More indications of the decline of Russia’s space effort
Two stories today give further hints that Russia’s space effort, run under the centralized government control of its space agency Roscosmos, is struggling. Both stories involve comments by the head of Roscosmos, Dmitry Rogozin, during an interview yesterday to celebrate the fifth anniversary of the Putin government’s takeover of Russia’s entire aerospace industry.
First, Rogozin announced that they intend to continue using their Soyuz manned capsule for at least ten more years, even though they are working to develop the Oryol replacement capsule and hope to fly its first unmanned test flight by 2023.
“I am absolutely sure that the Soyuz MS will be exploitable for at least ten years. That is why, during the first years we will use both the Soyuz MS and a new spacecraft,” he said.
Though it makes sense for Russia to fly both spacecraft for a period of time, ten years seems exorbitant. It suggests that Rogozin is covering his behind in case Oryol ends up getting delayed significantly.
Based on Russia’s track record the past twenty years, it is very likely Oryol will not fly by 2023. Since the turn of this century they have been promising new spacecraft and rockets without ever delivering. They have also spent a quarter of a century building one module for ISS. It has become their mode of operations to go slow and not deliver. Rogozin must know this, and is covering his bets by announcing Soyuz that will fly for many more years.
Second, Rogozin made it a point to denigrate the U.S. manned space effort, calling it a “political project” not interested in “helping” its partners. To quote him precisely:
For the United States this is now more of a political project. With the lunar project, we are observing the departure of our American partners from the principles of cooperation and mutual support that have developed in cooperation with the ISS. They see their program not as international, but as similar to NATO. There is America, everyone else must help and pay. Honestly we are not interest in participating in such a project. [emphasis mine]
Apparently, because we will no longer be buying seats on a Soyuz (which has helped keep Roscosmos above water for the past decade), and are also requiring that Russia pay its own way in working with us in getting back to the Moon, he considers us no longer willing to following “principles of cooperation and mutual support.”
How mean of us! We should not only let them share in the glory of getting back to the Moon, we should provide them the funds to do it.
Rogozin also indicated they are now talking to China about working with them on future interplanetary exploration. The article correctly notes that these comments could be a negotiating ploy by Rogozin to get the U.S. to pry open its wallet. That might work, but Trump officials should know that it is very doubtful China will funnel any cash to Russia.
Both stories indicate the overall decline in Russia’s capabilities. They appear to need a partner to provide them financial support, even as they struggle vainly to get anything done on their own.
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Two stories today give further hints that Russia’s space effort, run under the centralized government control of its space agency Roscosmos, is struggling. Both stories involve comments by the head of Roscosmos, Dmitry Rogozin, during an interview yesterday to celebrate the fifth anniversary of the Putin government’s takeover of Russia’s entire aerospace industry.
First, Rogozin announced that they intend to continue using their Soyuz manned capsule for at least ten more years, even though they are working to develop the Oryol replacement capsule and hope to fly its first unmanned test flight by 2023.
“I am absolutely sure that the Soyuz MS will be exploitable for at least ten years. That is why, during the first years we will use both the Soyuz MS and a new spacecraft,” he said.
Though it makes sense for Russia to fly both spacecraft for a period of time, ten years seems exorbitant. It suggests that Rogozin is covering his behind in case Oryol ends up getting delayed significantly.
Based on Russia’s track record the past twenty years, it is very likely Oryol will not fly by 2023. Since the turn of this century they have been promising new spacecraft and rockets without ever delivering. They have also spent a quarter of a century building one module for ISS. It has become their mode of operations to go slow and not deliver. Rogozin must know this, and is covering his bets by announcing Soyuz that will fly for many more years.
Second, Rogozin made it a point to denigrate the U.S. manned space effort, calling it a “political project” not interested in “helping” its partners. To quote him precisely:
For the United States this is now more of a political project. With the lunar project, we are observing the departure of our American partners from the principles of cooperation and mutual support that have developed in cooperation with the ISS. They see their program not as international, but as similar to NATO. There is America, everyone else must help and pay. Honestly we are not interest in participating in such a project. [emphasis mine]
Apparently, because we will no longer be buying seats on a Soyuz (which has helped keep Roscosmos above water for the past decade), and are also requiring that Russia pay its own way in working with us in getting back to the Moon, he considers us no longer willing to following “principles of cooperation and mutual support.”
How mean of us! We should not only let them share in the glory of getting back to the Moon, we should provide them the funds to do it.
Rogozin also indicated they are now talking to China about working with them on future interplanetary exploration. The article correctly notes that these comments could be a negotiating ploy by Rogozin to get the U.S. to pry open its wallet. That might work, but Trump officials should know that it is very doubtful China will funnel any cash to Russia.
Both stories indicate the overall decline in Russia’s capabilities. They appear to need a partner to provide them financial support, even as they struggle vainly to get anything done on their own.
On Christmas Eve 1968 three Americans became the first humans to visit another world. What they did to celebrate was unexpected and profound, and will be remembered throughout all human history. Genesis: the Story of Apollo 8, Robert Zimmerman's classic history of humanity's first journey to another world, tells that story, and it is now available as both an ebook and an audiobook, both with a foreword by Valerie Anders and a new introduction by Robert Zimmerman.
The print edition can be purchased at Amazon or from any other book seller. If you want an autographed copy the price is $60 for the hardback and $45 for the paperback, plus $8 shipping for each. Go here for purchasing details. The ebook is available everywhere for $5.99 (before discount) at amazon, or direct from my ebook publisher, ebookit. If you buy it from ebookit you don't support the big tech companies and the author gets a bigger cut much sooner.
The audiobook is also available at all these vendors, and is also free with a 30-day trial membership to Audible.
"Not simply about one mission, [Genesis] is also the history of America's quest for the moon... Zimmerman has done a masterful job of tying disparate events together into a solid account of one of America's greatest human triumphs."--San Antonio Express-News
Sounds like sour grapes to me. The Russian space effort was ALWAYS political in nature, which is why it’s in the deep hole it’s in today. Putin no longer sees any significant political advantage in such a program, so it is fading from view. It will be kept just alive enough for the Russians to claim to be still in the space game, but not enough to be a real player.
China and Russia could team up to race us to the Moon. I’m fine with that. Good luck to ‘em.
“How mean of us! We should not only let them share in the glory of getting back to the Moon, we should provide them the funds to do it.”
We kindly paid the Russians to complete their modules that they attached to the ISS, and we paid them to put our astronauts on MIR. We paid them for astronaut rides to ISS. Did we also pay them to do the Apollo-Soyuz Test Project? The Russians may see the U.S. space program in a different light than we do, they may see it as a source of income, while we see it as a science mission (or, if you are in Congress, a spending mission). If we stop paying them, then there is a drastic change in our relationship, to their detriment.
“It has become their mode of operations to go slow and not deliver.”
The Russians certainly hold to the engineering aphorism that if it ain’t broke then don’t fix it. They currently have some working rockets and a working manned spacecraft, so there is not much motivation to replace them. Modern competition is rapidly changing this, so sometime in the next decade the Russians may decide that SpaceX has broken their current space program.
Once again, a problem brought on by the United States. How mean of us!