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		By: Edward		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Edward]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Nov 2019 22:43:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Censorship can be done by anyone, anywhere, and at any time.  It need not be a government official doing it, and it need not be on a public forum.  We can even self-censor ourselves in what we say or write.  I do this every once in a while when I mention that something, such as these organizations engaging in censorship, is a cluster [bleep].  

From the movie &lt;i&gt;Heartbreak Ridge&lt;/i&gt;: 
&quot;&lt;i&gt;Colonel Meyers: What&#039;s your assessment of this exercise?

&lt;/i&gt;&quot;&lt;i&gt;Highway: It&#039;s a cluster [bleep].

&lt;/i&gt;&quot;&lt;i&gt;Colonel Meyers: Say again?

&lt;/i&gt;&quot;&lt;i&gt;Highway: Marines are fighting men, sir. They shouldn&#039;t be sitting around on their sorry asses filling out request forms for equipment they should already have.

&lt;/i&gt;&quot;&lt;i&gt;Colonel Meyers: Interesting observation.&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

Look at that.  I even censored a quote from a movie.  

We shouldn&#039;t be sitting around letting our social media monopolies remove the freedoms we are supposed to already have.  

wayne wrote: &quot;&lt;i&gt;I don’t need to hear what Ciaramella “feels” happened on the phone call, we have the transcript, which the president released.&lt;/i&gt;&quot; 

We may not need to know what he feels about it or even what he thinks about it, but he is the source of the complaint that begat the impeachment.  How this complaint came about is important, especially since he had nothing to do with the events that brought about his complaint but is based solely upon a rumor that he heard.  It is important for the investigation to include all the details of how this complaint came to be.  We need to hear those details.  For Congress to not investigate them would be similar to government officials censoring the public forum investigation.  

A second-hand rumor is all that it took to get Congress to start looking at this event for impeachable offenses.  This would be surprising, even shocking, except that at least one Democrat has said that if the president is not impeached by Congress then he would easily win reelection.  Thus, the Democratic Party is doing all that it can to find some modicum of excuse for such an impeachment.  

Wait.  Doesn&#039;t that make this impeachment investigation a campaign ploy by the Democrats at taxpayer expense rather than DNC expense?  They found a way to use government against their political rival.  

Wait.  Isn&#039;t that what they accused Trump of doing with a request to investigate Biden&#039;s self-proclaimed extortion of The Ukraine -- again, with taxpayer money?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Censorship can be done by anyone, anywhere, and at any time.  It need not be a government official doing it, and it need not be on a public forum.  We can even self-censor ourselves in what we say or write.  I do this every once in a while when I mention that something, such as these organizations engaging in censorship, is a cluster [bleep].  </p>
<p>From the movie <i>Heartbreak Ridge</i>:<br />
&#8220;<i>Colonel Meyers: What&#8217;s your assessment of this exercise?</p>
<p></i>&#8220;<i>Highway: It&#8217;s a cluster [bleep].</p>
<p></i>&#8220;<i>Colonel Meyers: Say again?</p>
<p></i>&#8220;<i>Highway: Marines are fighting men, sir. They shouldn&#8217;t be sitting around on their sorry asses filling out request forms for equipment they should already have.</p>
<p></i>&#8220;<i>Colonel Meyers: Interesting observation.</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>Look at that.  I even censored a quote from a movie.  </p>
<p>We shouldn&#8217;t be sitting around letting our social media monopolies remove the freedoms we are supposed to already have.  </p>
<p>wayne wrote: &#8220;<i>I don’t need to hear what Ciaramella “feels” happened on the phone call, we have the transcript, which the president released.</i>&#8221; </p>
<p>We may not need to know what he feels about it or even what he thinks about it, but he is the source of the complaint that begat the impeachment.  How this complaint came about is important, especially since he had nothing to do with the events that brought about his complaint but is based solely upon a rumor that he heard.  It is important for the investigation to include all the details of how this complaint came to be.  We need to hear those details.  For Congress to not investigate them would be similar to government officials censoring the public forum investigation.  </p>
<p>A second-hand rumor is all that it took to get Congress to start looking at this event for impeachable offenses.  This would be surprising, even shocking, except that at least one Democrat has said that if the president is not impeached by Congress then he would easily win reelection.  Thus, the Democratic Party is doing all that it can to find some modicum of excuse for such an impeachment.  </p>
<p>Wait.  Doesn&#8217;t that make this impeachment investigation a campaign ploy by the Democrats at taxpayer expense rather than DNC expense?  They found a way to use government against their political rival.  </p>
<p>Wait.  Isn&#8217;t that what they accused Trump of doing with a request to investigate Biden&#8217;s self-proclaimed extortion of The Ukraine &#8212; again, with taxpayer money?</p>
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		By: Max		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Max]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Nov 2019 20:29:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A new twist related to the subject; 
    After the IRS prevented many organizations under Obama from getting nonprofit status,(tea party&#039;s) A newspaper has been given the status 0f 501C3 without any fuss. It appears they will not have to change their business model much either. Google has already announce their intentions to be a big donor.
  Key quote from the article;
   
This approval opens the doors for many more commercial legacy newspapers to seek tax-deductible status and philanthropic funding — a potential lifeline for local news outlets whose owners agree to &quot;&quot;give up control&quot;&quot;.

https://www.niemanlab.org/2019/11/meet-the-salt-lake-tribune-501c3-the-irs-has-granted-nonprofit-status-to-a-daily-newspaper-for-the-first-time/

   Newspaper is owned  by the billionaire family of the huntsman chemical, (Who developed MTB oxygenated fuel which acted as rusting agent for underground metal fuel tanks which led to the poisoning of the groundwater throughout California responsible for thousands getting cancer) his son entered politics, and all of Huntsman&#039;s problems went away.
  They built the Huntsman Cancer Institute, (perhaps out of guilt?).(my father-in-law went in for minor cancer surgery, he didn&#039;t survive)

   You heard of his son &quot;John Huntsman&quot; a Republican who ran for president. Quit as Utah governor, after his reelection, to join Obama to be his diplomat to China. Then diplomat to Russia for President Trump. he was also the leader of the deep state support organization called the Atlantic Council. (Look it up)
   Rumors are that Jon Huntsman is back, wants to be governor again. I wonder if he ever decided what party to join. I guess it doesn&#039;t matter when you have Google behind you, and you own a nonprofit newspaper.
   It&#039;s curious that everything you hear in the news about the Clintons, Biden, Obama, Russia and Trump happened while he was ambassador.
       Don&#039;t look behind the curtain!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A new twist related to the subject;<br />
    After the IRS prevented many organizations under Obama from getting nonprofit status,(tea party&#8217;s) A newspaper has been given the status 0f 501C3 without any fuss. It appears they will not have to change their business model much either. Google has already announce their intentions to be a big donor.<br />
  Key quote from the article;</p>
<p>This approval opens the doors for many more commercial legacy newspapers to seek tax-deductible status and philanthropic funding — a potential lifeline for local news outlets whose owners agree to &#8220;&#8221;give up control&#8221;&#8221;.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.niemanlab.org/2019/11/meet-the-salt-lake-tribune-501c3-the-irs-has-granted-nonprofit-status-to-a-daily-newspaper-for-the-first-time/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.niemanlab.org/2019/11/meet-the-salt-lake-tribune-501c3-the-irs-has-granted-nonprofit-status-to-a-daily-newspaper-for-the-first-time/</a></p>
<p>   Newspaper is owned  by the billionaire family of the huntsman chemical, (Who developed MTB oxygenated fuel which acted as rusting agent for underground metal fuel tanks which led to the poisoning of the groundwater throughout California responsible for thousands getting cancer) his son entered politics, and all of Huntsman&#8217;s problems went away.<br />
  They built the Huntsman Cancer Institute, (perhaps out of guilt?).(my father-in-law went in for minor cancer surgery, he didn&#8217;t survive)</p>
<p>   You heard of his son &#8220;John Huntsman&#8221; a Republican who ran for president. Quit as Utah governor, after his reelection, to join Obama to be his diplomat to China. Then diplomat to Russia for President Trump. he was also the leader of the deep state support organization called the Atlantic Council. (Look it up)<br />
   Rumors are that Jon Huntsman is back, wants to be governor again. I wonder if he ever decided what party to join. I guess it doesn&#8217;t matter when you have Google behind you, and you own a nonprofit newspaper.<br />
   It&#8217;s curious that everything you hear in the news about the Clintons, Biden, Obama, Russia and Trump happened while he was ambassador.<br />
       Don&#8217;t look behind the curtain!</p>
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		By: kahall		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kahall]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Nov 2019 15:31:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Just wanted to mention that facebook is indeed deleting any mention of Eric Ciaramella. They removed it from my page and I have absolutely no reach at all . Maybe 100 actual real people might be able to see it if that. Also it&#039;s just gone along with a few comments on it and those notifications. No message from FB about it notifying me or anything. This is a first for me.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just wanted to mention that facebook is indeed deleting any mention of Eric Ciaramella. They removed it from my page and I have absolutely no reach at all . Maybe 100 actual real people might be able to see it if that. Also it&#8217;s just gone along with a few comments on it and those notifications. No message from FB about it notifying me or anything. This is a first for me.</p>
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		By: wayne		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[wayne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Nov 2019 01:31:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Helter Stelter&quot;
 Louder With Crowder
August 2019
https://youtu.be/t31rUX3QDiQ
4:01]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Helter Stelter&#8221;<br />
 Louder With Crowder<br />
August 2019<br />
<a href="https://youtu.be/t31rUX3QDiQ" rel="nofollow ugc">https://youtu.be/t31rUX3QDiQ</a><br />
4:01</p>
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		By: wayne		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[wayne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Nov 2019 01:22:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t need to hear what Ciaramella &quot;feels&quot; happened on the phone call, we have the transcript, which the president released.
Ciaramella needs to be rendered to the naval base at Guantanamo Bay and questioned, to within an inch of his life. 

&quot;Should we reform Section 230?&quot; [1996 Communications Decency Act]
American Enterprise Institute
September 2019
https://youtu.be/vnB-UNSHuOU
1:27:54]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t need to hear what Ciaramella &#8220;feels&#8221; happened on the phone call, we have the transcript, which the president released.<br />
Ciaramella needs to be rendered to the naval base at Guantanamo Bay and questioned, to within an inch of his life. </p>
<p>&#8220;Should we reform Section 230?&#8221; [1996 Communications Decency Act]<br />
American Enterprise Institute<br />
September 2019<br />
<a href="https://youtu.be/vnB-UNSHuOU" rel="nofollow ugc">https://youtu.be/vnB-UNSHuOU</a><br />
1:27:54</p>
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		By: Jerry Greenwood		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jerry Greenwood]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Nov 2019 23:07:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Earlier I put &quot;Facebook is removing any content that mentions the name of CIA analyst Eric Ciaramella&quot; on facebook.  

Still there.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Earlier I put &#8220;Facebook is removing any content that mentions the name of CIA analyst Eric Ciaramella&#8221; on facebook.  </p>
<p>Still there.</p>
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		By: Wodun		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wodun]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Nov 2019 19:14:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[They are trying to claim that if Trump benefits from an action, it&#039;s abuse of power. However, everything a President does can either hurt them or benefit them politically. That is the nature of the job. 

Also, the President sets foreign policy and that is inherently political as well.

It isn&#039;t surprising that Democrats are trying to pull some shenanigans but it is surprising the media is going along with it. (OK, it isnt surprising.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They are trying to claim that if Trump benefits from an action, it&#8217;s abuse of power. However, everything a President does can either hurt them or benefit them politically. That is the nature of the job. </p>
<p>Also, the President sets foreign policy and that is inherently political as well.</p>
<p>It isn&#8217;t surprising that Democrats are trying to pull some shenanigans but it is surprising the media is going along with it. (OK, it isnt surprising.)</p>
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		By: Cotour		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cotour]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Nov 2019 18:48:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[These may be privately held companies, and I agree that they can have what ever they want on them but they are as demonstrated by evidence without doubt censoring those who are Right oriented and those who support Trump.

And these are the effects relayed to those who populate these companies and they are without doubt Liberal at the minimum and leftist and Socialist at the maximum and they are also politcally active in supporting their ideology.

And that is where they run off the road and will in time bring governmental regulation down upon themselves because of their inability to remain more or less objective. Because as we know &quot;By any means necessary&quot; is their political warfare mantra, and that becomes their focus over and above our system of governance.

And so they must be reinstructed and reminded about what and where their responsibilities exist.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These may be privately held companies, and I agree that they can have what ever they want on them but they are as demonstrated by evidence without doubt censoring those who are Right oriented and those who support Trump.</p>
<p>And these are the effects relayed to those who populate these companies and they are without doubt Liberal at the minimum and leftist and Socialist at the maximum and they are also politcally active in supporting their ideology.</p>
<p>And that is where they run off the road and will in time bring governmental regulation down upon themselves because of their inability to remain more or less objective. Because as we know &#8220;By any means necessary&#8221; is their political warfare mantra, and that becomes their focus over and above our system of governance.</p>
<p>And so they must be reinstructed and reminded about what and where their responsibilities exist.</p>
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		By: Phill O		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Phill O]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Nov 2019 18:32:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[And another

https://www.oann.com/report-internet-freedom-declines-worldwide/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And another</p>
<p><a href="https://www.oann.com/report-internet-freedom-declines-worldwide/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.oann.com/report-internet-freedom-declines-worldwide/</a></p>
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		By: Phill O		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Phill O]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Nov 2019 18:31:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[https://www.oann.com/twitter-locks-out-oan-reporter-over-alleged-whistleblower-mention/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="https://www.oann.com/twitter-locks-out-oan-reporter-over-alleged-whistleblower-mention/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.oann.com/twitter-locks-out-oan-reporter-over-alleged-whistleblower-mention/</a></p>
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		By: Andrew		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrew]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Nov 2019 17:28:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Censorship:

Ugliest violation of free speech there is.   

BUT, ...

Yeah that word.   Censorship is only an applicable word when it is done on a &quot;public forum&quot;.   

To date the only social media platform even suspected of being a public forum is Donal Trump&#039;s tweeter feed.  That&#039;s it.

Thus, until we can get a binding legal decision somewhere, somehow, that says that Social Media constitutes a &quot;public forum&quot; they are at the liberty to ban, remove, even ALTER, any content posted on THEIR PRIVATELY OWNED SERVERS.

Just like you have to right to ask someone to leave your house for saying disgusting things to you and/or your family.  Social Media companies have the same right!

The word censorship, or censoring simply does not apply here.  Social Media&#039;s privately owned servers do not constitute a public forum, yet.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Censorship:</p>
<p>Ugliest violation of free speech there is.   </p>
<p>BUT, &#8230;</p>
<p>Yeah that word.   Censorship is only an applicable word when it is done on a &#8220;public forum&#8221;.   </p>
<p>To date the only social media platform even suspected of being a public forum is Donal Trump&#8217;s tweeter feed.  That&#8217;s it.</p>
<p>Thus, until we can get a binding legal decision somewhere, somehow, that says that Social Media constitutes a &#8220;public forum&#8221; they are at the liberty to ban, remove, even ALTER, any content posted on THEIR PRIVATELY OWNED SERVERS.</p>
<p>Just like you have to right to ask someone to leave your house for saying disgusting things to you and/or your family.  Social Media companies have the same right!</p>
<p>The word censorship, or censoring simply does not apply here.  Social Media&#8217;s privately owned servers do not constitute a public forum, yet.</p>
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