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	Comments on: SpaceX&#8217;s first stage teaches them how to land on Mars	</title>
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		By: Robert Zimmerman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert Zimmerman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jun 2016 07:48:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/spacexs-first-stage-teaches-them-how-to-land-on-mars/#comment-904499&quot;&gt;Dick Eagleson&lt;/a&gt;.

Ah yes, now that you note it I remember this plan from last year. Thank you.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/spacexs-first-stage-teaches-them-how-to-land-on-mars/#comment-904499">Dick Eagleson</a>.</p>
<p>Ah yes, now that you note it I remember this plan from last year. Thank you.</p>
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		By: Blair Ivey		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Blair Ivey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jun 2016 06:34:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Space X: officially the coolest place to work on the planet.]]></description>
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		By: Dick Eagleson		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dick Eagleson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jun 2016 06:04:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Edward: Yeah, the Mars EDL angle was there from the get-go.  NASA used a couple different aircraft equipped with radar-guided tracking cameras to get imagery of the retropropulsion burns on almost all the SpaceX 1st stage return experiments.  As with the upcoming Red Dragon mission in (one hopes) 2018, NASA and SpaceX swap all the data each gathers.

ZimmerBob: The plan to run the unmanned Dragon 2 mission to ISS preceding the in-flight abort test was announced shortly after the pad abort test last year, IIRC.  The idea is that the Dragon 2 that&#039;s going to be used for that 1st unmanned ISS rendezvous is going to be pretty much identical to the unit that actually delivers crew to ISS a few months later.  SpaceX intends to fish that first ISS-visiting Dragon 2 out of the drink, clean it up and use it for the in-flight abort test.  The reason SpaceX gave at the time for wanting to do things this way was that the Dragon 2 that makes the first unmanned ISS visit will incorporate all the operational subsystems and engineering changes of the initially operational manned version.  Re-using it for an in-flight abort test will both demonstrate Dragon 2 reusability and provide maximum fidelity so far as how a real ascent emergency would play out compared to using the same earlier-stage-of-development vehicle from the pad abort test.  Sounded reasonable to me at the time and still does.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Edward: Yeah, the Mars EDL angle was there from the get-go.  NASA used a couple different aircraft equipped with radar-guided tracking cameras to get imagery of the retropropulsion burns on almost all the SpaceX 1st stage return experiments.  As with the upcoming Red Dragon mission in (one hopes) 2018, NASA and SpaceX swap all the data each gathers.</p>
<p>ZimmerBob: The plan to run the unmanned Dragon 2 mission to ISS preceding the in-flight abort test was announced shortly after the pad abort test last year, IIRC.  The idea is that the Dragon 2 that&#8217;s going to be used for that 1st unmanned ISS rendezvous is going to be pretty much identical to the unit that actually delivers crew to ISS a few months later.  SpaceX intends to fish that first ISS-visiting Dragon 2 out of the drink, clean it up and use it for the in-flight abort test.  The reason SpaceX gave at the time for wanting to do things this way was that the Dragon 2 that makes the first unmanned ISS visit will incorporate all the operational subsystems and engineering changes of the initially operational manned version.  Re-using it for an in-flight abort test will both demonstrate Dragon 2 reusability and provide maximum fidelity so far as how a real ascent emergency would play out compared to using the same earlier-stage-of-development vehicle from the pad abort test.  Sounded reasonable to me at the time and still does.</p>
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		By: Edward		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Edward]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jun 2016 03:49:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[“So every time we land, we take one of these rockets and we perform hypersonic retrograde propulsion, the data from which we’re sharing with JPL because it’s the first time this has ever been demonstrated on a major scale.  To this end, Reisman pointed out that the Falcon 9 first stage landings are really serving as test beds for the EDL systems of eventual Mars missions.&quot;  

When SpaceX first started the ocean landings (no barge, just trying to get it vertical as it reached the water), NASA was very interested in the tests and monitored them with SpaceX approval.  SpaceX got something out of it, too, I don&#039;t quite remember, but perhaps data that NASA collected.  I don&#039;t remember them mentioning at the time that NASA was intending to use the information gathered for Martian EDL of heavy payloads.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“So every time we land, we take one of these rockets and we perform hypersonic retrograde propulsion, the data from which we’re sharing with JPL because it’s the first time this has ever been demonstrated on a major scale.  To this end, Reisman pointed out that the Falcon 9 first stage landings are really serving as test beds for the EDL systems of eventual Mars missions.&#8221;  </p>
<p>When SpaceX first started the ocean landings (no barge, just trying to get it vertical as it reached the water), NASA was very interested in the tests and monitored them with SpaceX approval.  SpaceX got something out of it, too, I don&#8217;t quite remember, but perhaps data that NASA collected.  I don&#8217;t remember them mentioning at the time that NASA was intending to use the information gathered for Martian EDL of heavy payloads.</p>
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		By: PeterF		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[PeterF]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jun 2016 03:00:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Awesome! Flash Gordon in the 21st century! Now they just need an excuse to add cool looking fins...]]></description>
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