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		By: Edward		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Edward]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jan 2024 22:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Scott Manley has an analysis of what happened.  It depends upon a translation from Japanese, and about a third of the way through the video he notes a difficulty of mechanical translators, such as Google Translate.  
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bFiJvbKyPs (14 minutes) 

Apparently, a major problem was that one of the two main thrusters failed, as its bell section departed the spacecraft, as &lt;strong&gt;Questioner &lt;/strong&gt;noted.  The root cause may be associated with an excess of oxidizer supplied to that thruster.  He compared it to a similar problem, a faulty valve in Akatsuki, a Japanese probe to Venus.  
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Speaking of applicable expressions, we could say &quot;thrusters up,&quot; similar to &quot;Tango Uniform,&quot; derived from &quot;belly up,&quot; which is what happens to dead fish.  Maybe we don&#039;t want to compare a fairly successful lunar probe to a dead fish.  

Or, &quot;flamey end up, point end down&quot; could be appropriate, although there aren&#039;t any flames, anymore, and the pointy end isn&#039;t really pointy.  

Upside-down does not really fit, because as Questioner pointed out, the solar arrays were supposed to be on top, after landed, so it is really upside-sideways.  
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Getting space right is not easy.  We have a lot of trouble with newly designed launch vehicles, despite them being similar to well established rockets (Starship and Super Heavy are trying to do very new things, which makes them even more difficult to get right).  We have a trouble landing on the Moon, despite the many successful landings over a half century ago.  Probes to Mars still go awry.  When I was building and testing satellites and satellite instruments, the darnedest things went wrong, although we were able to fix the problems we knew about before launch.  The concepts of rocket science may be simple, but executing them successfully is still difficult.  We seem to still be in a steep learning curve, where space is concerned.  

Then again, getting aviation right took a century, and yet we’re &lt;em&gt;still &lt;/em&gt;learning.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott Manley has an analysis of what happened.  It depends upon a translation from Japanese, and about a third of the way through the video he notes a difficulty of mechanical translators, such as Google Translate.<br />
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bFiJvbKyPs" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bFiJvbKyPs</a> (14 minutes) </p>
<p>Apparently, a major problem was that one of the two main thrusters failed, as its bell section departed the spacecraft, as <strong>Questioner </strong>noted.  The root cause may be associated with an excess of oxidizer supplied to that thruster.  He compared it to a similar problem, a faulty valve in Akatsuki, a Japanese probe to Venus.<br />
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Speaking of applicable expressions, we could say &#8220;thrusters up,&#8221; similar to &#8220;Tango Uniform,&#8221; derived from &#8220;belly up,&#8221; which is what happens to dead fish.  Maybe we don&#8217;t want to compare a fairly successful lunar probe to a dead fish.  </p>
<p>Or, &#8220;flamey end up, point end down&#8221; could be appropriate, although there aren&#8217;t any flames, anymore, and the pointy end isn&#8217;t really pointy.  </p>
<p>Upside-down does not really fit, because as Questioner pointed out, the solar arrays were supposed to be on top, after landed, so it is really upside-sideways.<br />
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Getting space right is not easy.  We have a lot of trouble with newly designed launch vehicles, despite them being similar to well established rockets (Starship and Super Heavy are trying to do very new things, which makes them even more difficult to get right).  We have a trouble landing on the Moon, despite the many successful landings over a half century ago.  Probes to Mars still go awry.  When I was building and testing satellites and satellite instruments, the darnedest things went wrong, although we were able to fix the problems we knew about before launch.  The concepts of rocket science may be simple, but executing them successfully is still difficult.  We seem to still be in a steep learning curve, where space is concerned.  </p>
<p>Then again, getting aviation right took a century, and yet we’re <em>still </em>learning.</p>
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		By: Edward		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Edward]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jan 2024 14:43:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Questioner wrote: &quot;&lt;em&gt;so that it would come to rest on one of its side surfaces, on which a kind of small legs are attached.&lt;/em&gt;&quot; 

How wonderful.  My recollection is that is how the ship landed on the Moon in the book &lt;em&gt;Rocket Ship Galileo&lt;/em&gt;,  my second science fiction book, right after &lt;em&gt;I Robot&lt;/em&gt;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Questioner wrote: &#8220;<em>so that it would come to rest on one of its side surfaces, on which a kind of small legs are attached.</em>&#8221; </p>
<p>How wonderful.  My recollection is that is how the ship landed on the Moon in the book <em>Rocket Ship Galileo</em>,  my second science fiction book, right after <em>I Robot</em>.</p>
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		By: Questioner		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jan 2024 08:44:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[To be precise: 

It was nominally planned that the SLIM lander, shortly before touchdown, would turn or tilt 90° from the starting position with engines downwards, so that it would come to rest on one of its side surfaces, on which a kind of small legs are attached.

Due to the engine failure (the expansion nozzle of one of the two 400N engines blowed off), this planned movement was now not just 90° but 180°. In the spirit of the device&#039;s designers, the lander is not upside down, but on its side.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be precise: </p>
<p>It was nominally planned that the SLIM lander, shortly before touchdown, would turn or tilt 90° from the starting position with engines downwards, so that it would come to rest on one of its side surfaces, on which a kind of small legs are attached.</p>
<p>Due to the engine failure (the expansion nozzle of one of the two 400N engines blowed off), this planned movement was now not just 90° but 180°. In the spirit of the device&#8217;s designers, the lander is not upside down, but on its side.</p>
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		By: Edward		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Edward]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jan 2024 04:55:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;Robert &lt;/strong&gt;wrote: &quot;&lt;em&gt;It was not able however to test its crushable landing legs, as they remain in the air.&lt;/em&gt;&quot; 

If it survived landing on its roof, how much does it need those crushable legs?  

I had assumed that it touched down, then rolled over from too steep of an angle on the landing site.  

My reading of the article is that it set down in correct orientation but due to its eastward speed it tipped over after soft touchdown.  

From the press release: 
&lt;blockquote&gt;... but conditions such as the lateral velocity and attitude were outside the design range, and this is thought to have resulted in a different attitude than planned.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;Blair Ivey&lt;/strong&gt;, 
I&#039;m still laughing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Robert </strong>wrote: &#8220;<em>It was not able however to test its crushable landing legs, as they remain in the air.</em>&#8221; </p>
<p>If it survived landing on its roof, how much does it need those crushable legs?  </p>
<p>I had assumed that it touched down, then rolled over from too steep of an angle on the landing site.  </p>
<p>My reading of the article is that it set down in correct orientation but due to its eastward speed it tipped over after soft touchdown.  </p>
<p>From the press release: </p>
<blockquote><p>&#8230; but conditions such as the lateral velocity and attitude were outside the design range, and this is thought to have resulted in a different attitude than planned.</p></blockquote>
<p><strong>Blair Ivey</strong>,<br />
I&#8217;m still laughing.</p>
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		By: geoffc		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jan 2024 02:16:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Any landing your rovers can walk away from is a good landing.]]></description>
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		By: Blair Ivey		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Blair Ivey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jan 2024 00:42:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;d like to point out that *anyone* can land a spacecraft right-side up, although I would have expected this orientation from an Australian operator.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to point out that *anyone* can land a spacecraft right-side up, although I would have expected this orientation from an Australian operator.</p>
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		By: Blair Ivey		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Blair Ivey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jan 2024 21:44:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[markedup2 asked: &quot;I wonder how many anachronistic expressions will make their way into our space-traveling future (?)&quot;

I&#039;d say the first was when JFK exhorted us to &quot; . . .  set sail on these new seas.&quot;

&#039;Up in the air&#039; may not be technically accurate, but does provide an immediate, understandable, grasp of the situation. It&#039;s good communication.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>markedup2 asked: &#8220;I wonder how many anachronistic expressions will make their way into our space-traveling future (?)&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;d say the first was when JFK exhorted us to &#8221; . . .  set sail on these new seas.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8216;Up in the air&#8217; may not be technically accurate, but does provide an immediate, understandable, grasp of the situation. It&#8217;s good communication.</p>
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		By: Patrick Underwood		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Patrick Underwood]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jan 2024 21:04:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Keep hitting it with the rovers until it tips over!    :)]]></description>
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		By: markedup2		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jan 2024 19:42:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Is it bad that I laughed at the picture?

I wonder how many anachronistic expressions will make their way into our space-traveling future. There are plenty of them still around on Earth: Hair of the dog [that bit you], hang up the phone, squeaky wheel gets the grease (I&#039;m old and I&#039;ve never greased a wheel; hurrah for sealed bearings), never look a gift horse in the mouth, fall off the wagon, etc...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it bad that I laughed at the picture?</p>
<p>I wonder how many anachronistic expressions will make their way into our space-traveling future. There are plenty of them still around on Earth: Hair of the dog [that bit you], hang up the phone, squeaky wheel gets the grease (I&#8217;m old and I&#8217;ve never greased a wheel; hurrah for sealed bearings), never look a gift horse in the mouth, fall off the wagon, etc&#8230;</p>
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		By: David Eastman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Eastman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jan 2024 18:12:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[One minor nit: &quot;in the air&quot; is an obvious expression for the situation with the lander upside down, but of course the moon does not have air.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One minor nit: &#8220;in the air&#8221; is an obvious expression for the situation with the lander upside down, but of course the moon does not have air.</p>
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		By: Gary		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gary]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jan 2024 16:51:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Going forward, it appears landers will need solar cells on both top and bottom!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Going forward, it appears landers will need solar cells on both top and bottom!</p>
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