Comments on: Today’s blacklisted American: University tells student it will block her speech, even off campus and on her private time

By: Dale

Dale — Fri, 30 Aug 2024 04:52:41 +0000

Private colleges/universities often have rules that students have to agree to in order to attend. That often if not normally includes agreeing to refrain from any actions that would contradict or go against the religious beliefs/values of said college or university whether at school or away from school including semester and summer breaks. Once someone graduates that no longer applies though in that case the college or university could declare an alumni who is known to go against their values to be persona non grata.

For example if a person at say Bob Jones University, a private Christian university was found to have committed an infraction off campus such as listening to rock music, the university has the right to discipline that student such as assigning demerits or other sanctions up to and including expulsion as the university deems to be appropriate. After all the student agreed to the rules and had the student not agreed to the rules the university would not have enrolled that student. There is a line between private and public institutions and a line between private and public property. The student won’t get in trouble with the law but is subject to getting in trouble with the university whose rules the student agreed to adhere to.

By: sippin_bourbon

sippin_bourbon — Sat, 04 Mar 2023 03:52:27 +0000

Interesting how this thread turned out.

By: pzatchok

pzatchok — Thu, 02 Mar 2023 20:50:41 +0000

“While Villanova is not a public institution obliged by the First Amendment to protect free expression,
it independently promises students “freedom of inquiry” and that the university “encourages the open exchange of ideas on a variety of subjects, including those that are controversial.”

This is not a guarantee of freedom of speech. This wording allows the students to question but does not allow them to freely pass on information. They are not instructors. Nor are they approved by the administration to do so.

By: Alec Rawls

Alec Rawls — Thu, 02 Mar 2023 15:52:44 +0000

Villanova might be in violation of its contractual obligations (using internal college processes to punish a student for free speech activities that it’s suggested would be allowed), but I don’t see how it can possibly be doing anything illegal by telling this girl they’re going to kick her out if she doesn’t adhere to Catholic doctrines that the college upholds.

Villanova also has first amendment rights, which include the right of free association. They do not have to allow anybody in as a student who they don’t want to. They can certainly make adherence to Catholic doctrines a condition for attendance. They do have to abide by their contracts, but that is a civil matter, not a criminal one.

By: JerryM1957

JerryM1957 — Wed, 01 Mar 2023 23:52:49 +0000

Col Beausabre, Villanova was founded and is operated by the Augustinians. Nearby St. Joes University was founded and is operated by the Jesuits.

By: sippin_bourbon

sippin_bourbon — Wed, 01 Mar 2023 20:05:15 +0000

Col B.

The modern day Jesuits are nothing like the Jesuits of old…
Most are quite liberal, and quietly work against traditional RC teachings.

By: pzatchok

pzatchok — Wed, 01 Mar 2023 18:22:33 +0000

If Villanova is like our local university it actually owns the sidewalks immediately adjacent to the central campus. She might have just been on the wrong sidewalk or refused to go to a public sidewalk because they were too far away.

She knew what type of school she applied for. If contraception was so important why go? Unless….

If everything is as this report says I do not agree with the university sanctioning her.
But I am sure the university has a good legal team and I am sure they were informed and asked about this before anything was done. So I get the idea something else is going on here.

By: Jamie

Jamie — Wed, 01 Mar 2023 17:17:10 +0000

“On her own Time”, are you kidding me. The University is not a workplace, you pay for a service if anything it’s Quid-Pro-Quo. They can be sued, especially for threatening off campus actions that bring “Involuntary Servitude” to mind.

By: Col Beausabre

Col Beausabre — Wed, 01 Mar 2023 15:10:27 +0000

My question is she using the name Villanova in her activities? If so I think the school has a legitimate complaint that she is then implying that she represents it. Of course, you can then reply why doesn’t it take action against a restaurant (for example) calling itself the Villanova Deli. The rejoinder, I think it is that the deli is not engaging in an activity that is against Catholic teachings.. Be interesting to see the facts come out. BTW, Villanova is a Jesuit school. The Jesuit Order was founded to lead the Church’s intellectual counterforce to the reformation. It still recruits the brightest of Catholic clergy. I would not underestimate them or how well they have thought this through.

By: Cam

Cam — Wed, 01 Mar 2023 14:16:30 +0000

Time to kill all education officials …..

By: dan

dan — Wed, 01 Mar 2023 13:34:13 +0000

this evil woman may as well be offering BOGO coupons at the transgender clinic, or free crack pipes and/or “clean” needles and condoms……..this has nothing to do with free speech. Just as no real American would allow a drug dealing street ape to enter their living room to sell crack, why should this private university allow an evil woman to push baby slaughtering?

By: Sippin_bourbon

Sippin_bourbon — Wed, 01 Mar 2023 02:24:01 +0000

Is this issue about the advocacy for contraception, or the distribution.

There is a difference between speech and action.

The other question is did she sign an agreement with the school regarding moral behavior. I am not aware of the admission policy. Most religious ed institute s have a requirement for their employees. Again, it may not be because of speech, but actions.

I will await Villanova’s response.

By: Stephen from MARYLAND

Stephen from MARYLAND — Wed, 01 Mar 2023 02:12:25 +0000

While I wholeheartedly support all of our Constitutional Rights, would it not be appropriate and legal for the University to expel her for not upholding Catholic moral teaching? Obviously that is a last resort. I would hope that the University has counseled her on the negative health and societal effects of contraception as outlined by numerous past Popes. The freedom to have sex without consequence of pregnancy has led to a plethora of evil effects. I pray that in light of the Dobbs decision all people will engage in more healthy and serious relationships.

From Wikipedia: “Villanova University is a private Roman Catholic research university in Villanova, Pennsylvania. It was founded by the Augustinians in 1842 and named after Saint Thomas of Villanova. The university is the oldest Catholic university in Pennsylvania and one of two Augustinian institutions in the United States.”

By: Cotour

Cotour — Tue, 28 Feb 2023 23:49:57 +0000

Related, because it is all related:

THATS RICH

“Janet Yellen Claims U.S. Taxpayers Have ‘Duty’ to Defend Ukraine’s Border from Invasion”

While Americas Southern border has been purposefully opened and illegals in the millions are essentially encouraged by the president himself (D) to flood OUR country, Janet Yellen (D) thinks Americans have a responsibility to defend the Ukraine’s borders, but not Americas border. Now you think about that for a minute or two and tell me what you think should be done with both her and the president and Mr. Myorkis.

Looks like a duck, smells like treason to me.

Just one more “America must be destroyed” Globalist operative within the Democrat party machine that is selling you, me and every other American out. And if we do not remove these bastards from their positions of political power sooner rather than later, they will succeed.

And don’t get me wrong, IMO send the Ukraine money and material in order that THEY can destroy Putin and his aspirations as long as we do not have to do the fighting. But they are weak and incompetent, they react they do not act, as in actual leadership.

Biden has signaled that both China and Putin should make their power moves. Very, very dangerous.

Hmmmmm, now who in that position of political power actually projected strength, leadership and American power interests where neither adversary would make that move?

Sorry, I can’t think of anyone, I am coming up blank. Can you? (Are you paying attention yet America?)

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By: John Fisher

John Fisher — Tue, 28 Feb 2023 22:53:54 +0000

Blair,

Respectfully, if the facts are as presented, no. Free speech is not negotiable or tradable for ‘good feelings’. Villanova may regulate on campus speech and behavior in accordance with the law and their contracts with students. What happens off of the boundaries of their campus is none of their concern.

By: Blair Ivey

Blair Ivey — Tue, 28 Feb 2023 21:25:59 +0000

I would submit that Villanova’s action is at least in part motivated by ‘representation’: a member of an organization is expected to represent that organization’s values. I do not think Villanova is entirely wrong, here. But the precipitous decline in American tolerance and the corresponding ascendant social tyranny demand a strong response. Perhaps Villanova can publicly recognize Ms. Carrol’s Constitutional rights, and she could play nice and move a bit further from campus.