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Sweden reintroduces textbooks & writing and reduces digital use in its schools

The smart phone: Bad for kids
The digital screen: Proven very bad for kids

Sweden has apparently greatly reduced the use of laptops and digital technology in its education system, and instead returned to teaching young children handwriting and reading using real books.

It hasn’t abandoned the use of digital technology, but shifted the focus so that children are made to use books and paper and pen. And this decision was based on what has been learned from the years where books and paper were replaced by screens and keypads.

Because after years of digitizing childhood, Sweden started asking the question we should have asked before we began: Is all this technology actually helping children learn? The research suggests the answer is not always.

Multiple meta-analyses have found a measurable advantage to reading on paper. A 2019 systematic review by Virginia Clinton examined 33 experimental studies involving 2,799 participants and found that reading from screens negatively affected comprehension compared with reading on paper, particularly for informational texts. Readers also judged their own understanding more accurately when reading from paper.

Another 2018 meta-analysis examining 17 studies similarly concluded that reading comprehension was better on paper than on screens.

Other research found the very presence of screens in classrooms acted as a distraction, not simply for the student using the computer but for other students nearby.

According to the Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) analysis of the Programme for International Student Assessment (PISA) 2022, 36.9 percent of Swedish students reported that they were distracted by digital resources in most or every mathematics lesson, compared with an OECD average of 30.5 percent.

Nearly 30 percent reported distraction caused by other students’ devices. Swedish students who reported frequent distraction from classmates’ digital use scored 16 points lower in mathematics, 15 points lower even after socioeconomic differences were taken into account. The OECD cautions that this is an association, not proof of causation, but the relationship is significant. [emphasis in original]

Sweden’s goal has not been to eliminate the use of computers, but to focus their use where they are helpful to learning. Its research also correlates well with other recent results in schools where smart phones have been banned in recent years. Behavior improves while classroom focus and the ability to pay attention sky-rockets.

This decision by Sweden, ahead of most other technological nations, mirrors its independent fact-based approach during the Covid panic. Its government did not panic, imposed no lockdowns, no mask or jab mandates, but simply focused on the infectious disease policies that had been developed over decades: Protect the vulnerable (the old and chronically ill) while letting everyone else go about their lives as normal. And as a result its response to the virus was better than everyone else, with fewer deaths and much less disruption to its society.

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34 comments

34 comments

  • Jeff Wright

    Among comfort smells of my childhood, freshly sharpened pencils stood out.

    In terms of COVID, there is scuttlebutt that Fauci was a CIA plant.

    I don’t know quite what to make of this….if you believe the worst about the CIA, they brought back the drug trade the Taliban smashed—which makes Fauci look worse.

    If, however, he was charged with spying on China and did that for American intelligence…well….just to take a grilling from Rand Paul…

  • “The digital screen: Proven very bad for kids”

    And from what I’ve seen; not all that great for adults.

  • Garry

    I’ve been teaching basic math (mostly remedial) to high school students and adults for 5+ years. I rarely use anything digital in my instruction, (my students don’t have access to computers), and I find that my students learn best from a combination of demonstration using the whiteboard and/or objects, and personal attention.

    My biggest frustration is trying to find suitable material. When I was growing up in the 70s, our math textbooks were laid out very simply, with few graphics, had a very logical sequence, and had lots of practice problems. I don’t remember any teacher ever assigning all the problems for any section; you worked on a series of problems until you mastered the skill.

    All the post 1980 textbooks I’ve found jump from one topic to another, with a distracting amount of graphics and mostly irrelevant, often woke stories. There’s no logical building of skills, and a shortage of practice problems.

    I slowly accumulate worksheets that I either find online, or make myself, which is very tedious. Many of the worksheets I find (and reject) have a horrific number of errors, and few practice problems. One of the best sources is a site that generates worksheets, but the problems are in random order and don’t build on each other. I’m not allowed to install a pdf editor on my work computer, which means I have to go to great lengths to modify the generated worksheets.

    The main problems (lack of a logical sequence of skills, a shortage of practice problems, too many distracting graphics and irrelevant stories) seem to have infused textbooks around 1980. My guess is that the textbook companies weren’t content to sell what works, and wanted to sell the latest and greatest, requiring them to completely revise everything every few years, until the sequence of skills got all of of whack.

    Technology has made this worse, although there are sites that allow you to access some tools that are useful for some students.

    One retirement project I’m considering is publishing old style math textbooks while adding lots of practical applications, targeting everybody, but focusing on prospective tradesmen.

    • Do it! I would be glad to plug it here (after seeing a review copy). Home-schoolers would for sure be interested.

      • Garry

        Thanks for the offer and encouragement, but I’m just short of 10 years until retirement, and have two other jobs, one of which I plan to keep post retirement.

        I have been meaning to do an exhaustive search for old math textbooks online and elsewhere, but somehow I never get very far before some other demand flares up.

        Your mention of home schoolers reminded me of one of the resources I use often, a series of videos targeting home schoolers called Math Antics. It’s a good example of what can be done well with technology, when it’s used to augment, rather than replace, presentation of a logical sequence of knowledge and skills. It’s very well produced, and the presenter’s manner of speaking and Dad jokes make it engaging.

        My students protest loudly whenever I show an episode, but most of them become enthralled with it once it starts. I pretend not to notice, and let them continue to think they’re rebels rather than little boys who never had a childhood.

      • john hare

        Is it possible to find the older versions and put them to use? It seems to me that this is mostly a purchasing agent problem. If the confusing crap didn’t sell, it would cease to be offered.

        Dropout (6th grade 1969) with GED that has had to show (often unsuccessfully) HS graduates how to do construction math.

      • wayne

        Garry–
        Highly encourage you to keep the Book Idea on your to-do list, and your idea about researching old textbooks is the way to go. (more & more material becomes public domain every day)
        -My grandfather was an under-employed civil-engineer during the Depression teaching at a vocational-school, and he also sold short factual “how-to” articles to Popular Mechanics & trade-publication’s dealing with wood & metal work, for extra money. “Blueprint Reading for the Metal Trades,” (1942) was his 1st formal “textbook,” very popular in trade-schools during WW2.

      • Jeff Wright

        Thank you for what you do Gary.

        I think different fonts and kerning might have helped Count Dyscalculia here learning how to deal with sets as if they were integers all their own.

        The math textbooks of my youth had equations that were the math equivalents of run-on sentences, visually speaking–in that the same typeface was used.

        That should have been the case for test questions but not for early instruction.

        Order of operations is likely another source of tears for some.

        When kids ask the importance of math in their everyday lives–they have to know that–in the end–it is an assassin that lies in wait for them in the form of the very word problems they so despise.

        No, there will never be a masked academic version of the villain of the SAW horror movie franchise handing out slips of paper with easily kerned equations on it asking for an answer

        Instead, math is lying in wait, like John Carpenter’s THE THING, hiding as your boss asking a question about widgets going out the door. Your students have to supply the easily crafted slip of paper for themselves.

        Magic tricks might engage some younglings–in that street magicians don’t just use change blindness that could allow a man in a gorilla suit to pass unnoticed.

        Magic can be algebra too.

        The trickster is actually using patter and legerdemain to “solve for x” manually–hoping the mark doesn’t see it.

    • pzatchok

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbJOpYq53jY
      This lady has done pretty much all the research you need.

      https://digital.library.pitt.edu/collection/19th-century-schoolbooks
      Pittsburgh university has a nice collection.

      And pretty much any book published before 1925 is free to reprint.

      Ebay sometimes sells those old books and I often find them in antique shops.

      Math and English structure does not change enough to matter. Classic reading does not change.

      Now sometimes you might find distasteful racist comments in the books but they can easily be taken out.

  • Cotour

    Tangentially related (As Wayne would say):

    WHAT IS A WOMAN? THEY KNOW WHAT ONE IS NOW

    https://www.sigma3ioc.com/post/what-is-a-woman-i-have-seen-this-story-before

    “And this ruthlessness particularly concerning women in attaining power and control translates in politics to the more authoritarian / Socialistic even Communistic “You will do as you are instructed”, or else model of operation. And you can clearly see that being expressed within the leadership of the Democrat party as it is taken over by the radical members of the DSA. ”

    Rejecting the “NEW” and “progressive” way of thinking especially regarding the growing intrusion of high technology is a must. The human brain, especially the young and still forming human brain is not equipped for what it has access to in todays and especially tomorrow’s world.

    It is going to be a crazy ride.

    What is a human to do?

  • Swedish authorities have apparently rediscovered the core insight in Marshall McLuhan’s classic textUnderstanding Media: The Extensions of Man.text

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Understanding_Media

    From the invention of writing and printing — not to mention the mass media of radio, TV, and social networks — to the iPad, technology literally changes how we learn, think, and comprehend the world. What Sweden has done, I suspect, is to look at this in the light of preserving their own unique culture and asking what kind of society they wish to be in the future and what kind of individuals (with what values, skills, and outlooks) will inhabit it.

    The real fork in the road, I would submit, is either to (1) let technology determine outcomes, as we are seeing in the recent hearings on the effects of social media on kids, or (2) to discern the “appropriate” uses of technology in terms of what kind of country, culture, civilization we wish to preserve / create. The latter choice, of course, assumes that we have agency in this respect and are willing to make choices, as opposed to the idea that we are merely the helpless victims of the creative destruction that new technology always
    entails.

    What kind of future American Republic would we like to see?

  • john hare

    Legalize company aptitude testing and let the victims graduates understand how they got screwed when they don’t get hired. Let those screams inform the school board.

  • Lee S

    “The government has invested hundreds of millions of kronor in textbooks and literature and says digital learning tools should be introduced only when they help rather than hinder learning”

    Visible and transparent evidence of where my tax krona are going, and proof that government does not have to be a bad thing.

    Useful “boots on ground info”…
    My lad… Soon 21..( where on earth did those years go? Seems like yesterday we were discussing his daycare!) , trained in programming, now working as a carer for a disabled guy… And considering retraining as an electrician. Thanks AI!
    My daughter, now 18 is learning media studies, she wants to work in the film industry, and is enormously creative and artistic, so I’m encouraging her to follow her dream. I think in this modern world there will always be a place for the real human in the arts.

    It is no doubt a good idea to return to basics… With the advent of AI, the promised “well paid jobs” in IT have pretty much evaporated, and I do believe that while handwriting and maths skills may be almost irrelevant these days, the very act of learning them teaches the brain how to learn.

    A side note, I have a friend in the UK in jail, ( long story..), and I am only allowed to send him hand written letters… It’s the only time I hand write more than an address on an envelope, and oh my! After 4 sides of A4 I can’t move my hand!

    • Cotour

      You have to admit when LeeS (And Sweden) is correct.

      • Lee S

        Thank you Contour…

        It’s not often I’m accused of making sense here… But this one is a no brainer… Regardless of politics, learning to learn without distractions is important.
        One more “boots on the ground” report… My kids and their peer groups seem very much less glued to their screens than I would have expected at their ages… My lad generally only uses his phone for calling…. ( This could have something to do with his girlfriend… Lol.. ) And my daughter generally only uses hers for chatting .. often in group video chat with her friends… Zero social media as such.

        ( Here I go! )…. I have always said the best solution to the problems of social media is education… I mean the legislation against young folks using that Australia and the UK and soon Europe are implementing is sure to work…. There was never a teenager in history more savvy, ( or indeed, randy!) than the folks trying to stop them accessing something… Ever!

        Education seems to be the answer to many of worries for the future. Get back to basics on general education, teach a little internet reality, and give parents the information and tools they need to inform and support their children regarding the online world. The one thing that is certain is that prohibition doesn’t work

        This is a job for parents…. The state should provide the tools, but the job itself absolutely falls to the parents.

      • Cotour

        All the best to you and them.

    • Dick Eagleson

      I’m with you on the pain of pen-and-paper writing. Old age in part and the rest the fact that written English was not designed to favor the left-hander.

      I wonder if Swedish concern for these matters isn’t driven to a fair degree by the fact that Sweden is a small country with a small, and declining, native-language-literate population. Attempts to bolster Swedish population via immigration have, to put it mildly, proven a complete bust. The Muslim invaders may learn a bit of broken Swedish to get around, but they mainly continue speaking their native dialects. As for Swedish literacy, that’s never going to happen. Most of them are probably not literate even in Arabic.

      This is an issue that will increasingly bite all of the small nations of Europe that speak distinct languages. There are quite a number of such with even smaller populations than Sweden – Norway, Finland and Denmark being three that are right nearby. The Baltic states and most of the Balkan states are in this group too.

      During the balance of the century we are going to witness the empirical determination of just how small a linguistic population can get before it starts losing things like even a single remaining national newspaper or magazine or a native-language publishing industry. The transition, now substantially complete, from dead-tree to digital media will help stave off utter extinction of such institutions for purely economic market-size reasons, but the declines will continue. Even the French and the Germans may be facing this problem by century’s end. The Portuguese and the Spaniards seem the only European linguistic groups not likely to face such a squeeze given that their respective diasporas now vastly outnumber mother-country citizens.

      • Lee S

        I somewhat agree with you Dick… I lived thru a couple of waves of immigration in the UK… And it turned out just fine… And so has Sweden… ( Indeed… Your country is built on immigration), the HUGE mistake made by the government here was to put the latest wave of immigrants into just a couple of areas… Creating ghettos… In my experience, the first wave of migrants are just happy to have escaped whatever situation caused them to flee… Happy to work , to contribute. It’s the second generation with a chip on their shoulders… Understandably so… Very little chance of finding a job.. put a bunch of disenfranchised teenagers together and it’s asking for trouble..
        I don’t think the language is a problem for these guys… It gets hammered in during school years… But they do have a “dialect”… As do I… But mine is the “right one”

        Give it another 20 years and as long as the immigration situation doesn’t get worse everything will calm down and they ( my kids included ) will all just be Swedish.

        Godless heathen that I am… I wish nothing but happiness, and the chance to build a better life for all… Regardless of colour, creed or nationality.

      • Thank you for your comments, especially as you are actually living in Sweden and are observing all of this first hand. Likewise, your comment about immigration — “the HUGE mistake made by the government here was to put the latest wave of immigrants into just a couple of areas…” would seem to be a salient one. But what, in practice, was the alternative to this? In the American experience we have had immigrant communities since day one — think of the Irish in Boston — and, geographically at least (per Little Italy and Chinatown) they are still with us even as their residents acculturated and became full-fledged Americans.

        The question that I believe that we are both raising is how to create a process of acculturation that effectively turns immigrants into functional and productive citizens as opposed to disaffected and unhappy minorities who feel no kinship / solidarity with the country, culture. and civilization that they now inhabit. Or, more simply, how do you turn immigrants into Swedes? This is the problem that we face here in the United States as well, where the “plan” — apparently — has been to (1) flood the country with new immigrants and (2) then do everything possible to make sure that they remain isolated and festering with discontent over their own cultural grievances.

        This assumes, of course, that being a Swede and being a part of Swedish culture is a good thing. Many radical leftists, on the other hand suggest, a priori, that all national cultures are bad things (cf, The 1619 Project — is there a Swedish equivalent of this?), and that no country — including yours or mine — has the “right” to ask immigrants to culturally assimilate and become”good” Swedes or Americans. God, no.

        Instead, they look forward to fostering a hodgepodge of waring identity groups*, each seeking their own special subsidies and carve-outs, including Sharia Law, without any concern for the common good, or even the recognition that such a thing as a common culture might / should obtain. This is the way that civilizations die — or civil wars begin — and, again, this seems to be the agenda of the radical left for our country if not yours.

        *Think of Hobbes’ “war of all against all.”

        PS — All of this has been said far more cogently and comprehensively in Samuel P. Huntington’s book Who Are We? The Challenges to America’s National Identity (2004), and if you haven’t read it, it is certainly worth your while. The question, again, is whether or not countries have the “right” to try to hold on to their native cultures, and the radical left maintains that they do not. It’s all just “racism” and greed, you know.

      • Lee S

        Sorry for the delay in answering Milt… I generally use my telephone as my main device, and it’s easy to miss stuff…
        Am I correct that the US has a test on US law, history and culture required for citizenship? I actually am all in favour… Sweden has a fluency test … ( Thank god they didn’t when I moved here! It’s a bloody hard language… I’m fluent now… But it took a while to get my thick head around it! )…

        If people want to move to a country, it should be obligatory to adopt the culture of that country. Lefty as I am, I absolutely believe this. The problem we have right now is the whole “ghetto” situation makes integration difficult… The correct policy should have been to spread the housing of immigrants around the country… And who knows… Perhaps a few stories of life up close to the arctic circle working in the mines or paper mills might give pause for thought!

  • Edward

    Lee S
    and proof that government does not have to be a bad thing.

    You tell us that you don’t like to talk politics, here, but then you just cannot resist trolling. I am tempted to discuss this statement of yours, but then you would only complain that I disagree with you.

    I wish you would stick with the space topics that you feel more comfortable discussing.

    • Cotour

      And then again, you must recognize the inevitable results as of BIG think Socialism and Communism:

      DEM GOVERNOR BOWS TO ISLAM AND THE DSA

      https://www.sigma3ioc.com/post/dem-governor-bows-to-islam-and-the-dsa

      “As We the People witness more and more how the Left in the form of the Democrat party leadership weakly panders to and supports the Islamic even radical Islamic agenda via the clearly stated Muslim Brotherhood agenda to invade America and usurp its Constitution. What exactly do we see?”

      Remember, there is a fine line between politics and treason. History tends to repeat itself when we are discussing the battle for political power and control and the human animal. Let’s take a look at the most recent, overt and relevant historical example that illustrates my point.

      THE RUSSIAN REVOLUTION

      • Lee S

        Oh, as I may have mentioned before… Refering to a blog post you have written yourself is… Well… Hardly academically honest.
        In this world it seems to be ok to make up your own truths… But the more intelligent amongst us prefer to seek out genuine and provable facts, rather than opinions painted as facts…. Just saying mate.

    • Lee S

      Oh my Edward..

      I understand that we will never see eye to eye on politics… Much like the most of the commentators here… But surely even you can’t say this government funded venture is a bad thing? And for myself I like to see a very useful example of where my tax money goes…
      The rest of my comments are intended to paint an optimistic picture of the future, given what I see in the younger generation, and are somewhat critical of “nanny state politics”

      Quote “I wish you would stick with the space topics that you feel more comfortable discussing.”….. I am extremely comfortable posting on the subject of policy in the land I live, and if you wish that I should not comment on one of the very few posts here regarding Sweden… Well , that says more about you than me mate!

      I hope my few, ( hopefully apolitical) observations inspire a little hope for the prospects of the next generation… They certainly do in me… From what I have seen they are generally not the screen tied zombies the media portrait.. they are intelligent, curious, and have remarkable taste in music! ( My kids favourites include Floyd, Stones, Beatles, Zappa, although unfortunately, not Prince … )

    • Lee S

      So much wrong in such a short post… Having re-read this thread I missed the straw man.. quote “I am tempted to discuss this statement of yours, but then you would only complain that I disagree with you.”…. I have never once, in my adult life complained about someone disagreeing with me… I will however always argue my corner if I believe I am in the right… If you had taken absolutely anything in from my comments here over the last couple of decades you would know I hold free speech as a basic human right. Thank you for paying attention.
      Quote “but then you just cannot resist trolling. ” …. It’s a shame you don’t understand the difference between stating a fact and trolling. I AM happy to have a tangible example of where my tax krona is being spent.. and would you disagree this is a good thing?
      How is this trolling?

      So basically, your entire post turns out to be nonsense. Your turn mate! ;-)

      • The last time several people here disagreed with you about your political positions (I think in terms of illegal immigration), you accused everyone here of making racist statements (quite falsely) and said you would no longer visit the site. You didn’t like our disagreement, complained about it, and then decided it was too much work to intellectually debate the issue. You — like all leftists — refused to engage, to actually address the facts presented to you that directly contradicted your positions. Instead, you made a false and slanderous accusation and left in a huff, like all leftists.

        And that response was typical of you in every political discussion. You make claims (often incorrect based on data and facts), and when others call you on it you always disappear, rather than address the conflict between your claims and the facts. Then, months later, you come back in a different place and make the same incorrect claims again. I expect the same response now.

      • Lee S

        Bob… I did ban myself for a time, and I have made a pact with myself not to get involved in political argument… My beef here is I don’t think I have said anything political… I’m pleased that my government is pushing “real” education… A point you made yourself. I am also pleased to see my tax krona going to good use, in a clear and open system. As it happens, our current government isn’t the one I voted for… But credit where it is due.

        The post that annoyed me to the point I left for a while was actually, and blatantly racist. I can’t be doing with that. Link me to the post and I will point out the prejudice.

        And can you, in all honesty, call me out on anything I have ever said that is demonstrably and factually incorrect? It’s true that I have sometimes dropped out of a debate… Mostly because the post has dropped off my feed, but sometimes because I feel it would be hard to continue within the rules of BTB. Any anger I might feel regarding folks attitude/belief has never, ever called them out for having them. I believe in freedom of speech absolutely. I might venomously disagree… But that’s fine.

        Once again… You guys have the absolute right to your own opinions… But I refuse to be a part of a blatantly racist discussion… Fill your boots and consider me a leftist snowflake… If I had the slightest incling my words would have had any impact on anyone in the discussion I might have stuck around… But when you pee into the wind you just get wet. I thought it was time for a break. And that is what I have done.

        I will genuinely avoid the political conversations… However this one has nothing to do with politics…. And for once I think we are all kinda in line.. but I get all kinds of BS for no apparent reason.. ( thanks Edward) ,.and I will call it out when I see it.

        If I have said anything untrue in this post.. please point out and I will apologise and explain my position….

        Wishing everyone nothing but peace and happiness… ( And glad you got home safely Bob… We cross horns… But believe it or not.. I really respect you and care for your wellbeing )

      • You asked, “And can you, in all honesty, call me out on anything I have ever said that is demonstrably and factually incorrect?”

        Yes. You repeatedly cited Hamas death statistics in Gaza as fact, when it has been repeatedly shown they are fake and unreliable. They are designed to make Israel look like the genocidal murderer, when the only genocidal murderers there are Hamas, Hezabollah, Iran, and other Palestinian groups. And when I have called you on this, you always conveniently disappear. You never engage.

        I am sure Edward can find the moment you claimed “racism” and show it was not. If it had been I know I would have taken action. But when he does I fully expect you to suddenly vanish from the discussion. You will not engage.

      • Edward

        Sorry, Robert. I am no longer interested in discussions with Lee S. Yesterday he demonstrated that he will not change his ways, and I am not willing to be trolled by him any longer.

        I’m still reading your responses to him, though. It is futile to demonstrate his own disingenuousness to him, to find his own arguments that claim those who disagree with him are racist. Whenever we point out what he said, well, he really meant something else. We point out that he said something political just to get a rise out of us, but — no! — he didn’t say anything political, despite responding to me, above, about how political the topic is. Then he hopes that his political comments — er — “observations” are “hopefully apolitical.” He claimed to be comfortable discussing these topics, but he says this after having left us for months because he was fed up with all the negativity, meaning our disagreement with him.

        He got bored while he was away, so now he is back to troll us again, especially since it is so much fun for him to to deny what he said only a couple of comments earlier — er — especially since it is so much fun to say that he meant something that he didn’t say. As with all the other leftists, he truly believes that his own fantasies are the real reality, even when they change daily or hourly.

      • Lee S

        My position on the IDF and their actions in Palestine and Lebanon has not changed…. Do you have any different numbers on civilian casualties? Laying waste to an inhabited area is not a proportional response to the horrific actions of Hamas. And the violent actions of “The Settlers” cannot be denied. My positions here are not antisemitic, they are pro innocent lives.

        My opinion on islamic fundamentalists has also not changed… They make me sick to the stomach… Hamas using innocent people as human shields is absolutely undefendable.

        I wish I had an answer, I wish anyone had an answer which didn’t involve more bloodshed.

        I feel that if you Bob, can only call me out on my statement of casualty figures in the middle east…. Well, that number depends very much on where you get your news from. I don’t think I’m doing too badly.

        Somehow this thread has gone from a good news item to the conflict in the middle east. I absolutely will continue to engage as I hate to be accused of running away from the hard questions, but given the choice I will draw a line under this and go about my day.

      • Lee S

        Absolutely nothing but a technical question… I see the website has changed a little.. is there not now a function available to you where a poster can choose to get an alert when a reply is made to a comment? It’s not BS that I really can’t be bothered to risk a sprained thumb scrolling back thru pages to see if I perhaps got a response to something I said… A notification that I had something to go, see and comment on would be very useful indeed… Just a thought…

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Note also that first time commenters as well as any comment with more than one link will be placed in moderation for my approval. Be patient, I will get to it.

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