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		By: Edward		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Edward]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 May 2023 17:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What fun it can be to read what seem to be boring documents.  We dan learn so very much about an organization.  

For quite some time, we have been unsure how much of the nearly $10 billion that SpaceX has raised for Starship and for Starlink has gone into each of these projects.  We now have a good idea.  

From the document filed for SpaceX&#039;s motion to intervene: 
&lt;blockquote&gt;Since the FAA issued the ROD approving development of the site, &lt;strong&gt;SpaceX has invested more than $3 billion &lt;/strong&gt;into developing the Boca Chica launch facility and Starship/Super Heavy launch system. [Emphasis mine]&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Elsewhere, the filing tells us the beginning date for this amount of expenditure: 
&lt;blockquote&gt;On July 9, 2014, the FAA issued a Record of Decision (“ROD”) to approve SpaceX’s construction and operation of the Boca Chica launch site.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This does not give us a definitive number, but we now have a lower limit on how much SpaceX has invested in Starship.  Since it is in the company&#039;s best interest to give as large a number as possible, we can be fairly sure that SpaceX has not yet invested $4 billion in this project.  

Although this amount also includes the development of infrastructure and ground support, it gives us a better number for comparing the Starship/Super Heavy development with other rocket development projects.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What fun it can be to read what seem to be boring documents.  We dan learn so very much about an organization.  </p>
<p>For quite some time, we have been unsure how much of the nearly $10 billion that SpaceX has raised for Starship and for Starlink has gone into each of these projects.  We now have a good idea.  </p>
<p>From the document filed for SpaceX&#8217;s motion to intervene: </p>
<blockquote><p>Since the FAA issued the ROD approving development of the site, <strong>SpaceX has invested more than $3 billion </strong>into developing the Boca Chica launch facility and Starship/Super Heavy launch system. [Emphasis mine]</p></blockquote>
<p>Elsewhere, the filing tells us the beginning date for this amount of expenditure: </p>
<blockquote><p>On July 9, 2014, the FAA issued a Record of Decision (“ROD”) to approve SpaceX’s construction and operation of the Boca Chica launch site.</p></blockquote>
<p>This does not give us a definitive number, but we now have a lower limit on how much SpaceX has invested in Starship.  Since it is in the company&#8217;s best interest to give as large a number as possible, we can be fairly sure that SpaceX has not yet invested $4 billion in this project.  </p>
<p>Although this amount also includes the development of infrastructure and ground support, it gives us a better number for comparing the Starship/Super Heavy development with other rocket development projects.</p>
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		By: Dave Walden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dave Walden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 May 2023 13:42:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Jester &quot;gets it!&quot;  Proper use of Federalism and the Courts are the only means to stave off - short of proper education (a much longer term solution), what is the inevitable result.  The most &quot;uncivil&quot; of acts, civil war........]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jester &#8220;gets it!&#8221;  Proper use of Federalism and the Courts are the only means to stave off &#8211; short of proper education (a much longer term solution), what is the inevitable result.  The most &#8220;uncivil&#8221; of acts, civil war&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
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		By: Jeff		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 May 2023 11:55:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Re: Desantis - Robert wrote:
&quot;I see no evidence that he is a creature controlled by the swamp.&quot;

As did I at first. I was happy to see the way Florida was pushing back. Then a few months ago I read this:

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/08/19/for-those-with-eyes-to-see/

Almost everything predicted months ago has come true.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Desantis &#8211; Robert wrote:<br />
&#8220;I see no evidence that he is a creature controlled by the swamp.&#8221;</p>
<p>As did I at first. I was happy to see the way Florida was pushing back. Then a few months ago I read this:</p>
<p><a href="https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/08/19/for-those-with-eyes-to-see/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/08/19/for-those-with-eyes-to-see/</a></p>
<p>Almost everything predicted months ago has come true.</p>
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		By: Robert Zimmerman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert Zimmerman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 May 2023 00:44:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/spacex-files-to-join-faa-as-defendant-in-lawsuit-trying-to-shut-down-boca-chica/#comment-1413658&quot;&gt;Jester Naybor&lt;/a&gt;.

Jester Naybor: We are in agreement on all points.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/spacex-files-to-join-faa-as-defendant-in-lawsuit-trying-to-shut-down-boca-chica/#comment-1413658">Jester Naybor</a>.</p>
<p>Jester Naybor: We are in agreement on all points.</p>
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		By: Jester Naybor		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jester Naybor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 May 2023 00:24:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Edward, you know how they think:  the presence of man is the problem.  Their cognitive dissonance regarding the origin of lightning strikes never registers with them because of that.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Edward, you know how they think:  the presence of man is the problem.  Their cognitive dissonance regarding the origin of lightning strikes never registers with them because of that.</p>
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		By: Jester Naybor		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jester Naybor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 May 2023 00:19:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Robert, as long as DeSantis keeps “saying the quiet parts out loud” he is worthy of support. As is Trump for the same reason.  May the best man win.

My preference?  That Trump gets back in the White House, DeSantis stays as governor, and they -  along with Kristi Noem, Greg Abbott and others - work together to leverage federalism to move as much power as they can out of occupied DC.

My fear is that the GOP campaign consultants will pressure DeSantis and/or Trump to stop “saying the quiet parts out loud” and either/both end up up like Scott Walker in 2016.  That could result from enough people throwing Trump under the bus because they prefer a fire-and-forget hero to defending the need for his disruptive approach and STQPOL.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert, as long as DeSantis keeps “saying the quiet parts out loud” he is worthy of support. As is Trump for the same reason.  May the best man win.</p>
<p>My preference?  That Trump gets back in the White House, DeSantis stays as governor, and they &#8211;  along with Kristi Noem, Greg Abbott and others &#8211; work together to leverage federalism to move as much power as they can out of occupied DC.</p>
<p>My fear is that the GOP campaign consultants will pressure DeSantis and/or Trump to stop “saying the quiet parts out loud” and either/both end up up like Scott Walker in 2016.  That could result from enough people throwing Trump under the bus because they prefer a fire-and-forget hero to defending the need for his disruptive approach and STQPOL.</p>
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		By: Edward		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Edward]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 May 2023 00:18:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[From the article: 
&lt;blockquote&gt;“Although no debris was documented on refuge fee-owned lands, staff documented approximately 385 acres of debris on SpaceX’s facility and at Boca Chica State Park, which is leased by the Service and managed as a component of the Lower Rio Grande National Wildlife Refuge,” reads a US Fish and Wildlife Service statement from shortly after the launch. “Additionally, a 3.5-acre fire started south of the pad site on Boca Chica State Park land. At this time, no dead birds or wildlife have been found on refuge-owned or managed lands.”&lt;/blockquote&gt; 

Essentially, these groups are complaining about a non-problem, a problem that did not happen, despite an unforeseen worst-case scenario (or even a worse-than-anticipated-worst-case scenario).  The fire isn&#039;t the first, yet launches were approved despite the occasional brush fire.  Heck, even nature causes its own brush fires.  Should we revoke nature&#039;s license to operate in the area?  Outlaw lightening strikes?  Hmm.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the article: </p>
<blockquote><p>“Although no debris was documented on refuge fee-owned lands, staff documented approximately 385 acres of debris on SpaceX’s facility and at Boca Chica State Park, which is leased by the Service and managed as a component of the Lower Rio Grande National Wildlife Refuge,” reads a US Fish and Wildlife Service statement from shortly after the launch. “Additionally, a 3.5-acre fire started south of the pad site on Boca Chica State Park land. At this time, no dead birds or wildlife have been found on refuge-owned or managed lands.”</p></blockquote>
<p>Essentially, these groups are complaining about a non-problem, a problem that did not happen, despite an unforeseen worst-case scenario (or even a worse-than-anticipated-worst-case scenario).  The fire isn&#8217;t the first, yet launches were approved despite the occasional brush fire.  Heck, even nature causes its own brush fires.  Should we revoke nature&#8217;s license to operate in the area?  Outlaw lightening strikes?  Hmm.</p>
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		By: Robert Zimmerman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert Zimmerman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 May 2023 21:09:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/spacex-files-to-join-faa-as-defendant-in-lawsuit-trying-to-shut-down-boca-chica/#comment-1413629&quot;&gt;James Street&lt;/a&gt;.

James Street: Based on what DeSantis has &lt;em&gt;done&lt;/em&gt;, I see no evidence that he is a creature &lt;em&gt;controlled&lt;/em&gt; by the swamp. Instead, he appears to be a hard-nosed man of principles unafraid of anyone in his effort to do the right thing, for freedom and law and morality.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/spacex-files-to-join-faa-as-defendant-in-lawsuit-trying-to-shut-down-boca-chica/#comment-1413629">James Street</a>.</p>
<p>James Street: Based on what DeSantis has <em>done</em>, I see no evidence that he is a creature <em>controlled</em> by the swamp. Instead, he appears to be a hard-nosed man of principles unafraid of anyone in his effort to do the right thing, for freedom and law and morality.</p>
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		By: James Street		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James Street]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 May 2023 20:00:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Elon musk will appear with DeSantis&quot;

That&#039;s too bad. DeSantis is swamp. He has the full backing of the swamp: the Bush family, RINO bloggers, Fox news....]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Elon musk will appear with DeSantis&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s too bad. DeSantis is swamp. He has the full backing of the swamp: the Bush family, RINO bloggers, Fox news&#8230;.</p>
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		By: Max		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Max]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 May 2023 18:17:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It was just announced that Elon musk will appear with  DeSantis in Rons announcement Running for president...
   It’ll be interesting to see how this all ties together.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was just announced that Elon musk will appear with  DeSantis in Rons announcement Running for president&#8230;<br />
   It’ll be interesting to see how this all ties together.</p>
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		By: InspiredHistoryMike		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[InspiredHistoryMike]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 May 2023 16:20:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Government Agencies do seem to enjoy being sued now.
What better way to get money to your friends?
Punishing your enemies is just a bonus.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Government Agencies do seem to enjoy being sued now.<br />
What better way to get money to your friends?<br />
Punishing your enemies is just a bonus.</p>
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