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		By: Jester Naybor		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jester Naybor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Oct 2024 03:08:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Blair, I&#039;ve been waiting for a Starship launch with Steppenwolf&#039;s &quot;Magic Carpet Ride&quot; playing in the background .... like when Zefram Cochrane launched in &lt;em&gt;Star Trek:  First Contact..&lt;/em&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blair, I&#8217;ve been waiting for a Starship launch with Steppenwolf&#8217;s &#8220;Magic Carpet Ride&#8221; playing in the background &#8230;. like when Zefram Cochrane launched in <em>Star Trek:  First Contact..</em></p>
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		By: Blair Ivey		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Blair Ivey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Oct 2024 07:13:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Disappointing if, on successful capture, someone doesn&#039;t make a video with &#039;Chopsticks&#039; accompaniment.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Disappointing if, on successful capture, someone doesn&#8217;t make a video with &#8216;Chopsticks&#8217; accompaniment.</p>
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		By: GaryMike		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[GaryMike]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Oct 2024 02:38:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wayne,

Hey, dude.

&quot;Bureaucrats control the banking system,...&quot;

Not the Moon-Mars banking system.

The beauty is beautiful.

To be rid of these rats is its own reward.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wayne,</p>
<p>Hey, dude.</p>
<p>&#8220;Bureaucrats control the banking system,&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Not the Moon-Mars banking system.</p>
<p>The beauty is beautiful.</p>
<p>To be rid of these rats is its own reward.</p>
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		By: Steve Richter		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve Richter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Oct 2024 23:33:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Elon and Sec of Transportation Pete Buttigieg spoke on the phone this week.
https://x.com/atrupar/status/1844040830065197168
Pete says they spoke about FEMA.  No doubt they also spoke about the FAA, an agency which sits under the Transportation Department in the federal org chart.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elon and Sec of Transportation Pete Buttigieg spoke on the phone this week.<br />
<a href="https://x.com/atrupar/status/1844040830065197168" rel="nofollow ugc">https://x.com/atrupar/status/1844040830065197168</a><br />
Pete says they spoke about FEMA.  No doubt they also spoke about the FAA, an agency which sits under the Transportation Department in the federal org chart.</p>
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		By: David Reid Ross		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Reid Ross]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Oct 2024 18:36:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[November after Election-Day looked obvious, clearly too obvious.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>November after Election-Day looked obvious, clearly too obvious.</p>
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		By: Richard M		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard M]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Oct 2024 17:19:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The Starbase team has been seen installing the Flight Termination System (FTS) on the Starship stack today. That makes it sound awfully real.

https://x.com/NASASpaceflight/status/1844036675435213016

Also intriguingly, the latest updated statement issued by the FAA no longer mentions the late November target date.

https://x.com/BCCarCounters/status/1843749799604170883]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Starbase team has been seen installing the Flight Termination System (FTS) on the Starship stack today. That makes it sound awfully real.</p>
<p><a href="https://x.com/NASASpaceflight/status/1844036675435213016" rel="nofollow ugc">https://x.com/NASASpaceflight/status/1844036675435213016</a></p>
<p>Also intriguingly, the latest updated statement issued by the FAA no longer mentions the late November target date.</p>
<p><a href="https://x.com/BCCarCounters/status/1843749799604170883" rel="nofollow ugc">https://x.com/BCCarCounters/status/1843749799604170883</a></p>
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		By: Mark Sizer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark Sizer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Oct 2024 15:34:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Musk is from South Africa. Krugerands aren&#039;t out of the question. I&#039;m not sure I would want my pay in gold, though. Withholding would be interesting.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Musk is from South Africa. Krugerands aren&#8217;t out of the question. I&#8217;m not sure I would want my pay in gold, though. Withholding would be interesting.</p>
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		By: wayne		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[wayne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Oct 2024 12:56:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[GaryMike-
Bureaucrats control the banking system, unless you start paying your employees in silver dollars and double eagles.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GaryMike-<br />
Bureaucrats control the banking system, unless you start paying your employees in silver dollars and double eagles.</p>
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		By: GaryMike		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[GaryMike]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Oct 2024 00:42:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Launch. Let the bureaucrats bitch.

They don&#039;t have a standing army, nor a police force. All they have is attitude.

Their rules, not our&#039;s.

Eph, in a round-about way, off and die, swampy.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Launch. Let the bureaucrats bitch.</p>
<p>They don&#8217;t have a standing army, nor a police force. All they have is attitude.</p>
<p>Their rules, not our&#8217;s.</p>
<p>Eph, in a round-about way, off and die, swampy.</p>
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		By: Milt		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Milt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Oct 2024 20:48:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Robert notes:

&quot;One of the key upgrades on Starship ahead of flight was a complete rework of its heatshield, with SpaceX technicians spending more than 12,000 hours replacing the entire thermal protection system with newer-generation tiles, a backup ablative layer, and additional protections between the flap structures. This massive effort, along with updates to the ship’s operations and software for reentry and landing burn, will look to improve upon the previous flight and bring Starship to a soft splashdown at the target area in the Indian Ocean.&quot;

How long, exactly, did it take SpaceX to accomplish a &quot;complete rework&quot; of Starship&#039;s heatshield and thermal protection system in time for this upcoming launch?  Contrast this to the still unresolved questions abut Orion&#039;s heat shield and NASA&#039;s -- an agency &quot;unburdened&quot; by the concepts of time or cost -- attempts to find a solution to the problem.  Not much more to be said, actually.

Per sippin_bourbon&#039;s comment, perhaps one person in ten thousand might think about voting against the Biden Administration in order to vouchsafe a successful American space program, but -- yes -- that is truly what this election is all about.  Likewise, whether or not we continue the Founders&#039; experiment with the America Republic and the rights of man.   As it is, all of the truly important things* will be decided on the basis of people&#039;s emotional responses to the candidates, pocketbook issues, and the effectiveness of the mountain of propaganda that gets spewed.   This is what happens when civics and citizenship are ignored for decades and people seek only convenience, immediate gratification, and following the herd.  Cf, the Fourth Turning and the looming crisis before us.      

*As outlined by Tucker Carlson in this address:  https://tuckercarlson.com/tucker-wisconsin-speech-]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert notes:</p>
<p>&#8220;One of the key upgrades on Starship ahead of flight was a complete rework of its heatshield, with SpaceX technicians spending more than 12,000 hours replacing the entire thermal protection system with newer-generation tiles, a backup ablative layer, and additional protections between the flap structures. This massive effort, along with updates to the ship’s operations and software for reentry and landing burn, will look to improve upon the previous flight and bring Starship to a soft splashdown at the target area in the Indian Ocean.&#8221;</p>
<p>How long, exactly, did it take SpaceX to accomplish a &#8220;complete rework&#8221; of Starship&#8217;s heatshield and thermal protection system in time for this upcoming launch?  Contrast this to the still unresolved questions abut Orion&#8217;s heat shield and NASA&#8217;s &#8212; an agency &#8220;unburdened&#8221; by the concepts of time or cost &#8212; attempts to find a solution to the problem.  Not much more to be said, actually.</p>
<p>Per sippin_bourbon&#8217;s comment, perhaps one person in ten thousand might think about voting against the Biden Administration in order to vouchsafe a successful American space program, but &#8212; yes &#8212; that is truly what this election is all about.  Likewise, whether or not we continue the Founders&#8217; experiment with the America Republic and the rights of man.   As it is, all of the truly important things* will be decided on the basis of people&#8217;s emotional responses to the candidates, pocketbook issues, and the effectiveness of the mountain of propaganda that gets spewed.   This is what happens when civics and citizenship are ignored for decades and people seek only convenience, immediate gratification, and following the herd.  Cf, the Fourth Turning and the looming crisis before us.      </p>
<p>*As outlined by Tucker Carlson in this address:  <a href="https://tuckercarlson.com/tucker-wisconsin-speech-" rel="nofollow ugc">https://tuckercarlson.com/tucker-wisconsin-speech-</a></p>
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		By: Mike Borgelt		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Borgelt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Oct 2024 20:03:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[FWIW Slightly redacted comment from another blog a few weeks ago regarding the FAA and holding up Musk:

&quot;It’s Biden. A friend of mine worked at the main FAA office in DC for a couple of years. It’s highly political, very corrupt, and the people working there are all pretty much evil.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FWIW Slightly redacted comment from another blog a few weeks ago regarding the FAA and holding up Musk:</p>
<p>&#8220;It’s Biden. A friend of mine worked at the main FAA office in DC for a couple of years. It’s highly political, very corrupt, and the people working there are all pretty much evil.&#8221;</p>
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		By: sippin_bourbon		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sippin_bourbon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Oct 2024 18:24:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You really think Biden or Harris are really in charge of anything?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You really think Biden or Harris are really in charge of anything?</p>
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		By: pzatchok		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[pzatchok]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Oct 2024 17:42:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Someone should ask Kamala about this since she is the person actually in charge of the government now.

But then again she could be the one slowing down these launches just to save the planet and keep the environmentalists on her side.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone should ask Kamala about this since she is the person actually in charge of the government now.</p>
<p>But then again she could be the one slowing down these launches just to save the planet and keep the environmentalists on her side.</p>
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		By: Steve Richter		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve Richter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Oct 2024 17:38:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think it is important that neither Kamala, the knucklehead, Biden nor his spokespeople have spoken critically of Elon.   And consider that the establishment media has not asked Kamala about Elon.   Kind of like they have been told not to.   Point being, the democrat party does not want to take on Elon directly.   Which admittedly is odd being that the white democrat base is very aware of Elon and would like very much to see the government smack him down.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it is important that neither Kamala, the knucklehead, Biden nor his spokespeople have spoken critically of Elon.   And consider that the establishment media has not asked Kamala about Elon.   Kind of like they have been told not to.   Point being, the democrat party does not want to take on Elon directly.   Which admittedly is odd being that the white democrat base is very aware of Elon and would like very much to see the government smack him down.</p>
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		By: Ray Van Dune		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ray Van Dune]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Oct 2024 17:32:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Has anyone told Joe Biden that the FAA is hassling the only aerospace company led by an African-American?! Hmmm?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has anyone told Joe Biden that the FAA is hassling the only aerospace company led by an African-American?! Hmmm?</p>
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		By: sippin_bourbon		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sippin_bourbon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Oct 2024 17:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I find it interesting that the FAA said &quot;OUR target date&quot;. Why should they have their own target date. 

I also wonder if this is not Musk playing a bit of politics also:
1 He wants to launch.
2 He is ready to launch.
3 America, look how your federal government gets in the way.
4 VOTE FOR CHANGE]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it interesting that the FAA said &#8220;OUR target date&#8221;. Why should they have their own target date. </p>
<p>I also wonder if this is not Musk playing a bit of politics also:<br />
1 He wants to launch.<br />
2 He is ready to launch.<br />
3 America, look how your federal government gets in the way.<br />
4 VOTE FOR CHANGE</p>
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		By: F		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[F]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Oct 2024 17:21:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Elon Musk, for all his intelligence and wealth, is surprisingly dense at times.

All he needs to do is revise the primary objective of Starship/Superheavy to that of the first launch platform to take an illegal alien to outer space.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elon Musk, for all his intelligence and wealth, is surprisingly dense at times.</p>
<p>All he needs to do is revise the primary objective of Starship/Superheavy to that of the first launch platform to take an illegal alien to outer space.</p>
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		By: David Eastman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Eastman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Oct 2024 17:21:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This is very interesting. There is lots of noise and rumor indicating that things are indeed happening behind the scenes and that NASA and SpaceX are both confident and this isn&#039;t just SpaceX trying to put public pressure on the FAA. On the other hand, the last thing the FAA said was, as mentioned here &quot;not happening.&quot; Although from what I&#039;ve seen, that comment from the FAA is a bit old and pre-dates SpaceX putting out their post targeting the 13th.

SpaceX is sending out notices about press access for camera setup, filing for NOTAMs, etc., which sure seems a bit beyond &quot;we&#039;re just applying pressure on the FAA.&quot; They wouldn&#039;t want to risk annoying their press contacts I would assume. 

As always, I bet there is a big disconnect between the actual workers at the FAA who do the work and interact with SpaceX and seem to actually be pretty reasonable, and the higher level DC folks who seem to be lashing out in desperation of late.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is very interesting. There is lots of noise and rumor indicating that things are indeed happening behind the scenes and that NASA and SpaceX are both confident and this isn&#8217;t just SpaceX trying to put public pressure on the FAA. On the other hand, the last thing the FAA said was, as mentioned here &#8220;not happening.&#8221; Although from what I&#8217;ve seen, that comment from the FAA is a bit old and pre-dates SpaceX putting out their post targeting the 13th.</p>
<p>SpaceX is sending out notices about press access for camera setup, filing for NOTAMs, etc., which sure seems a bit beyond &#8220;we&#8217;re just applying pressure on the FAA.&#8221; They wouldn&#8217;t want to risk annoying their press contacts I would assume. </p>
<p>As always, I bet there is a big disconnect between the actual workers at the FAA who do the work and interact with SpaceX and seem to actually be pretty reasonable, and the higher level DC folks who seem to be lashing out in desperation of late.</p>
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		By: Ray Van Dune		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ray Van Dune]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Oct 2024 16:48:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I guess we don&#039;t have to speculate too hard on nature of the quid pro quo for the $10 million the Biden family got from China, do we?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess we don&#8217;t have to speculate too hard on nature of the quid pro quo for the $10 million the Biden family got from China, do we?</p>
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		By: Brewingfrog		</title>
		<link>https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/spacex-says-it-is-targeting-october-13-2024-for-5th-starship-superheavy-launch/#comment-1524839</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brewingfrog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Oct 2024 16:45:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Will the Bureaucrats blink? Stay tuned...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will the Bureaucrats blink? Stay tuned&#8230;</p>
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