Comments on: Kurt Vonnegut – the Shapes of Stories https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/the-evening-pause/kurt-vonnegut-the-shapes-of-stories/ Thu, 10 Jun 2021 05:28:32 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: bkivey https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/the-evening-pause/kurt-vonnegut-the-shapes-of-stories/#comment-1136787 Thu, 10 Jun 2021 05:28:32 +0000 https://behindtheblack.com/?p=75997#comment-1136787 @Edward:

You did not ‘kill’ my thesis, sir, but, as noted, pointed out opportunities. A bit dismayed that one might think me so easily dissuaded. {I say, that’s a joke, son.} Commentary on this forum is a resource.

I may not have ‘forgotten’ something, so much as, ‘not have known’, but kindness toward ignorance is appreciated.

]]> By: Edward https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/the-evening-pause/kurt-vonnegut-the-shapes-of-stories/#comment-1136782 Thu, 10 Jun 2021 04:47:32 +0000 https://behindtheblack.com/?p=75997#comment-1136782 bkivey,
I didn’t really mean to kill your thesis, but the second law of thermodynamics is terribly misunderstood, usually because many people don’t understand that it applies to systems but sometimes because people don’t understand that the boundary of the system is larger than they realize. I’ve seen people forget that the Sun is an energy source for the biosphere, and you seem to have forgotten that generating CO2 is one way that life moves entropy outside its body. Our cells are like car engines, using energy for work (e.g. movement, building DNA molecules, setting up Jenga) and exhausting CO2, etc.

]]> By: wayne https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/the-evening-pause/kurt-vonnegut-the-shapes-of-stories/#comment-1136476 Wed, 09 Jun 2021 03:49:49 +0000 https://behindtheblack.com/?p=75997#comment-1136476 Highly recommend–

“Eden Express” by Vonnegut’s son, Mark Vonnegut.
->Graduated from Swarthmore College in 1969, went to British Columbia to start a commune, and promptly fell apart; diagnosed with Schizophrenia in 1971.
Fast forward– graduated from Harvard Medical in 1979 and became a Pediatrician.

“Realizing you are crazy, doesn’t make the crazy stuff stop happening.”

]]> By: wayne https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/the-evening-pause/kurt-vonnegut-the-shapes-of-stories/#comment-1136471 Wed, 09 Jun 2021 03:35:03 +0000 https://behindtheblack.com/?p=75997#comment-1136471 Vonnegut / Akira the Don
“Harrison Bergeron” (2018)
https://youtu.be/hYwfVOQ6CB4
18:00

]]> By: wayne https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/the-evening-pause/kurt-vonnegut-the-shapes-of-stories/#comment-1136289 Tue, 08 Jun 2021 14:39:48 +0000 https://behindtheblack.com/?p=75997#comment-1136289 Blair / Edward:
The second law of thermodynamics may be more conceptually thought of as “entropy almost always increases.” For the exact reason Edward mentions. (complexity outsources entropy to other parts of the system)
In the long-term, we’re all dead, (heat death) but in the short term things are pretty interesting.
This is all heavily bound up in Boltzmann’s “Arrow of Time,” all of physics is time-reversible, but that’s not how things actually work unless you wait a long, long time.
—Leonard Susskind did 3 Messenger Lectures on this whole topic, and more recently Sean Carroll has gone deep into this in a very understandable manner.
Ref: evolution and descended/evolved–that is sorta where things went off the rails with the ‘missing link,’ thing’, that doesn’t really exist. Better to look at it (in my social-sciences opinion) as “we have common ancestors.”

Have “Slaughterhouse 5” cued up in the DVD for tonight’s movie.

]]> By: bkivey https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/the-evening-pause/kurt-vonnegut-the-shapes-of-stories/#comment-1136169 Tue, 08 Jun 2021 05:18:33 +0000 https://behindtheblack.com/?p=75997#comment-1136169 Edward noted: “The second law applies to systems, and life works because it moves the entropy to other parts of the system.”

Thanks for the insight, and shows me where I need to refine my thesis.

]]> By: Edward https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/the-evening-pause/kurt-vonnegut-the-shapes-of-stories/#comment-1135945 Mon, 07 Jun 2021 05:39:14 +0000 https://behindtheblack.com/?p=75997#comment-1135945 bkivey wrote: “I’ve mentioned that life is the antithesis of the Second Law of Thermodynamics”

The second law applies to systems, and life works because it moves the entropy to other parts of the system. This is why Vonnegut’s story lines can move upward, in the Good Fortune direction. Otherwise everything would just be slow decay into Ill Fortune.

]]> By: bkivey https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/the-evening-pause/kurt-vonnegut-the-shapes-of-stories/#comment-1135937 Mon, 07 Jun 2021 04:56:44 +0000 https://behindtheblack.com/?p=75997#comment-1135937 ” . . .…we all descend from slime.”

Perhaps not ‘descend from’, but ‘evolve from’. I think a common fallacy in the early days of the anti-evolution argument was the idea that humans descended from apes. Well, to a point, complexity evolves, and I don’t think biology is done yet. Our pre-frontal lobes are a relatively recent addition, and still room for improvement.

I’ve mentioned that life is the antithesis of the Second Law of Thermodynamics (Fred Saberhagan wrote novels about this), and that means that, ultimately, the Progressives agree with the physicists: cold and dark. Science is real, yo.

However, I see no need to hasten the process. Indeed, a lot of enjoyment to be had in the process of defying the Universe.

]]> By: Jeff Wright https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/the-evening-pause/kurt-vonnegut-the-shapes-of-stories/#comment-1135513 Fri, 04 Jun 2021 08:31:42 +0000 https://behindtheblack.com/?p=75997#comment-1135513 It has been a downhill slide since the Fall.

Fallen or un-evolved…it is all the same.

Ellery Queen might say that..whether it was the muck that formed Adam’s bones, or the primordial ooze of 4-point-something billion years ago…one way or another…we all descend from slime.

Cue the sax…fade to black…

]]> By: bkivey https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/the-evening-pause/kurt-vonnegut-the-shapes-of-stories/#comment-1135479 Fri, 04 Jun 2021 04:27:09 +0000 https://behindtheblack.com/?p=75997#comment-1135479 Don’t forget Man v God. Argument can be made that the conflict fits into the previous categories, but, not really.

There is more to reality than meets the eye; or something like that.

]]> By: wayne https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/the-evening-pause/kurt-vonnegut-the-shapes-of-stories/#comment-1135476 Fri, 04 Jun 2021 04:13:14 +0000 https://behindtheblack.com/?p=75997#comment-1135476 “How the Best Stories are Written”
Prof. Jordan Peterson
[excerpted from “2017 Personality Lecture 06: Jean Piaget & Constructivism”]
https://youtu.be/oPpW1fS7FPg
3:01

]]> By: Jeff Wright https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/the-evening-pause/kurt-vonnegut-the-shapes-of-stories/#comment-1135470 Fri, 04 Jun 2021 03:48:03 +0000 https://behindtheblack.com/?p=75997#comment-1135470 The 36 Dramatic Situations is a must-read along with TV Tropes for increasingly granular division. John Carpenter went the other way…saying that there are only external or internal threats… what he called right-wing horror vs. left-wing horror…..although “The Thing” was both.

To me, everything is horror-pratfalls can cripple…the old can haunt; the new dispossess.

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