Today’s blacklisted American: Louisiana health company to punish employees with unvaccinated spouses
Death camps are coming for the unclean unvaccinated.
They’re coming for you next: A Louisiana hospital system, Ochsner Health Systems, has informed its employees that they will be fined $100 per salary check for having an unvaccinated spouse on their health plan.
From the memo sent to all employees:
New in 2022: Ochsner is implementing a new Spousal COVId Vaccine Fee as part of its 2022 medical plan premiums. This means, if a spouse/domestic partner is covered by one of our medical plans in 2022 and unvaccinated against COVID-19, a $100-per-pay-period fee will apply.
The chutzpah and irrationality of this policy is really beyond words. Aren’t you supposed to be protected from COVID if vaccinated? If so, what risk is there to the company’s employed if their spouse happens to unvaccinated?
The company could claim that this $100 fine per paycheck is to cover the increased costs for treating these unvaccinated spouses, but on what basis do they have for establishing that number? I can see none, especially since almost no healthy people actually die from the Wuhan virus. In most cases an unvaccinated person will simply quickly recover (as we do with the flu), and not need any significant medical treatment. Furthermore, that unvaccinated person will now have natural antibodies, and will be far less likely to get sick again from COVID compared to the vaccinated, thus likely be saving the company some medical cost.
Charging employees $5,200 per year (assuming they issue weekly paychecks) for these costs is thus clearly political and not economic. The company wants to punish employees who do not obey its orders, even if those orders are not based on any rational facts.
It appears however that some of Ochsner’s employees are unwilling to obey. The article gives one example of a medical doctor who intends to defy their edict. To quote his tweet,
So #OchsnerHealth will terminate my staff privileges at their Kenner facility where I have been on staff since 1987 & paid rent to them for 21 years. I am not turning in my health info or vaccine status to their admins.
I could retire now. But now…NFW
Hopefully we might also see some lawsuits down the road. At a minimum we should see this company suddenly discover it has a staffing shortage because many of its employees will leave for another job rather than have their spouses be forced to take medicine they do not wish to take. Absurd policies like this must be resisted hard, by everyone.
In the end, such policies are dividing our society into two classes, the privileged vaccinated and the oppressed unvaccinated. Such a division is unhealthy, unjust, and based on an irrational ignorance of facts. Sadly, it is the direction we are going. As I have said repeatedly, the next steps will be isolation, then arrest, then death camps, to keep these unclean unvaccinated individuals away from the clean and pure.
All based on an irrational fear of a disease that in the end is really not much different than the flu. And if you don’t believe me, consider this minor fact stated by Senator Rand Paul (R-Kentucky) in his questioning of Health and Human Services Secretary Xavier Becerra at a hearing yesterday
You presume somehow to tell over 100 million Americans who survived COVID that we have no right to determine our own medical care.
That’s right, 100 million Americans have survived COVID. That’s almost one third of the country’s population. Obviously, the Wuhan virus is not the “deadly” disease that news outlets and Democratic Party politicians keep saying it is. The only people it is deadly to are the old and sick, just like the flu. For 99% or more of the population it is relatively harmless, just like the flu.
The only reason we are not responding to it the same way as with the flu, with reasoned actions designed to protect that vulnerable population while letting everyone else continue their normal and free lives, is because radical and power-hungry Democrats like Xavier Becerra want to use it as hammer to smash any opposition to them.
Its the flu, people. Get over your fear and live again. And stop letting these thugs tell you what to do.
On Christmas Eve 1968 three Americans became the first humans to visit another world. What they did to celebrate was unexpected and profound, and will be remembered throughout all human history. Genesis: the Story of Apollo 8, Robert Zimmerman's classic history of humanity's first journey to another world, tells that story, and it is now available as both an ebook and an audiobook, both with a foreword by Valerie Anders and a new introduction by Robert Zimmerman.
The print edition can be purchased at Amazon. from any other book seller, or direct from my ebook publisher, ebookit.
The ebook is available everywhere for $5.99 (before discount) at amazon, or direct from my ebook publisher, ebookit. If you buy it from ebookit you don't support the big tech companies and the author gets a bigger cut much sooner.
The audiobook is also available at all these vendors, and is also free with a 30-day trial membership to Audible.
"Not simply about one mission, [Genesis] is also the history of America's quest for the moon... Zimmerman has done a masterful job of tying disparate events together into a solid account of one of America's greatest human triumphs."--San Antonio Express-News
Death camps are coming for the unclean unvaccinated.
They’re coming for you next: A Louisiana hospital system, Ochsner Health Systems, has informed its employees that they will be fined $100 per salary check for having an unvaccinated spouse on their health plan.
From the memo sent to all employees:
New in 2022: Ochsner is implementing a new Spousal COVId Vaccine Fee as part of its 2022 medical plan premiums. This means, if a spouse/domestic partner is covered by one of our medical plans in 2022 and unvaccinated against COVID-19, a $100-per-pay-period fee will apply.
The chutzpah and irrationality of this policy is really beyond words. Aren’t you supposed to be protected from COVID if vaccinated? If so, what risk is there to the company’s employed if their spouse happens to unvaccinated?
The company could claim that this $100 fine per paycheck is to cover the increased costs for treating these unvaccinated spouses, but on what basis do they have for establishing that number? I can see none, especially since almost no healthy people actually die from the Wuhan virus. In most cases an unvaccinated person will simply quickly recover (as we do with the flu), and not need any significant medical treatment. Furthermore, that unvaccinated person will now have natural antibodies, and will be far less likely to get sick again from COVID compared to the vaccinated, thus likely be saving the company some medical cost.
Charging employees $5,200 per year (assuming they issue weekly paychecks) for these costs is thus clearly political and not economic. The company wants to punish employees who do not obey its orders, even if those orders are not based on any rational facts.
It appears however that some of Ochsner’s employees are unwilling to obey. The article gives one example of a medical doctor who intends to defy their edict. To quote his tweet,
So #OchsnerHealth will terminate my staff privileges at their Kenner facility where I have been on staff since 1987 & paid rent to them for 21 years. I am not turning in my health info or vaccine status to their admins.
I could retire now. But now…NFW
Hopefully we might also see some lawsuits down the road. At a minimum we should see this company suddenly discover it has a staffing shortage because many of its employees will leave for another job rather than have their spouses be forced to take medicine they do not wish to take. Absurd policies like this must be resisted hard, by everyone.
In the end, such policies are dividing our society into two classes, the privileged vaccinated and the oppressed unvaccinated. Such a division is unhealthy, unjust, and based on an irrational ignorance of facts. Sadly, it is the direction we are going. As I have said repeatedly, the next steps will be isolation, then arrest, then death camps, to keep these unclean unvaccinated individuals away from the clean and pure.
All based on an irrational fear of a disease that in the end is really not much different than the flu. And if you don’t believe me, consider this minor fact stated by Senator Rand Paul (R-Kentucky) in his questioning of Health and Human Services Secretary Xavier Becerra at a hearing yesterday
You presume somehow to tell over 100 million Americans who survived COVID that we have no right to determine our own medical care.
That’s right, 100 million Americans have survived COVID. That’s almost one third of the country’s population. Obviously, the Wuhan virus is not the “deadly” disease that news outlets and Democratic Party politicians keep saying it is. The only people it is deadly to are the old and sick, just like the flu. For 99% or more of the population it is relatively harmless, just like the flu.
The only reason we are not responding to it the same way as with the flu, with reasoned actions designed to protect that vulnerable population while letting everyone else continue their normal and free lives, is because radical and power-hungry Democrats like Xavier Becerra want to use it as hammer to smash any opposition to them.
Its the flu, people. Get over your fear and live again. And stop letting these thugs tell you what to do.
On Christmas Eve 1968 three Americans became the first humans to visit another world. What they did to celebrate was unexpected and profound, and will be remembered throughout all human history. Genesis: the Story of Apollo 8, Robert Zimmerman's classic history of humanity's first journey to another world, tells that story, and it is now available as both an ebook and an audiobook, both with a foreword by Valerie Anders and a new introduction by Robert Zimmerman.
The print edition can be purchased at Amazon. from any other book seller, or direct from my ebook publisher, ebookit. The ebook is available everywhere for $5.99 (before discount) at amazon, or direct from my ebook publisher, ebookit. If you buy it from ebookit you don't support the big tech companies and the author gets a bigger cut much sooner.
The audiobook is also available at all these vendors, and is also free with a 30-day trial membership to Audible.
"Not simply about one mission, [Genesis] is also the history of America's quest for the moon... Zimmerman has done a masterful job of tying disparate events together into a solid account of one of America's greatest human triumphs."--San Antonio Express-News
So now I am being punished for someone else’s problem?
How many men out there would be willing to tell their wife what to wear let alone tell them what drugs to take?
So now your boss feels that they can make you do that?
I am a first time commenter, i don’t need your F———–approval! This is America! You do not haven permission to decide what I am allowed to say!!!!!! If you don’t like it-COME GET ME!
With the French Revolution, evil leftism came as a clearly identifiable political force in the world.
In this context, however, the so-called “Enlightenment” must not be left aside, because it created not only leftism (socialism, communism) but also liberalism. Together both form the so-called “progressive” political force destructive to nations and societies. Both are based on philosophical materialism.
I would like to refer to a short video here by introducing Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821) to this very interested audience of this blog. Joseph de Maistre is one of the fathers of conservatism alongside Edmund Burke. Joseph de Maistre’s live and work was dedicated to the opposition against the destructive forces of the French Revolution and Enlightenment.
A question for the blog: What role does the reference to God as a reason for their sovereignty play in the American Declaration of Independence and the founding of the United States?
Introduction to Joseph de Maistre:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ifljdrRUFA
This is long since settled as a matter of law. A firm back in the Nineties announced that it wouldn’t cover the increased premiums for smokers, heavy drinkers and unhealthy eaters (ie- the obese) and workers were told to shape upwithin a certain period and applicants what the terms of employment were. Taken to court, they won. Yes, even if it is on your own time and off premises, they can do that. So caccinations, hardly a stretch.
https://www.johnwenke.com/smokers-and-obese-need-not-apply/
Britain’s NHS would deny service to smokers and obese. Die, you deplorable! Or eat frankenfood (soy “burgers”, etc”) like me!
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2012/apr/28/doctors-treatment-denial-smokers-obese
Voluntary health risks, who should pay?
https://www.scu.edu/ethics/focus-areas/bioethics/resources/voluntary-health-risks-who-should-pay/
Speaking of Frankenfood, it’s interesting to see how the Left goes ballistic over some food additives, but other additives dumped into vegetable matter for taste and texture (“Meatless Burgers”) are acceptable. Mayve “Soylent Green” was prophecy….
Full Disclosure
From age 12 ro 18 I got anti-allergy shots every week, (They worked) So I have no fear of needles
As a ex-career soldier, I got shots for everything on Earth. It was a condition of employment and I accepted it as such
I am a Wuhan Flu survivor (last March)
My best friend died from it (we were both over 65 and have underlying health problems)
I also got the COVID shots in July (Why not? If it doesn’t work, what have I lost? It’s paid for by your taxes folks, so you;ve already paid for it) and I’ll get the booster in a couple of months
I plan to get the annual Flu shot next week, when i see my doctor (Again, why not?)
It seems people are so afraid of the unvaxxed, all the while being vaxxed themselves. Makes zero sense in a logical world. My question is the same question Michael Knowles asked the other day…How many break through cases do there need to be before we are allowed to question the strength of the barrier through which they are breaking?
The formula is – there is a direct correlation between trying to unreasonably control and criticize others and the number of amoral, illegal and embarrassing secrets a person possesses. The head of the Ochsner Health Systems should be asked what he is hiding. Could it possibly involve another woman?
Liberals know no boundaries in trying to inflict their insanity on the rest of the world. We have to stand up for our rights and fight this ridiculous thinking that anyone can tell another they have to take the experimental RDNA shot. Notice to all – this is not a vaccine. Read what a vaccine does and how they are made and then read what this RDNA shot does and how it is made. There is a huge difference and to say otherwise is to lie. Notice also that one shot is not enough – Big Pharma wants 2 shots and then a booster shot, none of which will keep anyone from contracting the Wuhan flu. More fully-shot up people are dying from the Wuhan flu than are dying from NOT being shot up. Now, why would that be, do you suppose?
My daughter (presently)works for Ochsner, she is paid twice a month. In January she is GONE.
RAND PAUL, LIBERAL, LEFTIST DEMOCRAT SLAYER
Rand Paul eviscerates the head of HHS Sec. Becerra on the subject of Covid and the emerging facts about natural immunity which Becerra is apparently unable to detect with all of the resources and “experts” at his command.
https://youtu.be/ml1W0k0yaJk 6 Minutes of unrelenting truth.
Do as I say, you will submit, is the governments only point of view.
Government at its best is a blunt instrument, like removing an eye lash from your eye with a hammer.
And at its worst will enslave you and rob you of your freedom. And that is precisely and fundamentally what the Constitution is designed to prevent.
And that is exactly what many in America are now realizing because they can no longer not see what is plainly before their own eyes.
If we had a functioning Federal government and if we still had Rule of Law in this country. the US department of Labor would hit them hard for unfair labor practices.
Isn’t this extortion? And isn’t extortion a crime in Louisiana? Oh, I forgot, the rules don’t apply to the well connected.
Actual data contradicts the CDC position on Covid V Vaccination V Natural immunity.
https://youtu.be/9bamaEMftg4 Dr. John Campbell, not exactly happy with how the CDC chooses to interpret data.
Retail, individual medicine V Wholesale, collective medicine.
They didn’t supend HIPPA so I dunno why any of these ignorant American morons would comply. Bunch of pathetic sheep being led to slaughter.
Cotour and Privateer:
Today – as so often – I walked around in a large shopping mall for about 2 hours (not in the shops themselves). Without a mask, of course, although it is forbidden! I was the only one, although I passed hundreds people in that time. What’s wrong with the people? All stupid sheep who let themselves be led to the slaughter? The positive: nobody dared to speak to me about the missing mask. I can’t say how much fun this little rebellion against general insanity was.
davedutchess
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Posts with two links are also paused for approval.
I am a first time commenter, i don’t need your F———–approval!
Yes, you do. Bob Zimmerman owns this site. His rules are final
You are already in violation of Bob’s cursing rule
This is America! You do not haven permission to decide what I am allowed to say!!!!!!
See above
If you don’t like it-COME GET ME!
He will
“What role does the reference to God as a reason for their sovereignty play in the American Declaration of Independence and the founding of the United States?”–Questioner
“Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”–John Adams
Christianity was a very revolutionary religion when it was founded–and still is, today. Not in the way that the Marxist religion is, but revolutionary in the sense that it was very, very different from anything else that had come before or that has come since. In particular (for the purposes of this topic), certain points really stand out:
*Everyone will be judged.
*The judge knows all and sees all, including everyone’s thoughts.
*Everyone WILL be found guilty, because everyone has committed some form of sin (and yes, committing sins in your imagination counts).
*You MAY be granted a pardon, if you acknowledged the authority of the judge, confessed your guilt, begged for mercy, and tried to stop sinning while you were still alive.
As part of this… “probation”, let’s call it… you are called upon to do certain things throughout your life, like loving your neighbor, caring for people who are worse off than you, treating others as you would wish for them to treat you, and refraining from things like adultery, murder, perjury, and theft (or even just envy). For more information, look up “shame culture vs guilt culture”.
Left solely to their own devices, people can get really nasty to each other. “Me against my brother, me and my brother against my cousins, etc.”. This leads to tribalism. Christianity, almost uniquely, offered a mechanism by which people from vastly different tribes could interact together in a “high-trust society” (look that up, too). And while the split between the RCC and Protestant branches got very nasty at times (admittedly, it was often used as an excuse for people to do nasty things they already wanted to do in the first place; see: Thirty Years’ War), there was something of a religious awakening in His Majesty’s American Colonies in the mid-17th century that placed an emphasis on the above points, while de-emphasizing the RCC’s use of human (and therefore eminently fallible) intermediaries to dispense the pardons. This led directly to what Tocqueville described as a culture in which individuals came together on their own to form temporary groups as needed, get things done, and then dissolved those groups and joined others when the need had passed. Things were generally handled at the lowest level of organization possible, just like a free market handles buying and selling decisions at the lowest level possible (compared to a directed economy). It. Just. Worked.
But without that culture, or the resultant high-trust society that it created, things fall apart. No earthly power can read the hearts and minds of men and threaten them with eternal punishment for their misdeeds; anyone who is tempted by an opportunity to behave badly, whether a common thief or a corrupt tyrant, can therefore be checked ONLY by the threat of punishment (ultimately, physical violence) by other men… who are themselves corruptible. Without the majority fearing a perfect, incorruptible judge, the center cannot hold. The results are obvious: those in power become more blatantly corrupt and tyrannical over time, as they become less afraid.
Hayek, Friedman, and Sowell all warned of this. So did Orwell, although he could not bring himself to see that it was an inherent result of his beloved socialism. The only way out is probably to educate the next generations, which at this point really means somehow putting an end to the current system of indoctrination. Otherwise… well, Orwell was wrong about the boot stamping on the human face “forever”; his Party would have either torn itself apart as future generations of Inner Party members quarreled over power, or it would have collapsed due to economic mismanagement, or perhaps Oceania would be invaded and conquered by a less foolish (and therefore stronger) power.
And that is why God was so important to the Founders. They may not have foreseen the horrors of socialism (the Terror and its fallout caught most of them by surprise), but they understood that without a supernatural force to keep people in line, a human–and therefore, tragically fallible–force is required, instead.
A. Nonymous:
Thank you very much for your very detailed and interesting discussion of the importance of God in establishing the state order in the United States. I am a little surprised because I still remember that the majority of the founding fathers were supposed to have been Freemasons. But I have not a very deep knowledge of the American Constitution or the Declaration of Independence, so I have to ask again more precisely: Is the sovereignty of the United States – in the strict legal sense – derived from God in the documents mentioned, as Joseph de Maistre considers necessary?
In accordance to what you write about the role of Christianity in stabilizing societies, there are various quotes from Joseph de Maistre – who called for the ultimate authority of the Pope in temporal matters – which I bring below:
“Wherever an altar is found, there civilization exists.”
“Man in general, if reduced to himself, is too wicked to be free.”
“Man is insatiable for power; he is infantile in his desires and, always discontented with what he has, loves only what he has not. People complain of the despotism of princes; they ought to complain of the despotism of man. We are all born despots, from the most absolute monarch in Asia to the infant who smothers a bird with its hand for the pleasure of seeing that there exists in the world a being weaker than itself. ”
“Man cannot be wicked without being evil, nor evil without being degraded, nor degraded without being punished, nor punished without being guilty. In short … there is nothing so intrinsically plausible as the theory of original sin. ”
“All grandeur, all power, and all subordination to authority rests on the executioner: he is the horror and the bond of human association. Remove this incomprehensible agent from the world and at that very moment order gives way to chaos, thrones topple and society disappears. ”
“We are all bound to the throne of the Supreme Being by a flexible chain which restrains without enslaving us. The most wonderful aspect of the universal scheme of things is the action of free beings under divine guidance.”
“Man in harmony with his Creator is sublime, and his action is creative; equally, once he separates himself from God and acts alone, he does not cease to be powerful, since this is the privilege of his nature, but his acts are negative and lead only to destruction. ”
“How strange is the blindness of men in our age. They boast of their knowledge, and are ignorant of everything, since they are ignorant of themselves. They know not what they are, nor what they can do. An invincible pride bears them on continually to overthrow every thing which they have not made; and in order to work out new creations, they separate themselves from the source of all existence.”
I dedicate this link to the commentator “Cotour”, the last defender of the American constitution, who is also a conservative in his self-image. The newly published work has forewords by the Polish politician Tomasz Poręba (MEP) and the Polish political scientist Jacek Kloczkowski.
Joseph De Maistre: “Essay on the Generative Principle of Political Constitutions”
https://newdirection.online/2018-publications-pdf/ND-JosephDeMaistre.pdf
A (continued) money-grab. It’s always about the money and not people.
A. Nonymous: A very well thought out and insightful comment.
Questioner: Thank you for the dedication, I will take some time a read that piece.
The Constitution is a fairly simple document once you *SEE* it for what it is. The first thing the Constitution structures is eternal political warfare, by design. And through that structured and intentional eternal struggle and contention is where all of our salvation lies. As counter intuitive as that may sound.
(I always wonder if the Founders stumbled into that structure as a function of what they intended, or if they clearly intended it. Which ever is so it was and remains brilliant!)
When there is no contention and government appears to be operating smoothly and without any road blocks to agendas that is the moment that you understand that all is lost and our government essentially owns us all and what ever freedom we enjoy as a people exist purely at the whim of those who are “Approved” and have been politically empowered / installed. (SEE: Australia, stay tuned on where that situation goes).
What is the Constitution? The Constitution is the counter balance to the nature of man regarding governance and political power.
What is the nature of man related to governance and political power? IT WILL BE ABUSED.
Politics: DEF: Politics is the dirtiest, filthiest most corrupt activity that human beings participate in.
As soon as we all clearly, objectively and unemotionally understand these simple principles of human nature and politics the ability of the political aspirant and the already politically empowered to execute the “two conversations” in order to install their political agenda and vision is short circuited.
And in that short circuiting and those road blocks and the need to achieve compromise and a two thirds agreement and not consensus there is hope.
(Unemotional! Ha! Emotion is the trait / tool that is leveraged by the psychological manipulators in politics to fashion into their most effective weapon of manipulation. Human beings are if anything, emotional)
“What role does the reference to God as a reason for their sovereignty play in the American Declaration of Independence and the founding of the United States?”–Questioner
Well lets keep this simple.
God as referenced is the giver and creator of ALL our rights.
In the past all rulers or governments assumed that they were the font of your individual rights. They alone granted you those rights. They thought that since they could take away those rights by force they were the grantors of those rights.
They are wrong.
They were wrong. They could suppress those rights but they could not give them to you.
The Declaration of Independence simply states that man, humans, people have the very same rights granted by our creator that all animals do in nature.
We have the simple right to life, the right to stay alive as best our ability.
We have the simple natural right of liberty, the right to basically do as we please.
We have the right to pursue happiness, not the right to be happy but the simple right to pursue what brings us pleasure as best we can.
Our Amendments further innumerate a few more of these rights.
It even states that those rights not yet listed are the rights of the persons the people not the state.
By believing, by understanding, by accepting that God, our Creator, the Supreme power, Nature gave us those rights at birth and that in no way can they be taken by force or given away then you will start to understand American Sovereignty.
As for Freemasonry.
This is all the concept of Natural Law. And you do not need a God nor religion to know natural law exists.
$3.5 PLUS TRILLION DOLLAR BILL “COSTS NOTHING , ZERO” ? (Its all related)
The now Leftist Democrats with the assistance of the RINO Republicans in our government propose and push a bill that will permanently install Socialism into the fabric of the United States and claim, from the president himself down: “It will cost, NOTHING, ZERO!”. That is a direct quote.
https://youtu.be/B7A6MTaisYI A dose of reality in about 30 seconds.
And those politically empowered individuals in the Democrat party are correct, it will cost zero. It will cost government zero, but it will cost the people, the citizens of the United States $3 to 6 Trillion dollars and their freedom. They, the citizens of America will be obligated to pay for it all and what it in real terms creates is a slavery to support the Federal government.
Take a moment, step back and think about and understand the implications here in regards to what the Leftist Democrats intend. Understand, that money and that obligation is a contract that confiscates your hard earned money, FOREVER! And with it goes your freedom to do as you determine with your life. The government will now be in charge of that.
Our country began with a degree of slavery incorporated into it, we ended that with a massive civil war where 600 thousand died. Will we end our experiment in individual freedom and self governance by once again embracing slavery? Permanent slavery to a debt that can never be paid? And if not that, how many lives will it cost the second time around?
Your a Democrat? You consider yourself a patriot? Are you a Leftist? A Socialist? I didn’t think so.
WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU GOING TO DO!?
And do not tell me it, “Hurts your soul”, or, you “Have a great compassion for your fellow man”. That is pure, subjective, self delusional, hide your head in the sand because you do not want to have to clearly think, suicidal ignorant, Bovine Effluent.
Cotour and pzatchok:
Thank you for the helpful explanations. Now I understand some things better.
One more question for both of them: What connection, in their opinion, is the American constitution with the Enlightenment and humanism? I ask specifically because a conservative can be see himself also as an anti-enlightener. Even anti-humanism seems philosophically to give something for the political right. There are quite a few men who see (nihilistic) humanism as the root of the evil of today’s destructive left.
Cotour: You wrote: “Politics: DEF: Politics is the dirtiest, filthiest most corrupt activity that human beings participate in.”
I fully agree with you. Incidentally, that is also the reason why I believe that politics and women do not get along. It is enough if the men have to devote themselves to this dirty cause, the strongest form of which is war. Man and woman should be the rulers of their respective spheres of rule. The man for the outer social sphere (politics etc.), the woman for the inner social sphere (the private, the family etc.).
Questioner:
Women as we can clearly detect, some anyway, are just as deceitful, duplicitous and evil as any man that participated in politics. Maybe even more so because they have to prove just how ruthless they can be and “Hang” with the men. (SEE: Nancy Pelosi.)
In your country, can men now give birth?
Because that is now possible here in America.
“Man and woman should be the rulers of their respective spheres of rule. The man for the outer social sphere (politics etc.), the woman for the inner social sphere (the private, the family etc.).”
Oh the “Progressives” will not be happy with this statement.
Antinatalism, the end point at which atheism (or philosophical materialism) must ultimately strive towards at the end of its development if it is thought through to the end. I can only advise every representative of this school of thought (probably 90% leftists) to be consistent and to put an end to their lives without delay in order to correct what should not have happened with their birth.
“Antinatalism – should we let humanity go extinct? David Benatar vs Bruce Blackshaw”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXQk8bGUPo8&t=820s
$700 V $3.00 TO $20 DOLLARS?
1. Merck’s new Covid anti viral pill, Molnupiravir which has apparently been demonstrated to be effective will cost about $700.00 per course. 10 pills over 5 days.
https://youtu.be/qVW2QqHUJUw Dr. John Campbell 19 min.
2. Ivermectin / Hydroxychloroquine / Z-pac about $3.00 to $20 dollars? $50.00?
Q: Why was either Ivermectin, Hydroxychloroquine or a Z-pac and several other existing drugs demonstrated to be significantly effective against Covid either alone or in combination NOT been either promoted by government / FDA / CDC or allowed to be spoken of in media and in Social media and denied to many by their doctors and their pharmacies?
(How many lives did these actions cost? This is an example of Strategy Over Morality)
A: See above #1.
Merck stock price pre announcement, $75.66. Merck stock price post announcement? $81.73.
Where the price will be in the near future? Your guess is as good as mine, and my guess would be much higher.
Yes! Perfect logic: Post birth auto abortion! The Left certainly supports such medical solutions to problems.
The insane, anti American, moronic Leftists will be able to understand that logic.
The perfect logical conclusion for all Liberal / Leftist / “Progressives” to come to.
Brilliant, Questioner!
https://youtu.be/8ixabejG0O0 (Sorry to steal your thunder, Wayne :)
pzatchok:
What you write about the relationship between God and the American Constitution makes me think about the following point:
The essential basis of all left thinking is the demand for equality between people. (If it is not naturally present, then it must be established by the state or the party by means of force.) I believe we are in agreement on this.
Now it sounds that what God has granted people according to the American constitution, as you write, does not sound much different from what communists demand. Were the founding fathers also leftists? I hope not. Excuse me for this slightly provocative question.
Although I belong to a Christian-dominated culture, I am not very knowledgeable about theology, which is why I have the following questions for you as an expert:
In the view of the Church, are all people really the same or endowed with the same rights, or does one not say something else? What does the Catholic Church say about this over the past 2000 years?
Didn’t the Catholic Church also assume that God created people differently? Christian rulers (supported by Church) for example and in particular have attributed their power and rulership to a choice of God! And isn’t what unites people, ultimately “just” the existence of their souls? Isn’t Christianity primarily about the salvation of the souls of sinful people (see original sin) and not about equalization in earthly matters?
I ask for an answer.
Questioner:
Whether you are a Christian or not, whether you are religious or not, whether you believe in God or not, is really irrelevant as related to what the Founders structured. Think of the use of Rights coming from God as a vehicle for removing government from the equation.
If God is the giver of human / Americans fundamental Rights then that puts government in an inferior position and so the concept of where specifically Americans Rights come from can not be usurped. Government has no standing.
You can not take away what you have not provided.
And that is one of the key fundamental brilliant intellectual manipulations / strategies accomplished in the Constitution by the Founders.
Government and politically empowered human beings are a constant and eternal threat to those Rights and the freedom that they ensure. It is their nature. What the Founders formulated counter balances that nature using simple principles of logic that are unassailable.
The fundamentals of the Constitution are very simple and effective. Lawyers and government hate / can not tolerate simple and effective.
Questioner:
In Congress, July 4, 1776
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America, When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.–That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, –That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.–Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.”
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“We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States; that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.”
I am about to be blacklisted myself. I have natural immunity…of course, it is absolutely ignored and I will lose my job, if I don’t get the shot by December 8 because I work for a company that services the VA hospital systems. I never step foot in any VA, but the company says it is a condition of employment going forward. I have 22 others like me at work. We are a right to work state. I am in a quandry. People keep telling me to take one for the team and that if Trump were POTUS, I would have taken it. No. I already know I would not have because I did not give my daughters the HPV vaccine due to the lack of information at the time. Same here. I have a couple of routes I could take. One…increase my life insurance at work, get every test under the sun to prove my good health and then take the jab. Two? Every month, get the same tests to prove my good health still exists, unless something goes wrong within 4 weeks of the shot. 3. Try to join the federal suit of the military regarding the natural immunity being ignored and trying to deny the forcible. To stand for my conviction, I will have to get a new job, and what chance do I have that natural immunity trumps jabs? That means, ultimately, I cannot afford my life as it is and I will have to sell my house and be at the mercy of friends to house me. I don’t make a lot of money, as I was a homemaker before my husband passed away with no estate to speak of and that is another story…I am 57. I find it utterly insane that hospitals and schools are gong to fire people and think they can replace skilled labor at the rate they fire them. The B-cubed plan is a complete. RF. They want compliance and are willing to destroy an entire country.
Cotout:
What do you do with powerful groups of people (like the left) who don’t care about God and His will because they don’t believe in Him?
You have to confront those with purely earthly (i.e., state) power in order to force them on the right path. However, what do you do when these groups infiltrated the state? Then once the appeal to God and a constitution will no longer bring anything. Ultimately, you must also have the means to get your ideas implemented – whether or not they are written into a constitution.
Wayne: I just discovered your comment and I cannot act immediately.
Questioner:
You are in the process of seeing the answer to your question about powerful groups (Left or Right) play out right before your eyes in the Congress and the Senate. Keep watching, they can not come to a compromise (Not a consensus) and so they will tend to do NOTHING.
And nothing is something. They will either come to some agreement either through reasonable compromise or an election will occur and then a new mix of the politically empowered will exist. And the election theoretically will be reflective of the change in the publics beliefs and opinions. And this happens over a period of time.
The struggle, the political warfare itself is the medicine. Anything that is worthwhile is worth fighting for. And so there is political warfare, every day.
Everything exists within the Constitution to accomplish what you suggest the state itself needs / should be doing. And we have established the state is the natural enemy of Rights and freedom. Think about that for a few seconds. You default to the state for your answer, and the state is not the answer, the people are the answer. And that is the fundamental difference between America and most all other democracies.
The politically empowered ultimately answer to the their constituents and their vote. And that is why there is so much effort, “Lawyers, Courts and Money”, and time being expended on the subject of the validity of the vote. The politically empowered love, love love their political power and will do just about anything to retain it. Up to and including murder.
So manipulating an election if you can get away with it is nothing.
Who can take political power away from the politically empowered? The citizens, not the state.
This scheme is so simple that you need it to be more complex. And complexity would only result in government and lawyers perverting the meaning of the words that construct the rules that they MUST live by. The Founders brilliance shines through.
Once you see this clearly no one can undermine what it is that you have come to understand. Simplicity is the enemy of the power hungry and the corrupt.
PS: The system, like most all systems is not perfect.
Corporations have great power because they has access to great wealth and they will use that wealth to own and control the political class.
And that is why we have great concern about thee most essential component of this Constitutional system and its integrity, the press.
Unbridled Capitalism is just as deadly as unbridled Communism or unbridled Democracy.
There must be a system of control on these systems and again, it comes down to what the people know and understand about those who are in power and who they are in bed with and who’s interests they have in mind.
From direct pay offs to blackmail, up to and including murder, its the power that is what is valuable.
And the people must over time ultimately control it.
Here is a prime example:
Clive Palmer, former member of the Australian parliament: https://youtu.be/50zdyhE_ggU scroll ahead to the 16 minute point in this video. He is either telling the raw truth, or he is lying and is opening himself to a massive law suit. Choose one.
“A lefty reporter pushed back on Clive Palmer: “You think the premier of New South Wales is trying to destroy businesses?”
“I do,” Palmer replied. “She’s being directed by lobbyists in Sydney, who is being paid by AstraZeneca and by Pfizer tens of millions of dollars to get these policies through, to make sure the vaccines get pushed…that’s my personal knowledge and I’m happy to make a statement here, to police, to anyone.”
“A former Australian member of Parliament came out and said Pfizer and AstraZeneca are paying lobbyists to direct Australia’s leaders to push vaccine mandates. Clive Palmer, leader of the United Australia Party claimed ousted New South Wales Premier Gladys Berejiklian was told she wouldn’t be charged in a corruption probe if she imposed a vaccine mandate.”
Do you think this is beyond the possibilities of our reality today? Or at any point in history? In America as in Australia the government has without doubt IMO not had the best interests of Democracy nor the health of the people in mind. There is an agenda being executed and it has to do with big pharma, the Globalist agenda and the Leftist / Socialists among us. IMO anyway.
Big pharma essentially black mailing a powerful politician to push for a vaccine with a vaccine mandate and force people to have to take it, or she will be “Investigated” for some potential crime that she participated in. That is called incentive.
This is one more example of Strategy Over Morality and the two conversations where anything can be justified if need be.
Cotour:
I agree with what you say about the government’s corruption and depravity. But that’s not the biggest problem that keeps democracy from working:
You make an assumption that does not exist in reality, namely the autonomously deciding, sovereign citizen. If you look at the mass of citizens, a large part is unable to get a grip on their own lives or at least control of their body weight. In reality, the great mass of citizens is mentally controlled and manipulated by the mass medium so that in the end they act against their own interests. The crowd behaves like a stupid child. The events in plandemic prove it anew every day. The western-liberal democracies succeed in the soft but pervasive brain washing and control of the people much more efficiently than with the hard methods that were used earlier in the Eastern bloc. That is why – at least here in Europe – elections are of no use.
We here – the enlightened ones, so to speak – are the exception and not the rule.
DefendUSA:
everything you are exposed to is basically very evil.
I am appalled and assure you of my spiritual support.
Questioner:
There are no guarantees, and its not perfect.
And so manipulated or brain washed, the people, the citizens, one way or another must do their part. They must somehow see through the fog, see through the chaos, the purposeful confusion. Somehow.
If and when it is determined that that is no longer a reality, then America and its Constitution is over.
And if and when the American Social experiment in governance is over what comes after that I am certain will terrify the world.
wow.
This thread wore me out.
Thanks Folks. Good comms.
Now for a nap, to re enforce my nominalism.
Col Beausabre;
You said,
“I also got the COVID shots in July (Why not? If it doesn’t work, what have I lost? It’s paid for by your taxes folks, so you;ve already paid for it) and I’ll get the booster in a couple of months”
If it doesn’t work, you’ve been lied to… Or worse it does work! but not for the intended (pretended) purpose.
If you had the wu-flu, you have natural antibodies that work seven times better (or more) than the shot! With “no” experimental chemicals and their side effects.
Perhaps a whistleblower in your line of work speaking your language with jargon that you are intimately familiar with for a second opinion on any more shots…
A flight surgeon threatening to ground all military pilots until their health and heart status can be verified.
https://www.deepcapture.com/2021/09/affidavit-of-ltc-theresa-long-m-d-in-support-of-a-motion-for-a-preliminary-injunction-order/
“(Why not? If it doesn’t work, what have I lost? It’s paid for by your taxes folks, so you;ve already paid for it)”
Seriously? Do you know what they call stuff that you get for free? Worthless… Because it has no value.
Better yet, there are many places offering you money to get the shot. Paying you to be the guinea pig, to risk your health and your life and you say, why not? The pharmacy will get money to treat your symptoms, the doctors will receive money for treatment, and when you die on the ventilator, the hospital will get 30,000+ for your participation. Your widow will receive 7000 for burial expenses but the insurance will pay nothing because the shot is experimental…
I see your point, everyone wins but you.
It is free folks why not? Will be your epitaph on your headstone.
It won’t be much longer before clear thinking real scientist will declare that healthy people aren’t the problem, the vaccinated are the ones who are carrying the virus without knowing it and spreading it to others… (just like the supreme court judge and the women on the view)
Next thing you know, if you’re in the vaccinated database, you are no longer permitted to travel, go to the grocery store, or be treated in the hospital. Everyone’s world turns upside down! Again!
Just like the carnival cruise ship who would not take anyone that had not been vaccinated, ended up having problems just the same. How is that possible? It’s because “the shots don’t work!”
Proof that this is an insane world because they keep doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results!
like getting a booster shot of the same material they already received twice before that didn’t work.
Two weeks ago, Harry Shearer, whom has had a News/comedy show on NPR for 30 years, interviewed the CDC Director, who now works for Pfizer. (2017-2019)
He wrote a book about Covid that he was peddling and answered a few questions.
Did the wu flu start in China? “Don’t know because that strain had been accidentally released 6 Times, 4 of which was in China.”
How many breakthrough cases are there?
“Don’t know, hospitals are not allowed to ask if the patient has been vaccinated or not. It is strongly discouraged to keep those records… We wouldn’t want a controversy with documentation and proof like they have in Israel.”
But most of the people in the ICU are unvaccinated?
“The hospitals are not allowed to ask or access that information or to document that information, if the shots are 97% effective, then it’s just math to figure that 97% of the people in the hospital must be the unvaccinated…”
Cotour:
Do you think that this photo of Klaus Schwab is real?
https://stateofthenation.co/?p=62129
Questioner
The Catholic church is not communist. It is socialist. At least from the point that it is all our responsibility to care for those who need the help. But they do not believe in collective ownership of anything.
And I have noticed that many people tend to relate large amounts of time down to what they know, their own life time. and see a thousand years of activity as being all rolled into a short time like like their own life.
Two thousand years of Catholicism and all the bad things that happened way back then have no relation on what has happened or is happening now. People also tend to forget all the good everyone in that organization has done over the years,
Also there are no true communist governments in the world. They have ALL devolved into dictatorships.
There are also no true democracies in the world. True democracies are just the majority oppressing the minority by vote.
All democratic governments today are actually just representative democracies or republics. We do not vote on everything and in most cases only vote on someone to represent us in our governments.
“what has happened or is happening now.”
should be
“what has happened recently or is happening now.”
pzatchok:
We don’t have to argue about the intricacies of the meaning of terms. When I say “communist” I mean all left thinking and all left political expression based on the ideology of equality.
You will surely agree with me that modern Christianity and leftism are very similar in this essential respect. One could also say that leftism is a secular form of modern Christianity. I guess that Christianity in earlier epochs, especially in the Middle Ages, was not such deart degenerate. I do not see the Samaritan activity of the church, which began in the early Middle Ages, as a left thing, because it is a noble cause when the strong help the weak and the fallen, because the weak also have a soul. This does not change the fact that equality does not really exist. There are still the weak and the strong, to put it simply.
Today’s democracy is a controlled one. The “rabble” is whispered what to think, what to feel, what to consume and what to vote.
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Questioner:
I doubt it is him, but it would not surprise me :)
This I believe is a real picture:
https://th.bing.com/th/id/OIP.8uFxE6ruOLxueBsOCHD4dwHaG9?w=204&h=191&c=7&r=0&o=5&dpr=1.25&pid=1.7
A real life Bond villain IMO. He sees himself as the earths and its people’s overlord. I say, NAH.
And when you listen to him speak he is 100 percent serious about his, “In the future you will own nothing, and you will be happy” Globalist agenda.
100 percent.
IS IT OFFICIAL? WE CAN ALL KILL OURSELVES NOW? (Its all related)
Is Civilization and humanity as we know it officially over and we are just going through the motions as we all process through and disappear from the universe? Is this and other associated things the sign, the universes clarion call for humanities final extinction event?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-10058109/Playboy-features-MALE-cover-star-dressed-bunny-October-issue.html
Jerry Seinfeld: “Not that there is anything wrong with that”.
The intellectualizing of EVERYTHING in the pursuit of some imagined Leftist degree of “Equality” for all?
Is this just some cycle America / humanity must go through in order that these apparently oppressed and differently oriented people and the Leftist movement that they front for feel that they are no longer oppressed and equal?
OR, Is this kind of paradox all our reality and futures now? Stay tuned, we should know the answer to those riveting questions soon.
(And I have not one problem with and respect differently oriented people. But must EVERY convention be broken in order to be recast and everything is then seen to be “Equal” ?)
I SUSPECTED THIS WAS COMING: IVERMECTIN V MULNUPIRAIVIR (Its all related)
Dr. John Campbell recently reported on Merk’s new oral drug, Molnupiravir for Covid. Brand new!
I knew after listening to Dr. Campbell report on the new Merck treatment for Covid that it was not sitting well with him. And so here he has very objectively and very purposefully has done a drug comparison between Molnupiravir and Ivermectin based on the known research and the data.
In this video Dr. Campbell digs out the information on Ivermectin which has been used aprox. 3.5 BILLION times on human beings with few adverse effects. (The new Merck drug? Unknown, certainly not successfully used 3.5 billion times. That remains to be seen.)
https://youtu.be/hKa3EZqofNo 20 min.
Cost for this new Merck drug to treat Covid per patient? $700.00.
Cost of Ivermectin per 100 tablets? $2.96.
Cost to treat Covid with Ivermectin per patient? $0.53 (Yes, that is FIFTY THREE CENTS)
Are you getting it now?
Why our own sitting government administration, nor big pharma, nor the internet overlords that now say what you can and can not know, nor our own CDC, nor the FDA, nor the WHO (Not that WHO, the W.H.O.) have not recommended ANY other therapeutic, oral or otherwise other then “THE VACCINE!”? Are you getting it now?
How many people who could have been helped by Ivermectin and were literally banned from it being prescribed by their doctors may still be alive today?
Pure: Strategy Over Morality (S.O.M.) ARE YOU GETTING IT NOW?
Col Beausabre asked: “I also got the COVID shots in July (Why not? If it doesn’t work, what have I lost?”
I don’t know about your county, but I also risked life and limb from the known and any as-yet unknown side effects from the shot, and I did it just so I wouldn’t be required to wear a mask everywhere I go. In my county, we have lost much. Not only do we have to wear our masks again, vaxxed or not, but we vaxxed have to wear them because we may give the Wuhan flu to the unvaxxed. This means that by taking the shot, we have literally become biohazards. Biohazards! Biohazards to our fellow man. What a horrific thing it is to be dangerous to our neighbors and strangers, all because we were fooled into getting a shot.
The shots do not work, are counterproductive, and have not been approved by the FDA. The FDA does not believe them to be safe or effective, but my county has declared that they are neither. In order for me to be a biohazard to my fellow man, I first have to get the disease that I was supposed to be protected from, thus the shot is ineffective. Many people have died or been harmed from the shots, and now even those around me can become infected due to the shot, thus the shot is unsafe for all, whether or not they were fooled into getting one.
So, not only is there no benefit at all to the shots, as masks are once again mandatory, but we have lost the promised security, freedom from the Wuhan flu.
Everything that our fearful leaders do about this disease has always been the wrong thing to do, making this disease far worse than it should have been. That is because everything they do goes against decades and centuries of lessons learned from worse diseases. As Max noted, they are doing the old, failed methods over again, expecting different results.
As we have seen with the Wuhan flu and many other crises, governments are stupid. Governments are selfish. When Governments are given the freedom to choose for us, they choose wrong — every single time.
pzatchok wrote: “The Catholic church is not communist. It is socialist.”
This is incorrect. The Catholic Church encourages its congregations and their members to be prosperous by their own efforts, as free market capitalists (terms that were created after the Bible was written), and use that prosperity to individually aid those in need rather than the Church as a collective aiding the needy.
The Church providing aid is only a last resort, not a first resort.
Questioner,
You wrote to pzatchok: “You will surely agree with me that modern Christianity and leftism are very similar in this essential respect.”
I don’t know whether pzatchok will agree, but I do not. Christianity is all about the freedom and liberty of the individual, that the individual is responsible for his own actions, and that we are our brother’s keepers.
https://www.crosswalk.com/faith/spiritual-life/biblical-ways-to-be-my-brothers-keeper-today.html
Leftism is all about control, the government creating dependents out of the people, and removing liberty and independence. Independent people do not need a large, overbearing government to care for them, and successful independent people can aid their neighbors so that they do not need a large government, either. Neighbors care for each other better than governments care for their people, as we have seen with the government actions to Wuhan flu.
“Industrial Society and it’s Future”
Theodore J. Kaczynski
https://youtu.be/ocvSFObG37c
3:14:15
Wayne:
Thank you for pointing out Theodore J. Kaczynski, who in part of his paper gave a good definition of the characteristics of the left. Since it’s useful, I’ll bring the introduction to it here. [According to Kaczynski, we call the two psychological tendencies underlying the modern left “feeling of inferiority” and “over-socialization”.]:
“THE PSYCHOLOGY OF MODERN LEFTISM
6. Almost everyone will agree that we live in a deeply troubled society. One of the most widespread manifestations of the craziness of our world is leftism, so a discussion of the psychology of leftism can serve as an introduction to the discussion of the problems of modern society in general.
7. But what is leftism? During the first half of the 20th century leftism could have been practically identified with socialism. Today the movement is fragmented and it is not clear who can properly be called a leftist. When we speak of leftists in this article we have in mind mainly socialists, collectivists, “politically correct” types, feminists, gay and disability activists, animal rights activists and the like. But not everyone who is associated with one of these movements is a leftist. What we are trying to get at in discussing leftism is not so much movement or an ideology as a psychological type, or rather a collection of related types. Thus, what we mean by “leftism” will emerge more clearly in the course of our discussion of leftist psychology. (Also, see paragraphs 227-230.)
8. Even so, our conception of leftism will remain a good deal less clear than we would wish, but there doesn’t seem to be any remedy for this. All we are trying to do here is indicate in a rough and approximate way the two psychological tendencies that we believe are the main driving force of modern leftism. We by no means claim to be telling the WHOLE truth about leftist psychology. Also, our discussion is meant to apply to modern leftism only. We leave open the question of the extent to which our discussion could be applied to the leftists of the 19th and early 20th centuries.
9. The two psychological tendencies that underlie modern leftism we call “feelings of inferiority” and “oversocialization”. Feelings of inferiority are characteristic of modern leftism as a whole, while oversocialization is characteristic only of a certain segment of modern leftism; but this segment is highly influential.
Edwards:
I see what is real, and then there are overwhelming similarities between leftism and Christianity (the modern evangelical Christianity is practically indistinguishable from socialism, especially when it comes to the practical political implementation of these ideologies). It may be that Christianity does not rely as much on government as Leftists, because it builds its own huge power and control structure. That is only a question of practical implementation.
But, according to Kaczynski, we call the two psychological tendencies underlying the modern left: “feeling of inferiority” and “over-socialization”. That’s exactly what I find with many Christians. In addition, there is the component of the moralization of all areas of life, the over-morality, which we find in Christianity as well as in leftism. That is Friedrich Nietzsche’s slave morality. To make this clear, I have added some quotations from Nietzsche:
“The Christian faith from the beginning, is sacrifice the sacrifice of all freedom, all pride, all self-confidence of spirit, it is at the same time subjection, self-derision, and self-mutilation.”
“Christianity has taken the part of all the weak, the low, the botched; it has made an ideal out of antagonism to all the self-preservative instincts of sound life; it has corrupted even the faculties of those natures that are intellectually most vigorous, by representing the highest intellectual values as sinful, as misleading, as full of temptation. ”
“Christianity has the rancor of the sick at its very core-the instinct against the healthy, against health. Everything that is well-constructed, proud, gallant and, above all, beautiful gives offense to its ears and eyes.”
“It may be that Christianity does not rely as much on government as Leftists, because it builds its own huge power and control structure. That is only a question of practical implementation.”
There are many denominations under Christianity, each with its own implementation(s) and all of which encourage independence and limited reliance on charity, so that “huge power and control structure” does not exist.
“In addition, there is the component of the moralization of all areas of life, the over-morality, which we find in Christianity as well as in leftism.”
Morality is not what socialism is about at all. It is not in any definition. You might as well argue that both Christians and socialists breathe, so they are the same.
“To make this clear, I have added some quotations from Nietzsche”
Well, if Nietzsche says that Christianity is socialist, then it must be true. Oh, wait. He didn’t say so. Huh. So even if we were to accept his thoughts on Christianity, he still fails to support your conclusion, just your observations. Ted Kaczynski fairly discredited himself. Nietzsche may be widely known, but his philosophies are not so widely accepted. Since my observations are different from those you have reported making, I will continue with my conclusions, backed up by my previous comment and unchanged by yours or your choice of philosophers.
Just to be clear, ref Ted Kaczynski, the man was a brilliant mathematician with a high IQ, but I don’t consider him to be a philosopher.
Spent most of my career dealing with mental-illness in all its forms, and I’ve encountered a handful of extremely intelligent people dealing with schizophrenia and/or bi-polar disorder. The most curious thing—there was always a ring-of-truth to most of what they said, but not quite all-the-way. Kaczynski’s take on Reality fits in that category. It’s a fascinating insight into his head, but ultimately the Content of his delusions are less important than the fact they are delusions.
Edward-
Good stuff.
ref: Nietzsche; There are a number of Jordan Peterson videos available that explain his philosophical leanings.
Questioner–
ref- “modern evangelical Christianity is practically indistinguishable from socialism…”
You don’t live the USA, do you?
I would put forth the proposition, that statement is disconnected with reality. Saying it doesn’t make it so.
Jordan Peterson & Akira The Don
“Tarantulas” ?️ Friedrich Nietzsche (October 2018)
(…Thus, I speak to you in a parable….)
https://youtu.be/7zIkUkRLJAM
7:59
“When they call themselves the Good and the Just, do not forget that they would be Pharisees… if only they had – power!”
Questioner’s knowledge of the Bible is quite poor. And it is the basis for both the Christian and Jewish religions. The Old Testament lays out the difference between right and wrong, but insists each person has the free will to choose one or the other. It also makes clear that it is not the place of any religious hierarchy to impose that decision, which is why the Jews have always been so difficult for others to oppress. They have always refused to give up their free will to choose right from wrong.
I discuss this in depth in my new book, Conscious Choice.. Questioner might benefit by reading it. And if not, he or she should at least try reading the Bible itself, especially the Old Testament.
Wayne:
you stated: “ref- “modern evangelical Christianity is practically indistinguishable from socialism…”
You don’t live the USA, do you?”
No, I don’t live in the USA, I live in Europe. You actually already know that.
The following to clarify:
With my statements I refer to what I experience as reality myself, which can deviate from the conditions that prevail in America. Although I believe that the differences between America and Europe are not only in the political reality, but above all in the different use of terms in the political field, which can lead to confusion. An example – which I already wrote about – is the term liberal or liberalism. Btw, I also made a typo, I meant Protestant and not Evangelical Church.
In the case of Protestant Christianity in Northern and Central Europe, it is actually the case that their leadership is absolutely part of the neo-Marxist postmodern (“progressive”) “elite” and agenda and helps to bring left ideology to power. This can be seen in many points, such as being “politically correct”, women “liberation”, support of “wokeness”, support for unrestrained immigration, hyper-moralization of many aspects of life, excessive support for marginalized groups instead of the nuclear family, submission to Islam, fighting conservatives structures like family and nation. I have the impression that the Protestant church is trying – like the left – to achieve “redemption” already on earth and no longer cares enough about the hereafter or the souls of the believers, which should be their main task.
I think it could be different with the Orthodox and some parts of the Catholic Church.
Wayne:
“Bishop Barron/Peterson: Why Nietzsche Was Right”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuTHfQ_Vhzk
Some commenters:
Just Call Me Oscar : “8:50 Bp Barron nails it. Somewhere people are getting it. The Roman Church and Christianity in general are little more than collective therapy sessions. It’s time to get medieval up in here.”
Mr. Zimmerman,
Thank you for your recommendation. I do not want to deny that the Bible certainly contains very valuable, always valid rules of life that can help people in individual cases today, even if the text of the Old Testament is about 2,800 years old.
But, when was the last time you read the Bible? A personal question for you in this context, do you believe in God?
My concern, however, is to reveal the similarities between the politically effective Christianity that actually exists in the West today and the left political ideology. To do this, you hardly need any knowledge of the Bible. Please convince me of the opposite in detail.
God / Spirituality V Religion V Business V Politics
1. The business of religion of all stripes at every point in human history has been used and abused in the quest of the few in pursuit of control and power over the many.
2. The business of religion of all stripes at every point in human history has acted not always in the interests of what they have purported to represent themselves to be acting in the interests of.
3. The business of religion of all stripes at every point in human history has been used as a ruthless tool in the abuse of power in the furtherance of business and politics.
4. The business of religion of all stripes at every point in human history selectively teaches the exclusion of some.
5. Humanity needs God, spirituality and religion and must be cognizant of their nature as it relates to those subjects and where the business of religion and politics can deliver them.
6. All intellectual structures, entities and concepts of man have the potential to be perverted, corrupted and the power derived there of abused. JGL 4/3/21
Cotour:
You are right in your remarks about religions, which are closely related to the culture of a civilization. Like religion, art and culture of a civilization degrade over time. Human history is therefore not linear, but in cycles. According to Oswald Spengler, (“Decline of the West”) civilizations (including culture, religion) emerge, mature, reach their peak, degrade and die. A new cycle begins. We are currently in the final phase of western civilization.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RToG2tKEyfM
Questioner:
I have a theory.
There is one thing that exists in this societal cycle that we can clearly see before our eyes that has never been calculated into the long term existence of any culture or society.
What is that?
The Constitution.
Is it enough to depressurize or somehow even out this contention we have in America?
We are about to find out.
Ultimately the people must become aware of the corruptions and the perversions in our government and stop it by executing their fiduciary responsibilities. (That is assuming that our voting system is not so pervert and corrupted that the publics wishes in regards to their government and their responsibilities are no longer relevant)
“Insanity in individuals is something rare – but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule.”
Friedrich Nietzsche
Time will tell the tale.
Hope springs eternal: https://youtu.be/77yKT6fC76Y
Cotour:
We should get out of the EU. Freedom for the European Nations. Here is a very positive development!
“Czech Republic enshrines right to armed self-defence in Constitution”
https://kafkadesk.org/2021/07/22/czech-republic-enshrines-right-to-armed-self-defence-in-constitution/#:~:text=Prague%2C%20Czech%20Republic%20-%20President%20Milos,CTK)%20reported%20earlier%20this%20week.
Cotour:
This is part of the related Wikipedia article “The Decline of the West” (Oswald Spengler):
“Religion’s role
“Spengler differentiates between manifestations of religion that appear within a Civilization’s developmental cycle. He sees each Culture as having an initial religious identity. This Religious concept arises out of the fundamental principle of the culture. Religions follow a trajectory that correlate with the trajectory of the Culture. The Religion eventually results in a reformation-like period, after the Culture-Ideal has reached its peak and fulfillment. Spengler views a reformation as representative of a declining factory. The reformation is followed by a period of rationalism, and finally entering a period of second religiousness that correlates with decline. Intellectual creativeness of a Culture’s Late period begins after the reformation, usually ushering in new freedoms in science.
The scientific stage associated with post-reformation Puritanism contains the fundamentals of Rationalism. Eventually rationalism spreads throughout the Culture and becomes the dominant school of thought. To Spengler, Culture is synonymous with religious creativeness. Every great Culture begins with a religious trend that arises in the countryside, is carried through to the cultural cities, and ends in materialism in the world-cities.
Spengler described the process by which Enlightenment rationalism undermines and destroys itself, passing from unlimited optimism to unqualified skepticism. The Cartesian self-centered rationalism leads to schools of thought that do not cognize outside of their own constructed worlds, ignoring actual every-day life experience. It applies criticism to its own artificial world until it exhausts itself in meaninglessness. In reaction to the educated elites, the masses give rise to the Second Religiousness, which manifests as deeply suspicious of academia and science.
The Second Religiousness appears as a harbinger of the decline of mature Civilization into an ahistorical state. The Second Religiousness occurs concurrently with Caesarism, the final political constitution of Late Civilization. Caesarism is the rise of an authoritarian ruler, a new ’emperor’ akin to Caesar or Augustus, taking the reins in reaction to a decline in creativity, ideology and energy after a culture has reached its high point and become a civilization.[19] Both the Second Religiousness and Caesarism demonstrate the lack of youthful strength or creativity that the Early Culture once possessed. The Second Religiousness is simply a rehashing of the original religious trend of the Culture.”
Questioner,
You foolishly stated: “To do this, you hardly need any knowledge of the Bible. Please convince me of the opposite in detail.”
Of course you need knowledge of the Bible. Otherwise you don’t know what you are talking about and may assume that Christianity is socialist. You then become difficult, if not impossible, to persuade away from this feeling of yours, because you have become emotionally married to your unfounded feeling.
I noticed that you lost this argument (without changing your feelings on it) and have attempted to distract by changing the subject.