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		By: Cotour		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[You all must watch at least the first half of this Joe Rogan interview where his guest, James Lindsey, created a fake paper on &quot;Dog rape culture in dog parks&quot;, entirely made up and ridiculous, and submits it to a prominent Feminist organization, AND IT WINS A PRESITIOUS AWARD!

https://youtu.be/lduU81aHGF0

This is the state of our education system today. Fraudulent, &quot;Political correctness&quot;, &quot;Equality&quot;, &quot;Equality of outcome&quot;, protected classes of humans, &quot;Critical race theory&quot;, &quot;Global warming&quot;, &quot;Climate change&quot;, the intellectualization of all of what should be objective science reality. In other words, self fulfilling mental masterbation.

This is what has been perpetrated on the public and the world by those faux intellectuals who know better how everyone should live. Liberals and Leftists all. Very, very dangerous, this is intellectual Fascism.

Andrew W, sound familiar?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You all must watch at least the first half of this Joe Rogan interview where his guest, James Lindsey, created a fake paper on &#8220;Dog rape culture in dog parks&#8221;, entirely made up and ridiculous, and submits it to a prominent Feminist organization, AND IT WINS A PRESITIOUS AWARD!</p>
<p><a href="https://youtu.be/lduU81aHGF0" rel="nofollow ugc">https://youtu.be/lduU81aHGF0</a></p>
<p>This is the state of our education system today. Fraudulent, &#8220;Political correctness&#8221;, &#8220;Equality&#8221;, &#8220;Equality of outcome&#8221;, protected classes of humans, &#8220;Critical race theory&#8221;, &#8220;Global warming&#8221;, &#8220;Climate change&#8221;, the intellectualization of all of what should be objective science reality. In other words, self fulfilling mental masterbation.</p>
<p>This is what has been perpetrated on the public and the world by those faux intellectuals who know better how everyone should live. Liberals and Leftists all. Very, very dangerous, this is intellectual Fascism.</p>
<p>Andrew W, sound familiar?</p>
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		By: Md hasan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2012 13:07:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[it is a very nice blog.
&lt;a href=&quot;http://modernscience71.blogspot.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;science&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it is a very nice blog.<br />
<a href="http://modernscience71.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">science</a></p>
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		By: Pzatchok		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pzatchok]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2012 08:24:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Glad you found your own proof. Sorry, data.



More periodicals to publish papers in means they are all looking for more articles to publish.
Thus they are accepting far more junk just to fill up space and not doing their own due diligence to check for simple errors in the papers. 


Plus I bet some publications have been started with the unscientific purpose of printing papers and articles just to push a political opinion. All so that Prof Crackpot and his friends can say they were published and thus so they can then reference those articles in their own papers and thus look far more professional and believable.

Almost every global warming paper printed in the last 15 years still references the same three, since disproved, articles. That hockey stick is still floating around.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad you found your own proof. Sorry, data.</p>
<p>More periodicals to publish papers in means they are all looking for more articles to publish.<br />
Thus they are accepting far more junk just to fill up space and not doing their own due diligence to check for simple errors in the papers. </p>
<p>Plus I bet some publications have been started with the unscientific purpose of printing papers and articles just to push a political opinion. All so that Prof Crackpot and his friends can say they were published and thus so they can then reference those articles in their own papers and thus look far more professional and believable.</p>
<p>Almost every global warming paper printed in the last 15 years still references the same three, since disproved, articles. That hockey stick is still floating around.</p>
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		By: Patrick Ritchie		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Patrick Ritchie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2012 13:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/essays-and-commentaries/the-sad-state-of-modern-science/#comment-71320&quot;&gt;Pzatchok&lt;/a&gt;.

No, and I was not asking for proof. I am asking what data Bob used to form his opinion.

30 minutes with Google provided the following articles:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nature.com/news/2011/111005/full/478026a.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Science publishing: The trouble with retractions&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/blog/2012/nov/02/scientific-fraud-good-science&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Scientific fraud is rife: it&#039;s time to stand up for good science&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://retractionwatch.wordpress.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Retraction Watch&lt;/a&gt;

Based on these it is safe to say that the number of retractions of scientific papers is rising faster than the rate of publication. The data on the reason for retraction is murkier, but it would appear the proportion of papers retracted due to misconduct is also on the rise.

This leads  more questions: Is the rise of retractions an indication of more fraud? Or better fraud detection mechanisms?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/essays-and-commentaries/the-sad-state-of-modern-science/#comment-71320">Pzatchok</a>.</p>
<p>No, and I was not asking for proof. I am asking what data Bob used to form his opinion.</p>
<p>30 minutes with Google provided the following articles:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nature.com/news/2011/111005/full/478026a.html" rel="nofollow">Science publishing: The trouble with retractions</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/blog/2012/nov/02/scientific-fraud-good-science" rel="nofollow">Scientific fraud is rife: it&#8217;s time to stand up for good science</a></p>
<p><a href="http://retractionwatch.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow">Retraction Watch</a></p>
<p>Based on these it is safe to say that the number of retractions of scientific papers is rising faster than the rate of publication. The data on the reason for retraction is murkier, but it would appear the proportion of papers retracted due to misconduct is also on the rise.</p>
<p>This leads  more questions: Is the rise of retractions an indication of more fraud? Or better fraud detection mechanisms?</p>
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		By: Pzatchok		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pzatchok]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2012 06:03:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/essays-and-commentaries/the-sad-state-of-modern-science/#comment-71292&quot;&gt;Patrick Ritchie&lt;/a&gt;.

Isn&#039;t that like asking to prove a negative.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/essays-and-commentaries/the-sad-state-of-modern-science/#comment-71292">Patrick Ritchie</a>.</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t that like asking to prove a negative.</p>
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		By: wodun		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[wodun]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2012 01:23:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/essays-and-commentaries/the-sad-state-of-modern-science/#comment-71268&quot;&gt;Mark Bach&lt;/a&gt;.

His email is at the bottom of the about section.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/essays-and-commentaries/the-sad-state-of-modern-science/#comment-71268">Mark Bach</a>.</p>
<p>His email is at the bottom of the about section.</p>
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		By: Patrick Ritchie		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Patrick Ritchie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2012 22:57:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/essays-and-commentaries/the-sad-state-of-modern-science/#comment-71284&quot;&gt;Robert Zimmerman&lt;/a&gt;.

Do you have data to back up these claims?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/essays-and-commentaries/the-sad-state-of-modern-science/#comment-71284">Robert Zimmerman</a>.</p>
<p>Do you have data to back up these claims?</p>
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		By: Robert Zimmerman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert Zimmerman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2012 21:16:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/essays-and-commentaries/the-sad-state-of-modern-science/#comment-71276&quot;&gt;Patrick Ritchie&lt;/a&gt;.

There &lt;em&gt;has&lt;/em&gt; been a decline in the state of science since the mid-twentieth century. The kind of fraud that allowed Diederik Stapel to publish numerous papers unchecked could not have happened fifty years ago. There was fraud, but nothing so extensive and long lasting.

Moreover, the level of ignorance of the press as well as the willingness of scientists and reporters to let their agendas run hog wild, regardless of the facts, has gotten way out of control, and is far worse than it was forty years ago. More importantly, too many people in these fields don&#039;t seem to care anymore if fraud is exposed. Witness the willingness of the climate science field to close their eyes to the corruption exposed by the climategate emails.

Similarly, plagerism and made-up news stories were once extremely rare events in journalism. When they happened, they were big news, and resulted in the immediate end to the career of the journalist who did it. Today however, the entire field shrugs its shoulders and the guilty parties continue their careers as if nothing happened. And it happens now frequently, much more than in the past.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/essays-and-commentaries/the-sad-state-of-modern-science/#comment-71276">Patrick Ritchie</a>.</p>
<p>There <em>has</em> been a decline in the state of science since the mid-twentieth century. The kind of fraud that allowed Diederik Stapel to publish numerous papers unchecked could not have happened fifty years ago. There was fraud, but nothing so extensive and long lasting.</p>
<p>Moreover, the level of ignorance of the press as well as the willingness of scientists and reporters to let their agendas run hog wild, regardless of the facts, has gotten way out of control, and is far worse than it was forty years ago. More importantly, too many people in these fields don&#8217;t seem to care anymore if fraud is exposed. Witness the willingness of the climate science field to close their eyes to the corruption exposed by the climategate emails.</p>
<p>Similarly, plagerism and made-up news stories were once extremely rare events in journalism. When they happened, they were big news, and resulted in the immediate end to the career of the journalist who did it. Today however, the entire field shrugs its shoulders and the guilty parties continue their careers as if nothing happened. And it happens now frequently, much more than in the past.</p>
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		By: Patrick Ritchie		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Patrick Ritchie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2012 19:56:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Two comments.

I saw the rat tumor article used in local consumer protection magazine here in Quebec, it was taken as &quot;proof&quot; that GM crops are a danger to us all. A simple Google search on the papers title immediately uncovered the issues with the paper. The web version of the article has now contains an update at the &lt;em&gt;bottom&lt;/em&gt; of the page pointing to a couple articles that point out the issues with the study.

But, the title of your post states: &#039;The sad state of &lt;em&gt;modern&lt;/em&gt; science&#039;. Is you point that the state of things today is somehow worse than in the past? Or merely that it could be improved upon?

Although this is indeed a sad state of affairs, I don&#039;t expect it is worse than pre-modern times. In fact, I would expect the state to be improving, partly through public awareness made possible by venues such as this blog.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two comments.</p>
<p>I saw the rat tumor article used in local consumer protection magazine here in Quebec, it was taken as &#8220;proof&#8221; that GM crops are a danger to us all. A simple Google search on the papers title immediately uncovered the issues with the paper. The web version of the article has now contains an update at the <em>bottom</em> of the page pointing to a couple articles that point out the issues with the study.</p>
<p>But, the title of your post states: &#8216;The sad state of <em>modern</em> science&#8217;. Is you point that the state of things today is somehow worse than in the past? Or merely that it could be improved upon?</p>
<p>Although this is indeed a sad state of affairs, I don&#8217;t expect it is worse than pre-modern times. In fact, I would expect the state to be improving, partly through public awareness made possible by venues such as this blog.</p>
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		By: Mark Bach		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark Bach]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2012 17:08:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I am a history teacher trying to reach Robert Zimmerman who is featured on this site.   An 8th grade student is doing her National History Day project on Apollo 8 and would love to contact Mr. Zimmerman and ask some questions via email.   Let me know if any contact information is available.  Thank You.

Mark Bach
International Community School
Kirkland  WA]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a history teacher trying to reach Robert Zimmerman who is featured on this site.   An 8th grade student is doing her National History Day project on Apollo 8 and would love to contact Mr. Zimmerman and ask some questions via email.   Let me know if any contact information is available.  Thank You.</p>
<p>Mark Bach<br />
International Community School<br />
Kirkland  WA</p>
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