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		By: Concerned		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Concerned]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2022 15:17:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Unless this Virginal Orbit outfit snags some Brazilian military satellite launches, this will be a non-starter. There are already far cheaper launch alternatives for commercial smallsats, and only military applications require the kind of dedicated  capability this expensive, outdated airlaunch system provides.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unless this Virginal Orbit outfit snags some Brazilian military satellite launches, this will be a non-starter. There are already far cheaper launch alternatives for commercial smallsats, and only military applications require the kind of dedicated  capability this expensive, outdated airlaunch system provides.</p>
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		By: Blair Ivey		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Blair Ivey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2022 06:13:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Edward: Per discussion of launch points; thanks!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Edward: Per discussion of launch points; thanks!</p>
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		By: Edward		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Edward]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jun 2022 23:19:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;Robert &lt;/strong&gt;wrote: &quot;&lt;em&gt;Being able to launch smallsats from the equator gives Virgin Orbit the ability to place those satellites in any orbit around the Earth for far less fuel, an advantage not available to spaceports at higher latitudes.&lt;/em&gt;&quot; 

This is a common misconception.  The ideal launch point for any orbital inclination is the latitude that corresponds to that inclination.  KSC is ideal for launching into a 28.5˚ inclination orbit.  The &quot;throw&quot; at the equator begins to be offset by the need to spend propellant to go northward.  Eventually, a 90˚ polar orbit would have to counter the speed of the equatorial &quot;throw&quot; that had seemed to be an advantage. 

If I were only allowed one launch site on Earth, then I would choose the equator, because the difference is not terribly great, only a delta-v of around 300 miles per hour more from the equator to a 60˚ orbit than launching from 60˚ latitude (less than 2% difference), but there is definitely an advantage to launching from the right latitude. However, it is better to distribute them similar to how we have them now:  Equator (e.g. Kourou, French Guiana, KSC, and Russia&#039;s northern (almost 60˚) sites.  Farther from the equator gives nice entry points to sun synchronous orbits, which are slightly retrograde (greater than 90˚),  which is why these orbits are the focus of discussion for the New Zealand site, the Scottish sites, and the Alaskan site.  The Equator is nice, as many payloads in the past have been destined for geostationary orbit, directly above the equator, giving an advantage to Arianespace and its Ariane rocket family.  

Virgin Orbit&#039;s advantage is that it can fly to any (or almost any) latitude so that its airplane-launched rocket can launch from the most advantageous place.  This is an advantage not available to fixed-location spaceports.  

On the other hand, launching from a higher latitude to a geostationary orbit can be very costly in delta-v, as an orbital plane change is needed.  That delta-v can be a couple of thousand miles per hour, whereas an equatorial launch requires no plane change and no delta-v propellant expenditure.  

To paraphrase Sir Walter Scott(?): Oh! What a tangled web we weave, when first we practice orbital mechanics.  

&lt;strong&gt;Original Mark &lt;/strong&gt;is correct, there is nothing to stop South American countries from having strong economies.  A century ago, Argentina was in competition with America for economic dominance in the Western Hemisphere.  Then Argentina elected a dictator, and that competition was over.  

Oh, wait!  I&#039;m wrong.  There &lt;em&gt;is &lt;/em&gt;something that can stop Western Hemisphere countries from having strong economies.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Robert </strong>wrote: &#8220;<em>Being able to launch smallsats from the equator gives Virgin Orbit the ability to place those satellites in any orbit around the Earth for far less fuel, an advantage not available to spaceports at higher latitudes.</em>&#8221; </p>
<p>This is a common misconception.  The ideal launch point for any orbital inclination is the latitude that corresponds to that inclination.  KSC is ideal for launching into a 28.5˚ inclination orbit.  The &#8220;throw&#8221; at the equator begins to be offset by the need to spend propellant to go northward.  Eventually, a 90˚ polar orbit would have to counter the speed of the equatorial &#8220;throw&#8221; that had seemed to be an advantage. </p>
<p>If I were only allowed one launch site on Earth, then I would choose the equator, because the difference is not terribly great, only a delta-v of around 300 miles per hour more from the equator to a 60˚ orbit than launching from 60˚ latitude (less than 2% difference), but there is definitely an advantage to launching from the right latitude. However, it is better to distribute them similar to how we have them now:  Equator (e.g. Kourou, French Guiana, KSC, and Russia&#8217;s northern (almost 60˚) sites.  Farther from the equator gives nice entry points to sun synchronous orbits, which are slightly retrograde (greater than 90˚),  which is why these orbits are the focus of discussion for the New Zealand site, the Scottish sites, and the Alaskan site.  The Equator is nice, as many payloads in the past have been destined for geostationary orbit, directly above the equator, giving an advantage to Arianespace and its Ariane rocket family.  </p>
<p>Virgin Orbit&#8217;s advantage is that it can fly to any (or almost any) latitude so that its airplane-launched rocket can launch from the most advantageous place.  This is an advantage not available to fixed-location spaceports.  </p>
<p>On the other hand, launching from a higher latitude to a geostationary orbit can be very costly in delta-v, as an orbital plane change is needed.  That delta-v can be a couple of thousand miles per hour, whereas an equatorial launch requires no plane change and no delta-v propellant expenditure.  </p>
<p>To paraphrase Sir Walter Scott(?): Oh! What a tangled web we weave, when first we practice orbital mechanics.  </p>
<p><strong>Original Mark </strong>is correct, there is nothing to stop South American countries from having strong economies.  A century ago, Argentina was in competition with America for economic dominance in the Western Hemisphere.  Then Argentina elected a dictator, and that competition was over.  </p>
<p>Oh, wait!  I&#8217;m wrong.  There <em>is </em>something that can stop Western Hemisphere countries from having strong economies.</p>
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		By: BtB’s Original Mark		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jun 2022 18:55:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Brazil is the country of the future... and always will be,&quot; observed Charles de Gaulle about Latin America&#039;s largest economy. That statement epitomizes the Economic &#038; Political Roller Coaster that is Brazil.
I am rooting for Brazil and I hope that it has a successful future in Space.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Brazil is the country of the future&#8230; and always will be,&#8221; observed Charles de Gaulle about Latin America&#8217;s largest economy. That statement epitomizes the Economic &amp; Political Roller Coaster that is Brazil.<br />
I am rooting for Brazil and I hope that it has a successful future in Space.</p>
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