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		By: Dick Eagleson		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2025 11:36:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[sippin_bourbon,

&quot;Rocket Lab does not have a secondary company that can fund launches, such as Starlink does for SpaceX.&quot;

No, it doesn&#039;t - &lt;i&gt;yet.&lt;/i&gt;  Sir Pete &lt;i&gt;has&lt;/i&gt; actually made some noises about possibly ginning up RL&#039;s own more modest constellation - purpose apparently TBD.

But RL &lt;i&gt;has&lt;/i&gt; made a lot of acquisitions and now - like Aeronca - makes more money selling space hardware bits and bobs of various sorts than it does doing launches of Electron.  Launch may well take center stage again, financially, once Neutron is operational, but space components will remain a major revenue source.

Interestingly, this is an area in which RL has long-preceded SpaceX.  SpaceX only recently got into the components business by putting the optical terminals it builds in such profusion for Starlink on the market under the moniker Plug-and-Play-ser.  Whether other items will be added to SpaceX&#039;s parts catalog over time is unknown.  I&#039;ve often thought both the Kestrel engine used on the 2nd stage of the Falcon 1 and the SuperDracos used on Crew Dragons might find takers if put on sale.

With Rocket Lab&#039;s recent purchase of Mynaric, it now is actually in direct competition with SpaceX in the components business as Mynaric makes optical terminals for satellites too.  Prior to the acquisition, Mynaric&#039;s problem was production.  RL has proven adept at sorting out production at previously acquired companies and I don&#039;t expect Mynaric to be any exception.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sippin_bourbon,</p>
<p>&#8220;Rocket Lab does not have a secondary company that can fund launches, such as Starlink does for SpaceX.&#8221;</p>
<p>No, it doesn&#8217;t &#8211; <i>yet.</i>  Sir Pete <i>has</i> actually made some noises about possibly ginning up RL&#8217;s own more modest constellation &#8211; purpose apparently TBD.</p>
<p>But RL <i>has</i> made a lot of acquisitions and now &#8211; like Aeronca &#8211; makes more money selling space hardware bits and bobs of various sorts than it does doing launches of Electron.  Launch may well take center stage again, financially, once Neutron is operational, but space components will remain a major revenue source.</p>
<p>Interestingly, this is an area in which RL has long-preceded SpaceX.  SpaceX only recently got into the components business by putting the optical terminals it builds in such profusion for Starlink on the market under the moniker Plug-and-Play-ser.  Whether other items will be added to SpaceX&#8217;s parts catalog over time is unknown.  I&#8217;ve often thought both the Kestrel engine used on the 2nd stage of the Falcon 1 and the SuperDracos used on Crew Dragons might find takers if put on sale.</p>
<p>With Rocket Lab&#8217;s recent purchase of Mynaric, it now is actually in direct competition with SpaceX in the components business as Mynaric makes optical terminals for satellites too.  Prior to the acquisition, Mynaric&#8217;s problem was production.  RL has proven adept at sorting out production at previously acquired companies and I don&#8217;t expect Mynaric to be any exception.</p>
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		By: sippin_bourbon		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2025 01:29:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Rocket Lab’s numbers continue to rise, suggesting the company is about to finally begin launching more than once a month.&quot;

Technically, 13 is more than once an month... on average.

They have another one announced for next week I believe. 
And I think they have others that they are hoping to launch this year, but the dates are not set.
They play the cards close to the vest on launches. 
I have noticed they go in spurts.

I saw an interview with Sir P. Beck where he stated that the paperwork and cargo readiness are always the hold ups.
I think they could launch far more often if those two issues were satisfied more often.

Subtract Starlink missions.  How often does SpaceX launch?  
136 launches this year, 39-ish  of which are not Starlink.

Rocket Lab does not have a secondary company that can fund launches, such as Starlink does for SpaceX.*

When comparing apples to apples** 39 vs 13 launches is competitive.
And no one else is close.
I think this, as a subcategory, is worth watching.


*Before anyone gets riled, I am not talking down Spacex.  They have proven that Falcon 9 is an excellent launch system and illustrated re-usability beyond dispute.  I am laboring the fact that launching the largest mega-constellation in existence helps boost numbers. But it also suggests robbing Peter to pay Paul. 

**Okay, maybe very small apples.  Up mass is another category all together. I have not crunched the mass numbers for those non-Starlink launches.

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In some ways, Rocket Lab reminds me of Aeronca Aircraft. 
That company made a few aircraft in the early days.  Nice ones. There are still a few examples flying.
But they really made their money in engines and parts for airframes.
They eventually stopped building whole aircraft and focused on where they money was.
They still exist as a subsidiary.

Personally, I hope they do not follow that path, and want to see Neutron as vehicle used in well into the future.

Additionally, their HASTE launches are rarely mentioned anywhere, as they are tied to NatSec.

(Note, your spam filter seems to hate me. I keep getting rejections. I hope you do not end up with multiple posts.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Rocket Lab’s numbers continue to rise, suggesting the company is about to finally begin launching more than once a month.&#8221;</p>
<p>Technically, 13 is more than once an month&#8230; on average.</p>
<p>They have another one announced for next week I believe.<br />
And I think they have others that they are hoping to launch this year, but the dates are not set.<br />
They play the cards close to the vest on launches.<br />
I have noticed they go in spurts.</p>
<p>I saw an interview with Sir P. Beck where he stated that the paperwork and cargo readiness are always the hold ups.<br />
I think they could launch far more often if those two issues were satisfied more often.</p>
<p>Subtract Starlink missions.  How often does SpaceX launch?<br />
136 launches this year, 39-ish  of which are not Starlink.</p>
<p>Rocket Lab does not have a secondary company that can fund launches, such as Starlink does for SpaceX.*</p>
<p>When comparing apples to apples** 39 vs 13 launches is competitive.<br />
And no one else is close.<br />
I think this, as a subcategory, is worth watching.</p>
<p>*Before anyone gets riled, I am not talking down Spacex.  They have proven that Falcon 9 is an excellent launch system and illustrated re-usability beyond dispute.  I am laboring the fact that launching the largest mega-constellation in existence helps boost numbers. But it also suggests robbing Peter to pay Paul. </p>
<p>**Okay, maybe very small apples.  Up mass is another category all together. I have not crunched the mass numbers for those non-Starlink launches.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>In some ways, Rocket Lab reminds me of Aeronca Aircraft.<br />
That company made a few aircraft in the early days.  Nice ones. There are still a few examples flying.<br />
But they really made their money in engines and parts for airframes.<br />
They eventually stopped building whole aircraft and focused on where they money was.<br />
They still exist as a subsidiary.</p>
<p>Personally, I hope they do not follow that path, and want to see Neutron as vehicle used in well into the future.</p>
<p>Additionally, their HASTE launches are rarely mentioned anywhere, as they are tied to NatSec.</p>
<p>(Note, your spam filter seems to hate me. I keep getting rejections. I hope you do not end up with multiple posts.)</p>
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		By: Dick Eagleson		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dick Eagleson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2025 21:29:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[geoffc,

Yes, the mass-to-orbit claim is correct.  About 2/3 of F9 launches are Starlink missions and these always fly with maximum payloads of about 16 tonnes.  Shuttle was theoretically capable of hauling more than that to LEO, but almost never did so.  Its average payload mass actually delivered to LEO was well below that of F9.

Records for total time spent on-orbit by reusable vehicles belong to Space Force&#039;s fleet of two X-37Bs with SpaceX&#039;s Dragons probably running a strong second - I haven&#039;t totted up the numbers to be sure.  Those records will likely all fall to Starship at some point.

Shuttle retains all records for re-entries from orbit by reusable vehicles - at least for the nonce.  Starship will eventually eclipse those too, and will likely do so well before the end of the current decade.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>geoffc,</p>
<p>Yes, the mass-to-orbit claim is correct.  About 2/3 of F9 launches are Starlink missions and these always fly with maximum payloads of about 16 tonnes.  Shuttle was theoretically capable of hauling more than that to LEO, but almost never did so.  Its average payload mass actually delivered to LEO was well below that of F9.</p>
<p>Records for total time spent on-orbit by reusable vehicles belong to Space Force&#8217;s fleet of two X-37Bs with SpaceX&#8217;s Dragons probably running a strong second &#8211; I haven&#8217;t totted up the numbers to be sure.  Those records will likely all fall to Starship at some point.</p>
<p>Shuttle retains all records for re-entries from orbit by reusable vehicles &#8211; at least for the nonce.  Starship will eventually eclipse those too, and will likely do so well before the end of the current decade.</p>
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		By: geoffc		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2025 16:06:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Elon pointed out in a tweet that this year alone, F9 will launch more times, and carry more payload, than the entire 30 year history of the Space Shuttle program,

135 shuttle launches right?  Should be past that now (your number includes F-H and Starship) but if not, will be in 3 days. 

Curious about mass to orbit though.  Very curious if that comment is correct.  Starlink which basically maxes out the F-9 on mass to LEO is a great way to max out payload to orbit.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elon pointed out in a tweet that this year alone, F9 will launch more times, and carry more payload, than the entire 30 year history of the Space Shuttle program,</p>
<p>135 shuttle launches right?  Should be past that now (your number includes F-H and Starship) but if not, will be in 3 days. </p>
<p>Curious about mass to orbit though.  Very curious if that comment is correct.  Starlink which basically maxes out the F-9 on mass to LEO is a great way to max out payload to orbit.</p>
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		By: Robert Zimmerman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert Zimmerman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2025 01:55:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/two-more-launches-by-china-and-spacex-respectively/#comment-1624122&quot;&gt;Call Me Ishmael&lt;/a&gt;.

Call Me Ishmael. Yes of course. Fixed. Thank you.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/two-more-launches-by-china-and-spacex-respectively/#comment-1624122">Call Me Ishmael</a>.</p>
<p>Call Me Ishmael. Yes of course. Fixed. Thank you.</p>
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		By: Call Me Ishmael		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;… beating the record set in 2025&quot;

2024, I believe.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;… beating the record set in 2025&#8221;</p>
<p>2024, I believe.</p>
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