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		By: john hare		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[john hare]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t know about the woman involved. The man in the video was clearly out of line in a way you would not tolerate on this blog.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know about the woman involved. The man in the video was clearly out of line in a way you would not tolerate on this blog.</p>
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		By: Robert Zimmerman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert Zimmerman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Aug 2024 08:00:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/todays-blacklisted-american-woman-arrested-in-arizona-for-publicly-criticizing-a-public-employee/#comment-1516371&quot;&gt;Stephen J.&lt;/a&gt;.

Stephen J: You are wrong. The Supreme Court has been quite clear about this, in a number of rulings. Government officials have no right in any circumstance to limit the free speech of any citizen in any forum, except in those rare examples of direct violent threat. Government officials especially have no right to forbid citizens from criticizing them in a public forum.

If Massie sues she will win big.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/todays-blacklisted-american-woman-arrested-in-arizona-for-publicly-criticizing-a-public-employee/#comment-1516371">Stephen J.</a>.</p>
<p>Stephen J: You are wrong. The Supreme Court has been quite clear about this, in a number of rulings. Government officials have no right in any circumstance to limit the free speech of any citizen in any forum, except in those rare examples of direct violent threat. Government officials especially have no right to forbid citizens from criticizing them in a public forum.</p>
<p>If Massie sues she will win big.</p>
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		By: Stephen J.		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stephen J.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Aug 2024 05:30:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Massie&#039;s First Amendment rights give her the right to say whatever she likes without fear of arrest &lt;i&gt;on her own time through any platform legally available to her&lt;/i&gt;. If the rules of the meeting forbid personally identified accusation or criticism of council members during question period, and she ignored directions to comply with those rules, she is disturbing the peace and is lawfully subject to arrest, just as much as the anti-Trump protestors screaming outside the homes of Supreme Court justices at three in the morning should have been.

&lt;i&gt;&quot;The city council’s rule forbidding any criticism of any city employee is absurdly unconstitutional....&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

The rule doesn&#039;t forbid criticism of city employees. It forbids &lt;i&gt;using the question period of the public meeting&lt;/i&gt; to do so, because if such meetings couldn&#039;t shut down people who did nothing except fling accusations and vituperation at the council-members in the guise of free speech, nothing could be done and there would be no point to having such meetings. Nor does the Pennsylvania case disprove that principle: the Pennsylvania school board lost their case not because they &lt;i&gt;had&lt;/i&gt; such a rule but because the evidence showed they &lt;i&gt;selectively enforced it&lt;/i&gt; to stifle criticism. We do not yet know if that is the case here. (I wouldn&#039;t be at all surprised if it is. But it would help to know that first.)

Had Massie made her criticisms through a Facebook post, a letter to a local newspaper&#039;s editor, or a sign and a megaphone on the sidewalk outside, the council would have had nothing to say about it. Her right to free speech doesn&#039;t oblige the city council to let her commandeer its time as her platform, any more than the anti-Israel protestors&#039; rights obliged university campuses to allow them to commandeer the schools&#039; property.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Massie&#8217;s First Amendment rights give her the right to say whatever she likes without fear of arrest <i>on her own time through any platform legally available to her</i>. If the rules of the meeting forbid personally identified accusation or criticism of council members during question period, and she ignored directions to comply with those rules, she is disturbing the peace and is lawfully subject to arrest, just as much as the anti-Trump protestors screaming outside the homes of Supreme Court justices at three in the morning should have been.</p>
<p><i>&#8220;The city council’s rule forbidding any criticism of any city employee is absurdly unconstitutional&#8230;.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>The rule doesn&#8217;t forbid criticism of city employees. It forbids <i>using the question period of the public meeting</i> to do so, because if such meetings couldn&#8217;t shut down people who did nothing except fling accusations and vituperation at the council-members in the guise of free speech, nothing could be done and there would be no point to having such meetings. Nor does the Pennsylvania case disprove that principle: the Pennsylvania school board lost their case not because they <i>had</i> such a rule but because the evidence showed they <i>selectively enforced it</i> to stifle criticism. We do not yet know if that is the case here. (I wouldn&#8217;t be at all surprised if it is. But it would help to know that first.)</p>
<p>Had Massie made her criticisms through a Facebook post, a letter to a local newspaper&#8217;s editor, or a sign and a megaphone on the sidewalk outside, the council would have had nothing to say about it. Her right to free speech doesn&#8217;t oblige the city council to let her commandeer its time as her platform, any more than the anti-Israel protestors&#8217; rights obliged university campuses to allow them to commandeer the schools&#8217; property.</p>
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		By: Andrea N.		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrea N.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Aug 2024 23:31:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Simon Campbell brought tears to my eyes. Beautiful, thank you sir! 

Thoughts and prayers for Great Britain.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simon Campbell brought tears to my eyes. Beautiful, thank you sir! </p>
<p>Thoughts and prayers for Great Britain.</p>
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		By: nraendowment		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[nraendowment]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Aug 2024 14:37:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I pray that Ms. Massie sues them into the ground.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I pray that Ms. Massie sues them into the ground.</p>
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		By: BLSinSC		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BLSinSC]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Aug 2024 13:04:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[These School Boards seem to have an issue with GEOGRAPHY!  Some of them seem to think they are located in some fascist Nazi Nation rather than The United States of America!  Their &quot;rules&quot; concerning criticism of their performances are simply THEIR rules!  Did the School District VOTE for those rules?  NO!  So if the BOARD established &quot;decorum&quot; rules then they are the only ones who are RULED by THEIR RULES!  I do hope that Lady sues and WINS (as she should) and then the Mayor and School Board are all Voted OUT of office soon!   This kind of DICTATORSHIP of SCHOOLS is prevalent and illegal so a few more PRECEDENTS might just wake a few of the &quot;woke&quot;!!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These School Boards seem to have an issue with GEOGRAPHY!  Some of them seem to think they are located in some fascist Nazi Nation rather than The United States of America!  Their &#8220;rules&#8221; concerning criticism of their performances are simply THEIR rules!  Did the School District VOTE for those rules?  NO!  So if the BOARD established &#8220;decorum&#8221; rules then they are the only ones who are RULED by THEIR RULES!  I do hope that Lady sues and WINS (as she should) and then the Mayor and School Board are all Voted OUT of office soon!   This kind of DICTATORSHIP of SCHOOLS is prevalent and illegal so a few more PRECEDENTS might just wake a few of the &#8220;woke&#8221;!!</p>
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		By: David Eastman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Eastman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Aug 2024 05:41:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As of 10:37pm 8/28, the link you provide to his government page does include the photo and phone number. So either it was de-scrubbed, or, more likely, was not actually scrubbed but just the page got hammered by visitors and stopped serving the image. The page you link in turn has a link to the Facebook for Surprise city mayor, and the comments on every post there are going wild.

I would expect they will settle with Mrs. Massie very quickly, because if this goes to a judge, there is lots of recent precedent that not only are they in the wrong and liable, but there is no grounds for any kind of limited liability or immunity and the mayor and possibly the arresting officers are themselves potentially liable for damages.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As of 10:37pm 8/28, the link you provide to his government page does include the photo and phone number. So either it was de-scrubbed, or, more likely, was not actually scrubbed but just the page got hammered by visitors and stopped serving the image. The page you link in turn has a link to the Facebook for Surprise city mayor, and the comments on every post there are going wild.</p>
<p>I would expect they will settle with Mrs. Massie very quickly, because if this goes to a judge, there is lots of recent precedent that not only are they in the wrong and liable, but there is no grounds for any kind of limited liability or immunity and the mayor and possibly the arresting officers are themselves potentially liable for damages.</p>
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		By: Jeff Wright		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Wright]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Aug 2024 04:02:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Just understand Greens and others like to disrupt things too.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just understand Greens and others like to disrupt things too.</p>
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		By: Cotour		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cotour]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Aug 2024 20:06:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Related: It&#039;s all related:

ROBERT MALONE ON WHY HE SUPPORTS TRUMP

&quot;Read it if you like, it is a bit involved, but he plainly states what I have also been plainly stating regarding the psyops and desperate manipulations on going in our essential political decisions that must be correctly made by the people of America for the sake of our country and by extension the world. &quot;

https://www.sigma3ioc.com/post/dr-robert-malone]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Related: It&#8217;s all related:</p>
<p>ROBERT MALONE ON WHY HE SUPPORTS TRUMP</p>
<p>&#8220;Read it if you like, it is a bit involved, but he plainly states what I have also been plainly stating regarding the psyops and desperate manipulations on going in our essential political decisions that must be correctly made by the people of America for the sake of our country and by extension the world. &#8221;</p>
<p><a href="https://www.sigma3ioc.com/post/dr-robert-malone" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.sigma3ioc.com/post/dr-robert-malone</a></p>
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