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		By: Edward		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Edward]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Apr 2022 23:07:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mike Puckett noted: &quot;&lt;em&gt;He has only so many levers to pull here.&lt;/em&gt;&quot; 

But he &lt;em&gt;does &lt;/em&gt;have levers to pull.  He is the governor of a large state, and that comes with a lot of power and pull.  He also has a voice, which holds a lot of power, just as Florida’s Governor Ron DeSantis has -- and has used.  

On the other hand, we can use this situation to see how the Seventeenth Amendment was such a bad idea.  Now that senators are elected by the people of each state, the state itself has lost a lot of power and pull with the federal (now national) government.  The Constitution was originally set up so that each state legislature chose its own senators, and this made the senators beholden to the state itself.  Now, senators are beholden to their special-interest campaign-contributors, not the state and not the voters.  This makes the Senate little better than the House of Representatives.  

Every state of the union has lost its voice in Washington DC.  This is why we had unfunded mandates on state budgets, a few decades ago.  It took a lot of effort to correct this, because the senate was not on the side of the states (and no one else, either).  Even today, no one is there to defend the Tenth Amendment and states&#039;s rights.  

Without the Seventeenth Amendment, Abbot would have &lt;em&gt;even more &lt;/em&gt;levers to pull and more power to pull them.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike Puckett noted: &#8220;<em>He has only so many levers to pull here.</em>&#8221; </p>
<p>But he <em>does </em>have levers to pull.  He is the governor of a large state, and that comes with a lot of power and pull.  He also has a voice, which holds a lot of power, just as Florida’s Governor Ron DeSantis has &#8212; and has used.  </p>
<p>On the other hand, we can use this situation to see how the Seventeenth Amendment was such a bad idea.  Now that senators are elected by the people of each state, the state itself has lost a lot of power and pull with the federal (now national) government.  The Constitution was originally set up so that each state legislature chose its own senators, and this made the senators beholden to the state itself.  Now, senators are beholden to their special-interest campaign-contributors, not the state and not the voters.  This makes the Senate little better than the House of Representatives.  </p>
<p>Every state of the union has lost its voice in Washington DC.  This is why we had unfunded mandates on state budgets, a few decades ago.  It took a lot of effort to correct this, because the senate was not on the side of the states (and no one else, either).  Even today, no one is there to defend the Tenth Amendment and states&#8217;s rights.  </p>
<p>Without the Seventeenth Amendment, Abbot would have <em>even more </em>levers to pull and more power to pull them.</p>
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		By: Milt		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Milt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Apr 2022 14:13:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mike has a point.  There is probably not a whole lot more that Governor Abbott can do at this juncture, and he has his hands full on the border*.   My perspective, I guess, is that things have gone so far in our current cultural civil war that Governor Abbott and the people of Texas would be better served if he would emulate Florida&#039;s Governor DeSantis a bit more and dispense with all of the residual nicey-nicey diplomat-speak about trying to &quot;work with&quot; the Jacobins who have taken over Washington.    

They do not need to be &quot;worked with;&quot; they need to be called out and opposed using all legal and constitutional means.   And, if this opposition can be served with a bit of humor and savior faire, well, so much the better.  Standing up to bullies, etc.   And articulating critical principles in language that the public and other elected officials can clearly understand.   

Again, it is hard to fault the Governor too much.  He has done a lot, and he deserves credit for the good things that he has done.   I just wish -- along the lines of the story about President Lincoln wanting to share whatever spirits that General Grant was partaking of with his other generals -- that DeSantis would send a case of his special political &quot;Gatoraid&quot; to Governor Abbott.

*Where the National Guard would certainly serve a useful purpose.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike has a point.  There is probably not a whole lot more that Governor Abbott can do at this juncture, and he has his hands full on the border*.   My perspective, I guess, is that things have gone so far in our current cultural civil war that Governor Abbott and the people of Texas would be better served if he would emulate Florida&#8217;s Governor DeSantis a bit more and dispense with all of the residual nicey-nicey diplomat-speak about trying to &#8220;work with&#8221; the Jacobins who have taken over Washington.    </p>
<p>They do not need to be &#8220;worked with;&#8221; they need to be called out and opposed using all legal and constitutional means.   And, if this opposition can be served with a bit of humor and savior faire, well, so much the better.  Standing up to bullies, etc.   And articulating critical principles in language that the public and other elected officials can clearly understand.   </p>
<p>Again, it is hard to fault the Governor too much.  He has done a lot, and he deserves credit for the good things that he has done.   I just wish &#8212; along the lines of the story about President Lincoln wanting to share whatever spirits that General Grant was partaking of with his other generals &#8212; that DeSantis would send a case of his special political &#8220;Gatoraid&#8221; to Governor Abbott.</p>
<p>*Where the National Guard would certainly serve a useful purpose.</p>
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		By: Mike Puckett		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Puckett]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Apr 2022 01:41:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ok Milt, so what exactly is Gov. Abbot supposed to do?  Send in the Texas National Guard to secure the site?

He has only so many levers to pull here.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok Milt, so what exactly is Gov. Abbot supposed to do?  Send in the Texas National Guard to secure the site?</p>
<p>He has only so many levers to pull here.</p>
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		By: Milt		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Milt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Apr 2022 22:47:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Robert writes, &quot;It appears more and more that the first orbital test flight of Starship will take place in Florida, not Texas. And if so, it will be delayed for at least another six months because of this government interference.&quot;

Six months.  Can you imagine how long it would take if NASA were forced to move the launch site for the SLS?  Five years?  A decade?
Never?

Boys and girls (I don&#039;t work for Disney so I can say this), it is becoming pretty obvious that Mr. Musk actually &quot;wants&quot; to create a successful and commercially viable manned space program, while The Powers That Be in Washington want no such thing.   Neither, apparently, does Governor Abbott of Texas.   Too bad for our country; too bad for Texas.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert writes, &#8220;It appears more and more that the first orbital test flight of Starship will take place in Florida, not Texas. And if so, it will be delayed for at least another six months because of this government interference.&#8221;</p>
<p>Six months.  Can you imagine how long it would take if NASA were forced to move the launch site for the SLS?  Five years?  A decade?<br />
Never?</p>
<p>Boys and girls (I don&#8217;t work for Disney so I can say this), it is becoming pretty obvious that Mr. Musk actually &#8220;wants&#8221; to create a successful and commercially viable manned space program, while The Powers That Be in Washington want no such thing.   Neither, apparently, does Governor Abbott of Texas.   Too bad for our country; too bad for Texas.</p>
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		By: Jack O'Leary		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jack O'Leary]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Apr 2022 14:35:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The Army Corps of Engineers decision is very likely political and not due to &quot;insufficient information&quot;. My job is permitting and I deal with them sometimes. In the past, they were the one agency that would reliably process a permit application without much fuss. My most recent application, the first since Biden became president, is being held up. The statements from the Corps indicate that what is being proposed would be allowed for a public project, but not for the private developer who is my client. They are quite explicit about this. The proposed resolution is to force my client into some government-run mitigation that involves substantial fees not otherwise needed. Not explicit but understood in the consulting community is that they are trying to inflict as much pain as possible on private businesses who apply.

From insiders in several Federal agencies, and from experience, the direction they are given from Republican administrations is to assist businesses comply with regulations and meet agency goals. During Democratic administrations the direction is to be as tough as possible on business, slow walk and fine them where possible.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Army Corps of Engineers decision is very likely political and not due to &#8220;insufficient information&#8221;. My job is permitting and I deal with them sometimes. In the past, they were the one agency that would reliably process a permit application without much fuss. My most recent application, the first since Biden became president, is being held up. The statements from the Corps indicate that what is being proposed would be allowed for a public project, but not for the private developer who is my client. They are quite explicit about this. The proposed resolution is to force my client into some government-run mitigation that involves substantial fees not otherwise needed. Not explicit but understood in the consulting community is that they are trying to inflict as much pain as possible on private businesses who apply.</p>
<p>From insiders in several Federal agencies, and from experience, the direction they are given from Republican administrations is to assist businesses comply with regulations and meet agency goals. During Democratic administrations the direction is to be as tough as possible on business, slow walk and fine them where possible.</p>
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		By: John		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Apr 2022 03:41:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Will the administration be satisfied that they took a space port away from Texas?  I don&#039;t think so.  They can find the red tape.

Maybe Mr. Musk should rethink his position on free speech.  Vee have ways to convince people.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will the administration be satisfied that they took a space port away from Texas?  I don&#8217;t think so.  They can find the red tape.</p>
<p>Maybe Mr. Musk should rethink his position on free speech.  Vee have ways to convince people.</p>
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		By: Edward		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Edward]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Apr 2022 00:37:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I wouldn&#039;t be surprised if construction at Kennedy becomes 24/7, if it hasn&#039;t already.  They may have to wait for concrete to cure, however.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if construction at Kennedy becomes 24/7, if it hasn&#8217;t already.  They may have to wait for concrete to cure, however.</p>
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		By: Skunk Bucket		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Skunk Bucket]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Apr 2022 17:49:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The cynical side of me says that this is going to be just like Dragon vs. Starliner. NASA and/or other bureaucratic government agencies would vastly prefer that their cronies over at Boeing launch first so that upstart SpaceX doesn&#039;t make them look bad. Unless the Senate Launch System is delayed by years (still not out of the realm of possibility) they&#039;ll do whatever they have to do to delay the first orbital launch of Starship until after SLS flies.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The cynical side of me says that this is going to be just like Dragon vs. Starliner. NASA and/or other bureaucratic government agencies would vastly prefer that their cronies over at Boeing launch first so that upstart SpaceX doesn&#8217;t make them look bad. Unless the Senate Launch System is delayed by years (still not out of the realm of possibility) they&#8217;ll do whatever they have to do to delay the first orbital launch of Starship until after SLS flies.</p>
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