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		By: Blair Ivey		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Blair Ivey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Sep 2022 06:54:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;For Webb’s premium price, we should expect premium science.&quot;

That made me laugh. I maintain that humor is based on pain, and the Webb cost is painful, indeed. However, despite the armchair-quarterbacking many (ahem) engaged in, I am very pleased to see the machine functioning in a nominal capacity. There are those random rock strikes, though . . .]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;For Webb’s premium price, we should expect premium science.&#8221;</p>
<p>That made me laugh. I maintain that humor is based on pain, and the Webb cost is painful, indeed. However, despite the armchair-quarterbacking many (ahem) engaged in, I am very pleased to see the machine functioning in a nominal capacity. There are those random rock strikes, though . . .</p>
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		By: GaryMike		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[GaryMike]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Sep 2022 02:13:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Edward,

My beef is not with the principle investigator(s). They have one-year proprietary periods allowing them time to publish their discoveries free of opportunistic piracy.

My beef is with folks who treat stuff like art open to interpretation more than education that gets to the point.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Edward,</p>
<p>My beef is not with the principle investigator(s). They have one-year proprietary periods allowing them time to publish their discoveries free of opportunistic piracy.</p>
<p>My beef is with folks who treat stuff like art open to interpretation more than education that gets to the point.</p>
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		By: Edward		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Edward]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Sep 2022 00:54:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[GaryMike. 
I hope you taught your students how to do their own research, as this is how we get lifelong learning, as opposed to the standard amount of school learning, five-hours a day of stuff that (at the time) we find uninteresting.  Once we are out of school, we get to research the stuff that interests us.  We may even think that it interests other people enough that we turn that research into a book or two (the royalties almost coming close to nearly being worth the time spent).  

I&#039;m not sure how much interpretation the rest of us are supposed to do.  We pay the principal investigator and his team to do this.  It seems to me that the importance of these two photographs is for us to understand that the different wavelengths present us with different information, explaining why we want telescopes that see in more than just visible light.  

The Hubble telescope originally cost us three times its intended price, but after the scheduled maintenance and upgrades, we are getting science from it that costs reasonably close to the intended price.  It is a good thing that Webb is giving us all this information.  Each of its photographs costs us about ten times what we had intended (assuming it lasts its intended lifespan), plus it cost us the science that was lost due to the cost overruns (lost opportunity costs).  For Webb&#039;s premium price, we should expect premium science.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GaryMike.<br />
I hope you taught your students how to do their own research, as this is how we get lifelong learning, as opposed to the standard amount of school learning, five-hours a day of stuff that (at the time) we find uninteresting.  Once we are out of school, we get to research the stuff that interests us.  We may even think that it interests other people enough that we turn that research into a book or two (the royalties almost coming close to nearly being worth the time spent).  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure how much interpretation the rest of us are supposed to do.  We pay the principal investigator and his team to do this.  It seems to me that the importance of these two photographs is for us to understand that the different wavelengths present us with different information, explaining why we want telescopes that see in more than just visible light.  </p>
<p>The Hubble telescope originally cost us three times its intended price, but after the scheduled maintenance and upgrades, we are getting science from it that costs reasonably close to the intended price.  It is a good thing that Webb is giving us all this information.  Each of its photographs costs us about ten times what we had intended (assuming it lasts its intended lifespan), plus it cost us the science that was lost due to the cost overruns (lost opportunity costs).  For Webb&#8217;s premium price, we should expect premium science.</p>
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		By: GaryMike		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[GaryMike]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Sep 2022 07:14:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[RZ:

&quot;They are not keeping it secret, in the slightest.&quot;

I&#039;m busy. The information should have been given up front so I don&#039;t have to do &quot;a little bit of searching &quot;

Having been a teacher in an earlier professional life, I never told my students to &quot;do my job for me&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RZ:</p>
<p>&#8220;They are not keeping it secret, in the slightest.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m busy. The information should have been given up front so I don&#8217;t have to do &#8220;a little bit of searching &#8221;</p>
<p>Having been a teacher in an earlier professional life, I never told my students to &#8220;do my job for me&#8221;.</p>
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		By: Robert Zimmerman		</title>
		<link>https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/webbs-infrared-view-of-the-tarantula-nebula/#comment-1349433</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert Zimmerman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Sep 2022 02:03:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/webbs-infrared-view-of-the-tarantula-nebula/#comment-1349418&quot;&gt;GaryMike&lt;/a&gt;.

GaryMike: The press release describes in very good detail the different meanings of the colors. If you really want to find out, I guarantee that a little bit of searching on the web will find this info. They are not keeping it secret, in the slightest.

You know I have little trust or love of government. You know I considered Webb an overpriced boondoggle. But I don&#039;t assume everything done by the government is automatically evil. When it comes to these NASA projects, NASA is legally required to make the data available, and does so. You simply have to look for it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/webbs-infrared-view-of-the-tarantula-nebula/#comment-1349418">GaryMike</a>.</p>
<p>GaryMike: The press release describes in very good detail the different meanings of the colors. If you really want to find out, I guarantee that a little bit of searching on the web will find this info. They are not keeping it secret, in the slightest.</p>
<p>You know I have little trust or love of government. You know I considered Webb an overpriced boondoggle. But I don&#8217;t assume everything done by the government is automatically evil. When it comes to these NASA projects, NASA is legally required to make the data available, and does so. You simply have to look for it.</p>
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		By: GaryMike		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[GaryMike]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Sep 2022 00:34:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The rest of us cannot possibly interpret the images in a meaningful way without  a wavelength vs.assigned color/interpreted physical process scorecard.

Not in the budget? No need for the curtain to be opened.

Who are taxpayers to care?

Don&#039;t let the curtain be opened.

There are papers to be written for professional credit.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The rest of us cannot possibly interpret the images in a meaningful way without  a wavelength vs.assigned color/interpreted physical process scorecard.</p>
<p>Not in the budget? No need for the curtain to be opened.</p>
<p>Who are taxpayers to care?</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t let the curtain be opened.</p>
<p>There are papers to be written for professional credit.</p>
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		By: Robert Zimmerman		</title>
		<link>https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/webbs-infrared-view-of-the-tarantula-nebula/#comment-1349392</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert Zimmerman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2022 21:14:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/webbs-infrared-view-of-the-tarantula-nebula/#comment-1349385&quot;&gt;Andi&lt;/a&gt;.

Andi. Fixed. Thank you.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/webbs-infrared-view-of-the-tarantula-nebula/#comment-1349385">Andi</a>.</p>
<p>Andi. Fixed. Thank you.</p>
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		By: Andi		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2022 19:50:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Minor edit in first paragraph: &quot;two different views&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Minor edit in first paragraph: &#8220;two different views&#8221;</p>
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