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		By: pzatchok		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Feb 2020 05:50:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The real problems will only be seen in the far future.

Historians and scientists will look back at the data and find the real unaltered data and correct everything back. You can&#039;t do good future science with bad past data.

After that the rest of our history will look stupid. People will be asking &quot;why in the world were they so worried about global warming?&quot; The data just does not hold it up.


My great great great grand children will ask,
&quot;Dad did we leave Earth because of global warming or because everyone was stupid?&quot;
&quot;Well son, grandpa put the family on this space ship because stupid was getting contagious and he didn&#039;t want us catching it.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The real problems will only be seen in the far future.</p>
<p>Historians and scientists will look back at the data and find the real unaltered data and correct everything back. You can&#8217;t do good future science with bad past data.</p>
<p>After that the rest of our history will look stupid. People will be asking &#8220;why in the world were they so worried about global warming?&#8221; The data just does not hold it up.</p>
<p>My great great great grand children will ask,<br />
&#8220;Dad did we leave Earth because of global warming or because everyone was stupid?&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Well son, grandpa put the family on this space ship because stupid was getting contagious and he didn&#8217;t want us catching it.&#8221;</p>
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		By: hondo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[hondo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Feb 2020 06:26:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Climate change&quot; made the jump from science to a new-age religion some time ago.  It&#039;s tough to fight a &quot;religion&quot;.  Many politicians embrace it for that reason,
and it makes for good ad theater .... vote for me, or you will die from climate change - I&#039;ll save you!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Climate change&#8221; made the jump from science to a new-age religion some time ago.  It&#8217;s tough to fight a &#8220;religion&#8221;.  Many politicians embrace it for that reason,<br />
and it makes for good ad theater &#8230;. vote for me, or you will die from climate change &#8211; I&#8217;ll save you!</p>
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		By: Paul		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Feb 2020 06:22:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Unconscious biases can be very powerful, enough to mimic the appearance of outright fraud. The scientific method is still being used often and used well. There are two related problems,however, that affect many fields of study.

First, the scientific method has not been updated to apply to data mining and simulations. Such things are useful, but are subject to both conscious and unconscious  manipulation from the experimenter. Google “p-hacking” for examples. Each field needs to establish rigorous rules. Perhaps each data mining query or simulation run should be treated as an experiment, with a predetermined question, hypothesis, etc.. No fair looking at the data before the experiment runs or changing it in the middle of a run. My guess is that this is done in some fields but not others.

Second, it is the lack of knowledge of statistics. Most of my classmates in college  took calculus. I took statistics because it is useful nearly everywhere, while calculus is used in far fewer fields of study. Statistics are the mathematical heart of science. It is a very interesting field of study when presented well  Just try to find out how likely it is that two members of a class of 30 will share the same birthday...the answer may surprise you. Fortunately, this is starting to change...I hear the new ACT &#038; SAT will have more questions on data interpretation.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unconscious biases can be very powerful, enough to mimic the appearance of outright fraud. The scientific method is still being used often and used well. There are two related problems,however, that affect many fields of study.</p>
<p>First, the scientific method has not been updated to apply to data mining and simulations. Such things are useful, but are subject to both conscious and unconscious  manipulation from the experimenter. Google “p-hacking” for examples. Each field needs to establish rigorous rules. Perhaps each data mining query or simulation run should be treated as an experiment, with a predetermined question, hypothesis, etc.. No fair looking at the data before the experiment runs or changing it in the middle of a run. My guess is that this is done in some fields but not others.</p>
<p>Second, it is the lack of knowledge of statistics. Most of my classmates in college  took calculus. I took statistics because it is useful nearly everywhere, while calculus is used in far fewer fields of study. Statistics are the mathematical heart of science. It is a very interesting field of study when presented well  Just try to find out how likely it is that two members of a class of 30 will share the same birthday&#8230;the answer may surprise you. Fortunately, this is starting to change&#8230;I hear the new ACT &amp; SAT will have more questions on data interpretation.</p>
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		By: wayne		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[wayne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Feb 2020 04:06:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Being There 
&quot;There will be growth, in the Spring&quot;
https://youtu.be/YgGvd1UPZ88
2:27]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being There<br />
&#8220;There will be growth, in the Spring&#8221;<br />
<a href="https://youtu.be/YgGvd1UPZ88" rel="nofollow ugc">https://youtu.be/YgGvd1UPZ88</a><br />
2:27</p>
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		By: wayne		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[wayne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Feb 2020 04:00:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;We&#039;re a team: Greta Thunberg visits Barack Obama&quot;
September 2019
https://youtu.be/8RGbAMS2gGg
1:12

We need to increase Federal spending on R&#038;D. 
(Render &#038; Disappear, that is....)
 ((so to speak))]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;We&#8217;re a team: Greta Thunberg visits Barack Obama&#8221;<br />
September 2019<br />
<a href="https://youtu.be/8RGbAMS2gGg" rel="nofollow ugc">https://youtu.be/8RGbAMS2gGg</a><br />
1:12</p>
<p>We need to increase Federal spending on R&amp;D.<br />
(Render &amp; Disappear, that is&#8230;.)<br />
 ((so to speak))</p>
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		By: wayne		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[wayne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Feb 2020 03:52:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[commodude--
speaking of steam---

Diesel Punk
(because steam wasn&#039;t dirty enough)
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/75/26/cd/7526cde79bb3767bd5bd20c16ca0eebf.jpg]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>commodude&#8211;<br />
speaking of steam&#8212;</p>
<p>Diesel Punk<br />
(because steam wasn&#8217;t dirty enough)<br />
<a href="https://i.pinimg.com/736x/75/26/cd/7526cde79bb3767bd5bd20c16ca0eebf.jpg" rel="nofollow ugc">https://i.pinimg.com/736x/75/26/cd/7526cde79bb3767bd5bd20c16ca0eebf.jpg</a></p>
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		By: Edward		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Edward]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Feb 2020 00:43:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Robert wrote: &quot;&lt;i&gt;intellectual honesty and the real scientific method has been replaced by an agenda-driven political manipulations.&lt;/i&gt;&quot; 

There is something terribly wrong when scientists allow blatantly fudged data to stand as reality.  We are hearing stories of people submitting bogus papers to journals for publication, and those bogus papers being accepted and published, showing that our science journals are not doing their job of vetting good research from bad.  So it is not surprising that we keep hearing of papers that are retracted due to sloppy workmanship or bad scientific methodology.  

It is a terrible thing that all this bad science is being accepted by our researchers and by those who fund and employ them.  
https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/the-moral-and-intellectual-decline-of-american-academic-research/

Cassandra, 
The fifth graph in the following link is the chart you mentioned:
https://realclimatescience.com/2016/12/100-of-us-warming-is-due-to-noaa-data-tampering/
&lt;i&gt;The adjustments correlate almost perfectly with atmospheric CO2. NOAA is adjusting the data to match global warming theory. This is known as PBEM (Policy Based Evidence Making.)&lt;/i&gt; 

This shows that the data has been fudged in order to correspond with political agendas of those who provide the funding for scientific research into what is described as an &quot;existential&quot; problem.  By their own description of the problem, our very existence depends upon the decisions that are based upon bogus conclusions from fudged data.  

As they said in the 1986 version of the movie &lt;i&gt;The Fly&lt;/i&gt; sometime after the experiment was done sloppily: 
Tawny (or is she Greta Thunberg?): &lt;i&gt;I&#039;m afraid.&lt;/i&gt;

Seth Brundle (or is he a politician telling Greta that all will be OK, but only if everyone obeys government&#039;s orders?): &lt;i&gt;Don&#039;t be afraid.&lt;/i&gt;

Ronnie (or is she the scientist who realizes that the government&#039;s orders are based upon fudged science?): &lt;i&gt;No. Be afraid. Be very afraid.&lt;/i&gt; 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--hMJPUBwMc (6 seconds) 

Star Bird, 
No wonder they want all skeptics silenced.  No one will be afraid of the bad decisions made by politicians, once the skeptics are silenced, because no one will realize that they are bad decisions.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert wrote: &#8220;<i>intellectual honesty and the real scientific method has been replaced by an agenda-driven political manipulations.</i>&#8221; </p>
<p>There is something terribly wrong when scientists allow blatantly fudged data to stand as reality.  We are hearing stories of people submitting bogus papers to journals for publication, and those bogus papers being accepted and published, showing that our science journals are not doing their job of vetting good research from bad.  So it is not surprising that we keep hearing of papers that are retracted due to sloppy workmanship or bad scientific methodology.  </p>
<p>It is a terrible thing that all this bad science is being accepted by our researchers and by those who fund and employ them.<br />
<a href="https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/the-moral-and-intellectual-decline-of-american-academic-research/" rel="ugc">https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/the-moral-and-intellectual-decline-of-american-academic-research/</a></p>
<p>Cassandra,<br />
The fifth graph in the following link is the chart you mentioned:<br />
<a href="https://realclimatescience.com/2016/12/100-of-us-warming-is-due-to-noaa-data-tampering/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://realclimatescience.com/2016/12/100-of-us-warming-is-due-to-noaa-data-tampering/</a><br />
<i>The adjustments correlate almost perfectly with atmospheric CO2. NOAA is adjusting the data to match global warming theory. This is known as PBEM (Policy Based Evidence Making.)</i> </p>
<p>This shows that the data has been fudged in order to correspond with political agendas of those who provide the funding for scientific research into what is described as an &#8220;existential&#8221; problem.  By their own description of the problem, our very existence depends upon the decisions that are based upon bogus conclusions from fudged data.  </p>
<p>As they said in the 1986 version of the movie <i>The Fly</i> sometime after the experiment was done sloppily:<br />
Tawny (or is she Greta Thunberg?): <i>I&#8217;m afraid.</i></p>
<p>Seth Brundle (or is he a politician telling Greta that all will be OK, but only if everyone obeys government&#8217;s orders?): <i>Don&#8217;t be afraid.</i></p>
<p>Ronnie (or is she the scientist who realizes that the government&#8217;s orders are based upon fudged science?): <i>No. Be afraid. Be very afraid.</i><br />
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--hMJPUBwMc" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=&#8211;hMJPUBwMc</a> (6 seconds) </p>
<p>Star Bird,<br />
No wonder they want all skeptics silenced.  No one will be afraid of the bad decisions made by politicians, once the skeptics are silenced, because no one will realize that they are bad decisions.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Star Bird]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Feb 2020 22:33:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The  facts  that  the  Democrats and  the  Eco-Freaks  want  all  skeptics  silenced  over  this  Global Warming/Climate Change scam     that&#039;s  why  they  want to monitor the Internet  so only  the tue  Climate Change   beleivers  are   heard]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The  facts  that  the  Democrats and  the  Eco-Freaks  want  all  skeptics  silenced  over  this  Global Warming/Climate Change scam     that&#8217;s  why  they  want to monitor the Internet  so only  the tue  Climate Change   beleivers  are   heard</p>
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		By: commodude		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[commodude]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Feb 2020 19:29:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[BTW, the correct acronym is now STEAM, Science, Technology, ARTS, and Math. 

Art is a hard science equal to engineering and math. (/sarcasm)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, the correct acronym is now STEAM, Science, Technology, ARTS, and Math. </p>
<p>Art is a hard science equal to engineering and math. (/sarcasm)</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Phill O]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Feb 2020 18:00:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Steve S  STEM?  Statistical analysis?]]></description>
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		By: Steve S		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve S]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Feb 2020 17:54:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Discarding the outliers and focusing analysis on the remaining data is a denial of reality. This was a point that was hammered home early in any STEM classes that I took. Is that concept no longer taught in the universities?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Discarding the outliers and focusing analysis on the remaining data is a denial of reality. This was a point that was hammered home early in any STEM classes that I took. Is that concept no longer taught in the universities?</p>
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		By: wayne		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[wayne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Feb 2020 17:35:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The Grapes of Wrath
-last scene 
https://youtu.be/hvnpprHIK24
2:16]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Grapes of Wrath<br />
-last scene<br />
<a href="https://youtu.be/hvnpprHIK24" rel="nofollow ugc">https://youtu.be/hvnpprHIK24</a><br />
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		By: Alan Prendergast		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alan Prendergast]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Feb 2020 15:44:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I wonder if they&#039;ll be rewriting the history of the Dust-Bowl years - from 1930-1936 to erase the drought and heat records.

I&#039;d never seen that date before as the record hot year - but 1934 screamed &quot;Dust Bowl&quot; in my head.
I&#039;m not surprised that the two are coincident. 

When us oldsters croak they can confidently make up even more &#039;facts&#039; since none of us will be around to refute them.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if they&#8217;ll be rewriting the history of the Dust-Bowl years &#8211; from 1930-1936 to erase the drought and heat records.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d never seen that date before as the record hot year &#8211; but 1934 screamed &#8220;Dust Bowl&#8221; in my head.<br />
I&#8217;m not surprised that the two are coincident. </p>
<p>When us oldsters croak they can confidently make up even more &#8216;facts&#8217; since none of us will be around to refute them.</p>
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		By: Cassandra		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cassandra]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Feb 2020 14:30:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Tony Heller plots the temperature adjustments vs CO2 concentration, and it&#039;s a practically perfect linear fit. You&#039;ve got to see it to believe it. Proof positive of the bias in the adjustments. Maybe this author can revise this article to include it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tony Heller plots the temperature adjustments vs CO2 concentration, and it&#8217;s a practically perfect linear fit. You&#8217;ve got to see it to believe it. Proof positive of the bias in the adjustments. Maybe this author can revise this article to include it.</p>
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		By: Gary		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gary]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Feb 2020 13:35:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Skeptics knew about the adjustments years before 2017 and criticized them in the blogosphere, but couldn&#039;t get a hearing elsewhere.  The truth was overwhelmed by the propaganda and aggressive push-back by the small number of interconnected alarmist scientists, governments, politicians, media, and the educational system.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Skeptics knew about the adjustments years before 2017 and criticized them in the blogosphere, but couldn&#8217;t get a hearing elsewhere.  The truth was overwhelmed by the propaganda and aggressive push-back by the small number of interconnected alarmist scientists, governments, politicians, media, and the educational system.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[wayne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Feb 2020 13:32:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Greta Thunberg, off script
https://youtu.be/sohBiFEHl7s
1:24

&quot;I can&#039;t speak on behalf of everyone...&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greta Thunberg, off script<br />
<a href="https://youtu.be/sohBiFEHl7s" rel="nofollow ugc">https://youtu.be/sohBiFEHl7s</a><br />
1:24</p>
<p>&#8220;I can&#8217;t speak on behalf of everyone&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		By: pzatchok		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[pzatchok]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[I welcome the new inquisition and the coming dark ages. 

Our children will save us! Yeah!!!

Greta will lead us into the new future.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I welcome the new inquisition and the coming dark ages. </p>
<p>Our children will save us! Yeah!!!</p>
<p>Greta will lead us into the new future.</p>
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		By: Phill O		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Phill O]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Feb 2020 03:47:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Interesting to note of the hottest year being in the early 1900s.  This corresponds to the maximum rate of recession of the Athabasca glacier being before 1950.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting to note of the hottest year being in the early 1900s.  This corresponds to the maximum rate of recession of the Athabasca glacier being before 1950.</p>
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