Comments on: Trump bypasses Boeing to get an newly refurbished 747 Air Force One https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/trump-bypasses-boeing-to-get-an-newly-refurbished-747-air-force-one/ Mon, 05 May 2025 00:17:46 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: Robert Zimmerman https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/trump-bypasses-boeing-to-get-an-newly-refurbished-747-air-force-one/#comment-1583148 Mon, 05 May 2025 00:17:46 +0000 https://behindtheblack.com/?p=113824#comment-1583148 In reply to Geno.

Geno: I’d be curious when that was added. I suspect during the Biden years but of course that’s a guess. Either way, it is not necessary, no matter what people say. This is gold-plating the imperial presidency in ways that are absurd.

]]> By: Geno https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/trump-bypasses-boeing-to-get-an-newly-refurbished-747-air-force-one/#comment-1583144 Mon, 05 May 2025 00:05:22 +0000 https://behindtheblack.com/?p=113824#comment-1583144 Robert, one case in point I recall was mid-air refueling. Originally not in spec but added later after contract award.

]]> By: MDN https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/trump-bypasses-boeing-to-get-an-newly-refurbished-747-air-force-one/#comment-1582929 Sun, 04 May 2025 06:27:09 +0000 https://behindtheblack.com/?p=113824#comment-1582929 While I empathize with the frustration over Boeing’s poor performance I don’t know that this alternative is an acceptable solution. I say that as there is one significant requirement I doubt this aircraft can meet and that is to support aerial refueling. As the nation’s pre-eminent command and control platform that seems a pretty big feature to give up as randomly roaming around our national airspace is the safest haven there is should WWIII ever really come to pass.

And this provides no backup platform either which is another big limitation imho. We’ve built and maintained these platforms in pairs for the last 70 years for a reason.

If it were me I’d punt on the 747 and switch to retrofitting some C-17s instead. They are big enough, rugged as hell, support air to air refueling, support defensive countermeasures, and can land and take off from 100s to 1000s of more fields than a 747 can. And since it is a bit smaller you could push the press corps over to a standard 737 or something like that. So they can tag along on trips just not on the president’s ride.

]]> By: Jeff Wright https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/trump-bypasses-boeing-to-get-an-newly-refurbished-747-air-force-one/#comment-1582912 Sun, 04 May 2025 02:57:32 +0000 https://behindtheblack.com/?p=113824#comment-1582912 The 747 was perhaps the best thing Boeing ever built—behold:

https://x.com/aviationbrk/status/1898736723904868741

My…..it’s dusty in here…

]]> By: Robert Zimmerman https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/trump-bypasses-boeing-to-get-an-newly-refurbished-747-air-force-one/#comment-1582839 Sat, 03 May 2025 19:23:18 +0000 https://behindtheblack.com/?p=113824#comment-1582839 In reply to Geno.

Geno: In a fixed-priced contract, the government is not supposed to “constantly change a list of requirements”. Can you provide some specific examples of changes the government has demanded?

]]> By: Geno https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/trump-bypasses-boeing-to-get-an-newly-refurbished-747-air-force-one/#comment-1582838 Sat, 03 May 2025 19:03:24 +0000 https://behindtheblack.com/?p=113824#comment-1582838 The two aircraft Boeing has been working on are both used 747’s. Both had been sold to TransAero a Russian company that went Bankrupt. They had been stored in the Southwest of America and pulled for storage at a discounted price. As much as Boeing is dropping the ball on this, we should look at a constantly changing list of requirements that US Government agencies are imposing on Boeing.

]]> By: Mike Borgelt https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/trump-bypasses-boeing-to-get-an-newly-refurbished-747-air-force-one/#comment-1582684 Sat, 03 May 2025 05:01:03 +0000 https://behindtheblack.com/?p=113824#comment-1582684 I was going to buy some Boeing stock in 2015. Glad I did not.

]]> By: Greg the Geologist https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/trump-bypasses-boeing-to-get-an-newly-refurbished-747-air-force-one/#comment-1582538 Fri, 02 May 2025 21:29:05 +0000 https://behindtheblack.com/?p=113824#comment-1582538 Not missing the Boeing stock I dumped last year…

]]> By: Cotour https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/trump-bypasses-boeing-to-get-an-newly-refurbished-747-air-force-one/#comment-1582523 Fri, 02 May 2025 21:01:56 +0000 https://behindtheblack.com/?p=113824#comment-1582523 Directly related to taking care of business:

UKRAINE / SECURITY / RUSSIA / CCP CHINA

“President Trump and his team have drawn a financial, commodities and economic line that Vladamir Putin will not be likely to now cross if and when the war between Russia and Ukraine ends. Putin will push things as far as possible. And therein if and when the war ends lie Ukraine’s best approximation of a security guarantee. And yes, they are going to have to give up some territory. Compliments of Barak Hussein Obama and Joe Biden.”

Read the rest: https://www.sigma3ioc.com/post/ukraine-security-russia-ccp-china

The status quo government bureaucracy is not designed to actually take care of business or tell the truth about anything.

]]> By: F https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/trump-bypasses-boeing-to-get-an-newly-refurbished-747-air-force-one/#comment-1582512 Fri, 02 May 2025 20:45:25 +0000 https://behindtheblack.com/?p=113824#comment-1582512 Liberal pundits to begin criticizing Trump over this in 3 – 2 – 1 . . .

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