<p>Surely Kathleen Parker knows better and probably even did the search above and found out what do when your identity is stolen. However she does a disservice to anyone who trusts her words and thinks that they are helpless until the government opens up. </p>
<p>Here you go. Skip Step 5: <a href="https://www.bankrate.com/finance/credit/steps-for-victims-of-identity-fraud.aspx" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.bankrate.com/finance/credit/steps-for-victims-of-identity-fraud.aspx</a></p>
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		By: Robert Zimmerman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert Zimmerman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2019 21:03:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/shutdown-update-we-dont-need-them/#comment-1063261&quot;&gt;Kirk&lt;/a&gt;.

Kirk: I don&#039;t know what the specific situation is for Coast Guard members, but I must admit that I generally do not have a lot of heart left for sympathy for most government workers. They overall have done terrible jobs for the past few decades, and in every area they have been involved they have actually worked to make things worse, either by intention or incompetence. And as they have done this they have generally been paid about twice what ordinary taxpayers get, with far far far better benefits.

Meanwhile, I have watched numerous friends struggle to find decent jobs in the private sector for the past decade. Often they have had to settle, and have suffered because of it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/shutdown-update-we-dont-need-them/#comment-1063261">Kirk</a>.</p>
<p>Kirk: I don&#8217;t know what the specific situation is for Coast Guard members, but I must admit that I generally do not have a lot of heart left for sympathy for most government workers. They overall have done terrible jobs for the past few decades, and in every area they have been involved they have actually worked to make things worse, either by intention or incompetence. And as they have done this they have generally been paid about twice what ordinary taxpayers get, with far far far better benefits.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, I have watched numerous friends struggle to find decent jobs in the private sector for the past decade. Often they have had to settle, and have suffered because of it.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kirk]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2019 19:47:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What is the situation with Coasties -- not Coast Guard contractors or civilian employees, but active duty Coast Guard members?  Have any been furloughed, or have all been called to work without pay?  (Really delayed pay, yes, but if this stretches on much further I could imagine a lot of stress among career Coast Guard members with families to support and mortgages to pay.  It&#039;s not like they have the legal option of quitting prior to the end of their enlistment to seek a paying private sector job.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is the situation with Coasties &#8212; not Coast Guard contractors or civilian employees, but active duty Coast Guard members?  Have any been furloughed, or have all been called to work without pay?  (Really delayed pay, yes, but if this stretches on much further I could imagine a lot of stress among career Coast Guard members with families to support and mortgages to pay.  It&#8217;s not like they have the legal option of quitting prior to the end of their enlistment to seek a paying private sector job.)</p>
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