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		By: Lee S		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lee S]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2020 09:14:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Good stuff Edward! ( I somehow missed this thread...)... Astronauts turning to jelly is a bad thing however you look at it! ( And also something I had never concidered!)
     Since joining the tight knit community that is the Behind the black readership, I have learned that NASA really is a jobs program... In some ways this is not a bad thing... You keep the talent within the US, and within government, but it is heartbreaking even for this European when you consider what could be achieved with its budget for manned spaceflight with better management oversight.
     On the bright side, I have no doubt that Trump will win another term, and although the de-funding of current missions is concerning, he seems to have a focus on specific goals, and the will to achieve them that has been missing from your last few presidents. Hopefully his next 4 years will allow him to follow thru on said goals.
    ( Speaking of goals, there will be non in the UK this weekend.... All football... Sorry! Soccer, has been cancelled.... a sure sign poop just got real!)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good stuff Edward! ( I somehow missed this thread&#8230;)&#8230; Astronauts turning to jelly is a bad thing however you look at it! ( And also something I had never concidered!)<br />
     Since joining the tight knit community that is the Behind the black readership, I have learned that NASA really is a jobs program&#8230; In some ways this is not a bad thing&#8230; You keep the talent within the US, and within government, but it is heartbreaking even for this European when you consider what could be achieved with its budget for manned spaceflight with better management oversight.<br />
     On the bright side, I have no doubt that Trump will win another term, and although the de-funding of current missions is concerning, he seems to have a focus on specific goals, and the will to achieve them that has been missing from your last few presidents. Hopefully his next 4 years will allow him to follow thru on said goals.<br />
    ( Speaking of goals, there will be non in the UK this weekend&#8230;. All football&#8230; Sorry! Soccer, has been cancelled&#8230;. a sure sign poop just got real!)</p>
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		By: Edward		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Edward]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2020 22:30:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[sippin_bourbon asked: &quot;&lt;i&gt;Does anyone have a good link to point me too ( not wikipedia) as to why Constellation was a bad program?&lt;/i&gt;&quot; 

Some people think that Obama cancelled Constellation and the Moon mission because it was &quot;not invented here.&quot;  He did not want to be the president who fulfilled a major mission for Bush.  

https://www.newser.com/story/86164/obama-says-of-the-moon-been-there-done-that.html 
&lt;blockquote&gt;But the moon is old news, and it&#039;s time to think bigger. &quot;We&#039;ve been there before,&quot; [Obama] said at Kennedy Space Center, unswayed by critics who say his vision will bring an end to manned spaceflights.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

However, there were some technical issues that needed to be dealt with.  These came because they added an additional segment to the SRB stack from the Space Shuttle.  

https://blogs.nasa.gov/Ares_I-X/tag/vibration/ 
&lt;blockquote&gt;Before 70 seconds and after 90 seconds the vibration levels are fine, but for those 20 seconds we haven’t fully verified that we can still steer the rocket with the TVC or send the signal to self-destruct the rocket and end the flight with the FTS if it veers away from its projected path.&lt;/blockquote&gt;  

To help explain: 

&lt;blockquote&gt;The vibration that is produced by the burning of the solid rocket propellant in the first stage booster is called thrust oscillation. These vibrations — or oscillations — come in the form of waves, which travel up and down the length of the rocket like a musical note through an organ pipe. One of the biggest challenges in any rocket design is developing avionics (aviation electronics) that can function in this vibrating environment.&lt;/blockquote&gt; 

As an additional note: another challenge is to prevent too much vibration from being in the range of the natural frequency of a human being, roughly 8Hz to 80Hz.  Internal organs tend to have a frequency of around 20 to 25Hz, so they might pound against each other until they become jelly, if the vibrations are too much at this frequency.  The head has another frequency, the spine another, etc.  It is all part of rocket science.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sippin_bourbon asked: &#8220;<i>Does anyone have a good link to point me too ( not wikipedia) as to why Constellation was a bad program?</i>&#8221; </p>
<p>Some people think that Obama cancelled Constellation and the Moon mission because it was &#8220;not invented here.&#8221;  He did not want to be the president who fulfilled a major mission for Bush.  </p>
<p><a href="https://www.newser.com/story/86164/obama-says-of-the-moon-been-there-done-that.html" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.newser.com/story/86164/obama-says-of-the-moon-been-there-done-that.html</a> </p>
<blockquote><p>But the moon is old news, and it&#8217;s time to think bigger. &#8220;We&#8217;ve been there before,&#8221; [Obama] said at Kennedy Space Center, unswayed by critics who say his vision will bring an end to manned spaceflights.</p></blockquote>
<p>However, there were some technical issues that needed to be dealt with.  These came because they added an additional segment to the SRB stack from the Space Shuttle.  </p>
<p><a href="https://blogs.nasa.gov/Ares_I-X/tag/vibration/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://blogs.nasa.gov/Ares_I-X/tag/vibration/</a> </p>
<blockquote><p>Before 70 seconds and after 90 seconds the vibration levels are fine, but for those 20 seconds we haven’t fully verified that we can still steer the rocket with the TVC or send the signal to self-destruct the rocket and end the flight with the FTS if it veers away from its projected path.</p></blockquote>
<p>To help explain: </p>
<blockquote><p>The vibration that is produced by the burning of the solid rocket propellant in the first stage booster is called thrust oscillation. These vibrations — or oscillations — come in the form of waves, which travel up and down the length of the rocket like a musical note through an organ pipe. One of the biggest challenges in any rocket design is developing avionics (aviation electronics) that can function in this vibrating environment.</p></blockquote>
<p>As an additional note: another challenge is to prevent too much vibration from being in the range of the natural frequency of a human being, roughly 8Hz to 80Hz.  Internal organs tend to have a frequency of around 20 to 25Hz, so they might pound against each other until they become jelly, if the vibrations are too much at this frequency.  The head has another frequency, the spine another, etc.  It is all part of rocket science.</p>
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		By: wayne		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2020 08:33:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[George Harrison - 
&quot;Got My Mind Set On You&quot;
2004
https://youtu.be/_71w4UA2Oxo
3:51

&quot;But, it&#039;s gonna take money.
A whole lot of spending money.
It&#039;s gonna take plenty of money,
To do it right, child.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>George Harrison &#8211;<br />
&#8220;Got My Mind Set On You&#8221;<br />
2004<br />
<a href="https://youtu.be/_71w4UA2Oxo" rel="nofollow ugc">https://youtu.be/_71w4UA2Oxo</a><br />
3:51</p>
<p>&#8220;But, it&#8217;s gonna take money.<br />
A whole lot of spending money.<br />
It&#8217;s gonna take plenty of money,<br />
To do it right, child.&#8221;</p>
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		By: sippin_bourbon		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sippin_bourbon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2020 03:44:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[So my question above was only partly rhetorical. Does anyone have a good link to point me too ( not wikipedia) as to why Constellation was a bad program?

Additional question. Are they planning to make new RS-25 engines? As in understand, there are 4 per SLS. They will run out of them. I count 9 in existence . This is a limiting factor.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So my question above was only partly rhetorical. Does anyone have a good link to point me too ( not wikipedia) as to why Constellation was a bad program?</p>
<p>Additional question. Are they planning to make new RS-25 engines? As in understand, there are 4 per SLS. They will run out of them. I count 9 in existence . This is a limiting factor.</p>
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		By: Foxbat		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Foxbat]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2020 01:39:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[My experience working for the Feds leads me to this prediction.

A report like this will result in volumes more of procurement regulations to be administered by bus loads of new bureaucrats (non of which engineers ) which will move decisions farther away from the knowledgeable technical people. It will result in only using current vendors because it becomes more difficult to qualify new suppliers. And it will take much more time for a project which will escalate the costs and sap the will of those trying to achieve. Atlas Shrugged has never seemed more accurate.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My experience working for the Feds leads me to this prediction.</p>
<p>A report like this will result in volumes more of procurement regulations to be administered by bus loads of new bureaucrats (non of which engineers ) which will move decisions farther away from the knowledgeable technical people. It will result in only using current vendors because it becomes more difficult to qualify new suppliers. And it will take much more time for a project which will escalate the costs and sap the will of those trying to achieve. Atlas Shrugged has never seemed more accurate.</p>
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		By: mivenho		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mivenho]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2020 23:21:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oops!  correction to my previous post:

A stack of 18 billion one-dollar bills is about 1200 miles high.  From that perspective, SLS has finally reached orbit.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops!  correction to my previous post:</p>
<p>A stack of 18 billion one-dollar bills is about 1200 miles high.  From that perspective, SLS has finally reached orbit.</p>
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		By: sippin_bourbon		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sippin_bourbon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2020 22:56:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[But Constellation was going to be too expensive?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But Constellation was going to be too expensive?</p>
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		By: mivenho		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mivenho]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2020 20:26:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A stack of one dollar bills is about 1200 miles.  From that perspective, SLS has already reached orbit.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A stack of one dollar bills is about 1200 miles.  From that perspective, SLS has already reached orbit.</p>
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		By: Call Me Ishmael		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Call Me Ishmael]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2020 20:23:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;What Congress critters do is not math&quot;

I dunno.  &quot;How many votes will this buy me?&quot; has non-mathematical components, to be sure, but there is still some arithmetic involved.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What Congress critters do is not math&#8221;</p>
<p>I dunno.  &#8220;How many votes will this buy me?&#8221; has non-mathematical components, to be sure, but there is still some arithmetic involved.</p>
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		By: Robert Zimmerman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert Zimmerman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2020 19:25:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/essays-and-commentaries/new-inspector-general-report-slams-nasas-sls-management/#comment-1077330&quot;&gt;Call Me Ishmael&lt;/a&gt;.

Call Me Ishmael: What Congress critters do is not math, no matter what their calculations.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/essays-and-commentaries/new-inspector-general-report-slams-nasas-sls-management/#comment-1077330">Call Me Ishmael</a>.</p>
<p>Call Me Ishmael: What Congress critters do is not math, no matter what their calculations.</p>
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		By: Call Me Ishmael		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Call Me Ishmael]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2020 18:55:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;They can’t do math very well…&quot;

Actually they can do math just fine; they&#039;re just not calculating the same things as we are.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;They can’t do math very well…&#8221;</p>
<p>Actually they can do math just fine; they&#8217;re just not calculating the same things as we are.</p>
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