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		By: Joe		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Aug 2016 05:24:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As someone who rides both bicycles and motorcycles, there is a speed at which you go from steering to counter steering, when at low speeds you will intuitivly steer in the direction you want to go, all of a sudden you will find that you will lean and intuitivly push on the handle bars opposite the direction that you want to go, you don&#039;t even think of it, it&#039;s just there, I would not be able to ride this contraption, regarding jumping out of perfectly good aircraft, as a pilot, I will go down with my ship!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As someone who rides both bicycles and motorcycles, there is a speed at which you go from steering to counter steering, when at low speeds you will intuitivly steer in the direction you want to go, all of a sudden you will find that you will lean and intuitivly push on the handle bars opposite the direction that you want to go, you don&#8217;t even think of it, it&#8217;s just there, I would not be able to ride this contraption, regarding jumping out of perfectly good aircraft, as a pilot, I will go down with my ship!</p>
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		By: Garry		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Garry]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Aug 2016 03:09:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wayne, I&#039;m 25 years removed from my last jump.  One of those things I&#039;m glad I did when I was young, but would never do again except under the circumstances you mentioned.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wayne, I&#8217;m 25 years removed from my last jump.  One of those things I&#8217;m glad I did when I was young, but would never do again except under the circumstances you mentioned.</p>
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		By: wayne		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[wayne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Aug 2016 02:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[ken-- good point.
The Counterintuitive Physics of Turning a Bike
https://youtu.be/llRkf1fnNDM
(a definite acquired fine motor skill)
-anecdotally--  when learning to ride a bike, I distinctly recall being able to remain moving &#038; balance in a straight line, long before I could turn anywhere near gracefully.

Garry--
thanks for the info..
Yow-Za! (gotta hand it to ya!)
-- The only way I&#039;m jumping out of an airplane, is if it&#039;s going to crash and even then you&#039;ll have to push me out-the-hatch. I&#039;ll be screaming, so just pull the cord &#038; push me out. (When I was young &#038; foolish I was infinitely more fearless, but now I like to remain safely and firmly planted on the surface.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ken&#8211; good point.<br />
The Counterintuitive Physics of Turning a Bike<br />
<a href="https://youtu.be/llRkf1fnNDM" rel="nofollow ugc">https://youtu.be/llRkf1fnNDM</a><br />
(a definite acquired fine motor skill)<br />
-anecdotally&#8211;  when learning to ride a bike, I distinctly recall being able to remain moving &amp; balance in a straight line, long before I could turn anywhere near gracefully.</p>
<p>Garry&#8211;<br />
thanks for the info..<br />
Yow-Za! (gotta hand it to ya!)<br />
&#8212; The only way I&#8217;m jumping out of an airplane, is if it&#8217;s going to crash and even then you&#8217;ll have to push me out-the-hatch. I&#8217;ll be screaming, so just pull the cord &amp; push me out. (When I was young &amp; foolish I was infinitely more fearless, but now I like to remain safely and firmly planted on the surface.)</p>
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		By: ken anthony		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Aug 2016 02:16:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I absolutely loved this video but there&#039;s one point not addressed... counter steering. Most people don&#039;t realize to go left on a bike you turn right. To go right you turn left (except at very low speeds.)

For the backwards bike correct steering would be what they incorrectly believe for a normal bike.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I absolutely loved this video but there&#8217;s one point not addressed&#8230; counter steering. Most people don&#8217;t realize to go left on a bike you turn right. To go right you turn left (except at very low speeds.)</p>
<p>For the backwards bike correct steering would be what they incorrectly believe for a normal bike.</p>
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		By: Garry		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Garry]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Aug 2016 21:01:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wayne,

I only felt a falling sensation the first 5 seconds or so; the acceleration after that is fairly small, and there&#039;s so much more stimulus that I didn&#039;t notice any sensation of falling after 5 seconds.  And the wind (at least 110 mph at terminal velocity) was VERY noisy.  I always laugh when in the movies they show people talking in free fall; there&#039;s no way to hear anyone.  Once the canopy was opened, it was amazing how well sound from the ground carried up to me; sometimes I could hear people on the ground conversing, from about 2,000 feet.

Even when I was doing 4 jumps every Saturday and 4 on Sunday, when I wasn&#039;t actually jumping I couldn&#039;t comprehend what it was like. Even after more than 50 jumps, once I jumped out of the plane it was like experiencing deja vu; it was an environment I knew I had experienced before and I immediately felt fully oriented to the experience, but I knew that I had not really comprehended it since the last jump.  

Every once in a while, at random times, I would really freak out when I thought about what skydiving actually involved.

By the way, I&#039;ve never liked roller coasters and other rides; I don&#039;t like the sensation of falling or spinning, but I&#039;ve always liked heights, and was really hooked on skydiving at that time in my life.  And I&#039;ve never been on a motorcycle; they scare me.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wayne,</p>
<p>I only felt a falling sensation the first 5 seconds or so; the acceleration after that is fairly small, and there&#8217;s so much more stimulus that I didn&#8217;t notice any sensation of falling after 5 seconds.  And the wind (at least 110 mph at terminal velocity) was VERY noisy.  I always laugh when in the movies they show people talking in free fall; there&#8217;s no way to hear anyone.  Once the canopy was opened, it was amazing how well sound from the ground carried up to me; sometimes I could hear people on the ground conversing, from about 2,000 feet.</p>
<p>Even when I was doing 4 jumps every Saturday and 4 on Sunday, when I wasn&#8217;t actually jumping I couldn&#8217;t comprehend what it was like. Even after more than 50 jumps, once I jumped out of the plane it was like experiencing deja vu; it was an environment I knew I had experienced before and I immediately felt fully oriented to the experience, but I knew that I had not really comprehended it since the last jump.  </p>
<p>Every once in a while, at random times, I would really freak out when I thought about what skydiving actually involved.</p>
<p>By the way, I&#8217;ve never liked roller coasters and other rides; I don&#8217;t like the sensation of falling or spinning, but I&#8217;ve always liked heights, and was really hooked on skydiving at that time in my life.  And I&#8217;ve never been on a motorcycle; they scare me.</p>
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		By: wayne		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[wayne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Aug 2016 19:44:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Garry-- 
Fascinating stuff!
total tangent-- do you get a feeling of falling, whilst in free-fall?  What&#039;s the noise-level you experience? 

The whole &quot;learning-process&quot; is a fascinating subject.

The backward bike example covers a huge amount of ground, as does Garry&#039;s skydiving example.
Huge amounts of Gross &#038; Fine motor skills are autonomic &#038; run in the background, and have been finely adapted to our individual experiences, time, space, and our gravity.
Concurrently, we can also describe &#038; understand &quot;counter-intuitive&quot; stuff, and become quite skilled with practice.

Robert Pratt-- you touch upon another profound piece of analysis. (I would quibble with how much one has to understand to be knowledgeable but that&#039;s another subject entirely.)
-- If I&#039;m getting your point correctly-- I totally agree-- analytically &quot;knowing&quot; how something works is not sufficient to actually preform the task, that also requires doing the task, repetitively to a point where you don&#039;t necessarily have to consciously attend to the task itself.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Garry&#8211;<br />
Fascinating stuff!<br />
total tangent&#8211; do you get a feeling of falling, whilst in free-fall?  What&#8217;s the noise-level you experience? </p>
<p>The whole &#8220;learning-process&#8221; is a fascinating subject.</p>
<p>The backward bike example covers a huge amount of ground, as does Garry&#8217;s skydiving example.<br />
Huge amounts of Gross &amp; Fine motor skills are autonomic &amp; run in the background, and have been finely adapted to our individual experiences, time, space, and our gravity.<br />
Concurrently, we can also describe &amp; understand &#8220;counter-intuitive&#8221; stuff, and become quite skilled with practice.</p>
<p>Robert Pratt&#8211; you touch upon another profound piece of analysis. (I would quibble with how much one has to understand to be knowledgeable but that&#8217;s another subject entirely.)<br />
&#8212; If I&#8217;m getting your point correctly&#8211; I totally agree&#8211; analytically &#8220;knowing&#8221; how something works is not sufficient to actually preform the task, that also requires doing the task, repetitively to a point where you don&#8217;t necessarily have to consciously attend to the task itself.</p>
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		By: Garry		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Garry]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Aug 2016 19:08:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This reminds me of what I experienced when I got into skydiving decades ago.  I was determined to learn how to make formations with other skydivers in freefall.  Everyone advised me that as I approach, the one thing I didn&#039;t want to do was reach out with my hands, as that will make me go backward, away from my intended target. 

I recognized that this was counterintuitive, but like everyone else, I laughed and assured myself that I knew what to do.  Also like everyone else, in my first few attempts, I straightened my knees and held my arms back as I approached my target, but at the last minute I reached out with my arms, and suddenly found myself 20 feet back from my intended target.  

Eventually I was able to maneuver more or less smoothly, but it took a lot of concentration.  I had maybe 30+ jumps doing relative work with other skydivers, and it was like a toddler learning to walk; I got beyond the crawling stage, but never far beyond the stage of taking a few steps and falling down.

The way humans learn complex physical skills is fascinating.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This reminds me of what I experienced when I got into skydiving decades ago.  I was determined to learn how to make formations with other skydivers in freefall.  Everyone advised me that as I approach, the one thing I didn&#8217;t want to do was reach out with my hands, as that will make me go backward, away from my intended target. </p>
<p>I recognized that this was counterintuitive, but like everyone else, I laughed and assured myself that I knew what to do.  Also like everyone else, in my first few attempts, I straightened my knees and held my arms back as I approached my target, but at the last minute I reached out with my arms, and suddenly found myself 20 feet back from my intended target.  </p>
<p>Eventually I was able to maneuver more or less smoothly, but it took a lot of concentration.  I had maybe 30+ jumps doing relative work with other skydivers, and it was like a toddler learning to walk; I got beyond the crawling stage, but never far beyond the stage of taking a few steps and falling down.</p>
<p>The way humans learn complex physical skills is fascinating.</p>
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		By: wayne		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[wayne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Aug 2016 18:05:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yes, these are very cool video&#039;s.
--I believe there is a companion video on the &quot;physics of bikes,&quot; which is very enlightening as well, &#038; further illustrates how complex of a task it actually is, no matter how it&#039;s configured.

There is a large body of behavioral research on the acquisition of &quot;basic&quot; learning tasks (but it&#039;s often in a discrete form) and varies highly depending on what task you are learning, what age you are, and how much it involves manipulation of mass through space. (which comprises most human &quot;activities.&quot;)
(as we&#039;ve seen recently with the creepy robots that can chase you through the forest, Programming has gotten a good handle on locomotion &#038; stability.

This is a fascinating topic &#038; branches off into dozens of different area&#039;s, but as Mr. Z noted-- &quot;...profound in it what reveals about the human learning process.&quot;

Just one area of interest I&#039;d recommend--
Proprioception
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proprioception

Essentially-- that which comprises one&#039;s sensing capability as to the internal position of your body parts &#038; movement in space.

slight tangent-- Cat&#039;s are well known for their inherent &quot;righting reflex,&quot; humans have a similar reflex which primarily involves righting the eye&#039;s to lock onto or reacquire horizontal cue&#039;s as to where you are in relation to the world. Inner ear &#038; eyes react first, followed by body movements to re-orient yourself.
(But I digress... please continue...)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, these are very cool video&#8217;s.<br />
&#8211;I believe there is a companion video on the &#8220;physics of bikes,&#8221; which is very enlightening as well, &amp; further illustrates how complex of a task it actually is, no matter how it&#8217;s configured.</p>
<p>There is a large body of behavioral research on the acquisition of &#8220;basic&#8221; learning tasks (but it&#8217;s often in a discrete form) and varies highly depending on what task you are learning, what age you are, and how much it involves manipulation of mass through space. (which comprises most human &#8220;activities.&#8221;)<br />
(as we&#8217;ve seen recently with the creepy robots that can chase you through the forest, Programming has gotten a good handle on locomotion &amp; stability.</p>
<p>This is a fascinating topic &amp; branches off into dozens of different area&#8217;s, but as Mr. Z noted&#8211; &#8220;&#8230;profound in it what reveals about the human learning process.&#8221;</p>
<p>Just one area of interest I&#8217;d recommend&#8211;<br />
Proprioception<br />
<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proprioception" rel="nofollow ugc">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proprioception</a></p>
<p>Essentially&#8211; that which comprises one&#8217;s sensing capability as to the internal position of your body parts &amp; movement in space.</p>
<p>slight tangent&#8211; Cat&#8217;s are well known for their inherent &#8220;righting reflex,&#8221; humans have a similar reflex which primarily involves righting the eye&#8217;s to lock onto or reacquire horizontal cue&#8217;s as to where you are in relation to the world. Inner ear &amp; eyes react first, followed by body movements to re-orient yourself.<br />
(But I digress&#8230; please continue&#8230;)</p>
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		By: DougSpace		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Aug 2016 15:57:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Perhaps the key is to look at the front wheel and then follow it with your handle bars.]]></description>
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		By: PeterF		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Aug 2016 15:15:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The problem is obvious!
His seat height is set too low!

Ever tried to write backwards using a mirror?

But seriously, if you were to replace the handlebars with a steering wheel, you could train by steering with the bottom part rather than with the top part. Sort of like learning to steer with a spinner knob (illegal on road vehicles in most states) mounted at the bottom of the wheel on a forklift.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is obvious!<br />
His seat height is set too low!</p>
<p>Ever tried to write backwards using a mirror?</p>
<p>But seriously, if you were to replace the handlebars with a steering wheel, you could train by steering with the bottom part rather than with the top part. Sort of like learning to steer with a spinner knob (illegal on road vehicles in most states) mounted at the bottom of the wheel on a forklift.</p>
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		By: Robert Pratt		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert Pratt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Aug 2016 06:33:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Knowledge is not understanding. Correct and, I can explain things all day but I can&#039;t make someone understand.]]></description>
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		By: Blair Ivey		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Aug 2016 05:25:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Nominate for &#039;Best Performance in an Evening Pause&#039;.]]></description>
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		By: Laurie		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Laurie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Aug 2016 05:23:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You must be born again ;)]]></description>
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