Republican Obamacare bill does not have votes


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It appears that the Obamacare bill put forth by the Republican leadership in the House does not have the votes for passage. There are also reports that Ryan will pull the bill rather than have it go down to defeat.

You want a bill that all Republicans can (and have) supported, along with the people that voted for them? Re-introduce this bill.

(a) PPACA.—Effective on the date that is 180 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (Public Law 111–148) is repealed, and the provisions of law amended or repealed by such Act are restored or revived as if such Act had not been enacted.

(b) Health care-Related provisions in the Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act of 2010.—Effective on the date that is 180 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, title I and subtitle B of title II of the Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act of 2010 (Public Law 111–152) are repealed, and the provisions of law amended or repealed by such title or subtitle, respectively, are restored or revived as if such title and subtitle had not been enacted.

That’s the entire legal text of the bill. It is very simple, and gets us back to where we were in 2010, which might not have been a perfect place, but is a good place to start if you want to consider reform. Tinkering with the crap law that Obama and the Democrats gave us is stupid, and will accomplish nothing.

And if the Democrats filibuster this bill? Let them. Campaigning for Obamacare has clearly not been a good thing for them (see 2010, 2014, and 2016), and in the 2018 elections the Democrats are very vulnerable, with many running in strongly Republican states.

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23 comments

  • Garry

    While I agree with the overall point,

    “It is very simple, and gets us back to where we were in 2010, which might not have been a perfect place, but is a good place to start if you want to consider reform.”

    doesn’t tell the whole story; lots of things have changed since 2010. I don’t think 6 months is long enough for insurance companies to put their packages/menus together (much of which involves negotiations with medical providers). Even if they can do this task quickly, I think many of them will lack the confidence in their reading of the market to do it that quickly.

    It will probably be years before the markets stabilize enough where even agents and brokers, nevermind consumers, feel confident when they shop.

    That said, I agree that the best way forward is to pass this simple bill, while recognizing that we will be put in a place that will have the rules as they existed in 2010, but will not operate like the market did in 2010; as with anything, there will be growing pains.

  • Judy

    erm… I think it’s “filibuster”

  • wayne

    If they don’t kill it all now, it will never go away. Back to 2010 at a minimum.

    Have zero tolerance for health “insurance” companies when it comes to this. They had no trouble willingly signing-up and getting in bed with the Feds. They salivated over forcing people to buy their products. If they get burned getting out of bed, they can eat it all.
    –But they won’t.
    And speaking of “monopoly” from the other thread– very few companies control “health insurance,” and they are essentially just administrative-appendages for carrying out huge social-welfare programs.

  • LocalFluff

    Disaster for the Republicans to not being able to handle Obamacare in spite of having majority everywhere. Their voters just wasted their votes on incompetent non-achievers, and the smart voters won’t repeat that mistake. It should split up into several parties, it is obviously useless as it is now. There’s no point in having one party that encompasses everything from socialists to libertarians, from war mongering madman McCain to mumbling bureaucrat Kasich. So now Obamacare will rotten like the Soviet Union, that’s not pretty.

  • Frank

    The Rinos dont have the backbone to stand up to the Democrats, the media (sorry, redundant) and insurance lobby pressure. Costly entitlement programs like Obamacare are nearly impossible to stop because all we hear and read about is how the Republicans want to make people sick, deny insurance to millions and raise costs for everyone.

    Most everything on the mainstream news now is about politics and who’s winning and losing. The news media are a tool of the left and have failed us.

  • pzatchok

    Double the time line and I can go along with it.

    Remember that it took almost 6 years for Obama care to take full effect.

    In that year the people can come up with a better new law to replace Obama care when it is finally tanked.

  • wodun

    They shouldn’t end Obamacare before a year ends so that people who have insurance through it don’t get kicked off their plans and they have time to find new ones. They should repeal it but not have the full repeal kick in for a few years. This allows everyone time to adjust but also puts pressure on to work other solutions.

  • ken anthony

    Just give people the right to opt out and let the market take care of the rest.

    We also need to provide something for people that had insurance but lost it due to ObamaCare if they now have pre-existing conditions they were covered for by their old insurance. They were doing the right thing and the govt. came along and screwed them.

  • D. Williams

    Write a good health care bill, send it to the Senate, and dare the Dems to filibuster it. If they do, go nuclear and pass it.

  • LocalFluff

    Frank,
    “Costly entitlement programs like Obamacare are nearly impossible to stop because all we hear and read about is how the Republicans want to make people sick, deny insurance to millions and raise costs for everyone.”

    It actually can turn around and go the other way too, sort of. Sweden has had totally socialist health care since the 1960s, they even nationalized all pharmacies. But since 1991 (when the Soviet Union collapsed and the far left socialists weren’t so cocky anymore) private health care has grown steadily. At the same time the accessibility and quality of government health care has deteriorated. Instead of having prices clear demand and supply, the queue ticket number and the brief opening hours do. Emergency care has something like 4 hours average waiting time. So the situation now is that we still pay about 7% income tax for socialist health care (not including elderly care), but to actually get any health care one has to pay again privately. It is at least an improvement that private health care isn’t illegal anymore. When health care fails, people with above average income do put pressure on the politicians. There’s some hope in the long run.

    Hey, you could look at Cuban health care! Socialists all over the world has always lauded Castro for having so many doctors per capita! (Forgetting the fact that it was as high already during Batista).

  • LocalFluff

    The president’s weekly address is the most pro-space exploration ever since JFK:
    https://www.whitehouse.gov/featured-videos/video/2017/03/25/32517-weekly-address

    No useful promises or policies, but between Obamacare and tax reform, and whatever the foreign policy banabana mess is about, the president spends an entire weekly address on space exploration. Why? Where did this come from? Wow! I have to look at it a couple of more times to try to believe it, and please ignore this post if I am typing while dreaming.

  • Edward

    From the article: “We learned a lot about loyalty

    I suspect that they learned the wrong lesson about loyalty. Rather than learning that the Republican leadership needs to be loyal to the voters who wanted an actual repeal instead of a faux repeal, they have decided that the conservatives are the ones who are not loyal to the Republican leadership. The conservatives remained loyal to We the People, but the RINO Republican leadership — including Trump — did not.

    Loyalty works in both directions. Government must be loyal to the people they govern for the people to be loyal to them. It is one of the lessons of the feudal system.

    I believe that the lack of loyalty to their constituents is why the Democrats lost so many votes over the past few years. The Democrat leadership did as they wanted, but the Democrat voters want something different.

    Garry wrote: “I don’t think 6 months is long enough for insurance companies to put their packages/menus together/i”

    Those companies that are not nimble enough can keep their current plans in place until they can create better options for their customers. As when Obamacare kicked in (kicked us where it hurts most), companies are obligated, by other laws, to keep their customers in a new plan when they phase out an old plan.

    LocalFluff wrote: “Hey, you could look at Cuban health care!”

    I’m not so impressed with Cuban healthcare. When he had a stroke, they sent Fidel Castro to a foreign hospital. This is a sign that they lack confidence in their own healthcare system, so why should anyone else have confidence in it or copy it?

  • ken anthony

    The RINOs have never been loyal to the president or the American people. Also, the president doesn’t write laws. He has to depend on congress to do that.

    Trump will come out of this fine. Congress will not if they don’t get a clue.

    Congress was going to hang this anchor around Trump’s neck but failed.

  • What did we learn? How about this:

    Trump basically licensed his name to Ryan’s health care bill the same way he’s done for steaks and vodka and hotels and his university. Trump left the details to everyone else. He didn’t take the time to understand what was in it. When it came time for the negotiator, the closer, the brilliant businessman Trump believes himself to be, he didn’t know enough to get the deal done. Then he turned around and blamed the Democrats for not voting for the bill that his own party wouldn’t pass.

  • Max

    A clean break repealing the law would have been the best for our country and healthcare system.
    When has the government ever done what is best? Where’s the profit in that? Government is always breaking things so that they can fix them.
    Instead of keeping their promises, they chose to keep Obama care… Not an accident especially considering the alternative was “Obama care light” which did not lower the price of coverage, stop it from failing, or to remove the federal government from our lives. The control of 1/5 of the economy is too much power to throw away.
    “Dead on arrival on purpose”.

    “Tinkering with the crap law that Obama and the Democrats gave us is stupid, and will accomplish nothing.”

    So everyone, what is the end game? Think about it… Every time a bad law or bad decision gets into trouble our Senate and Congress have only one direction they can turn. To spend money. BAIL OUT the healthcare system! (with millions of lives at stake, it’s too big to fail)
    All those insurance companies we were worried about going out of business? Also too big to fail. The crony capitalists are Jockeying for a position at the feeding trough because uncle Sam is coming to a rescue with lots of cash…
    “What else can we do? We have to protect the poor and the children, just think of the children… The poor poor children”
    (Cue the crying mother with the priest placing his hand on her shoulder)
    Single payer will become the mandate. All the Republicans have to do is….. nothing…

  • wayne

    Max–
    Good stuff.

    It’s always for the children….

    Return of the Creepy Obama Kids
    https://youtu.be/p9Xy4hNyYFs

  • LocalFluff

    On space policy, With Trump’s Friday space ad using Hubble and JWST as theme, maybe there’s weight in this (Hubble reservicing mission):
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w88wOQ57594

  • Max

    Thanks Wayne, I don’t know where you come up with all the stuff you post.

    I was thinking about what you commented on the progression toward socialism.

    http://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/vote-on-republican-obamacare-bill-canceled/#comments

    All those things you listed as being a step towards single-payer healthcare. Your examples summed up progressivism quite nicely.

    Didn’t Ronald Ragan say; government can’t solve the problem, because government “is” the problem…
    When government tackles a problem, it’s always three steps forward, against our liberties, with one step back to take a breath, for the masses to get comfortable again, and to give Progressives a running start for the next three steps forward to the new utopia social order. (A fantasy that always ends up in death and distruction as it crumbles “wherever it’s tried” without exception)
    All they need for single payer to be in acted, it’s for good people to do nothing.
    The tracks have been greased, the slope is just right, it will slide into place as Obama care falters and crashes. And out of the smoke and ruin, the cry of the unwashed masses will declare “healthcare is a right!”
    (The right for government to take money from your bank account, and place in there’s as arbiters of all that is good and holy for the welfare of the masses)(The cronies have a pass to the front of the line)
    The most obedient and productive slave, is the one who doesn’t know he’s a slave… The illusion must be maintained to protect their power over us.
    The show man Trump needs a diversion. Act two is about to begin, Cue the tap dancers and the ponies, the Washington side show is about to start… Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.
    “Beware of those with good intentions”.
    A person with a pure heart will not ask anything of you. Only for you to pass it on to someone else.

  • Edward

    ken anthony wrote: “the president doesn’t write laws. He has to depend on congress to do that.

    In reality, the president often suggests bills, even providing content. This is what he does when he presents a budget to Congress. It is his way of saying, “I want to sign this, but I will accept something similar.”

    LocalFluff asked: “the president spends an entire weekly address on space exploration. Why? Where did this come from?

    I think that Trump is remembering what was great about America and what showed our greatness unequivocally. The US went from a cold war underdog on 4 October 1957 to the supreme leader just 12 years later.

    Trump’s address showed one of America’s great achievements, a men on the Moon; he described one individual astronomer’s unconventional, innovative, bold, and exceptionally successful use of the Hubble Space Telescope; and he promised a future of NASA exploration of the universe. “In America, anything is possible if we have the courage and wisdom to learn. … We are truly a great place to be.

    He did not qualify his feelings and thoughts with phrases such as “for the first time in my adult life.” He was sure. From the first day the Pilgrims set foot on this land in order to gain religious liberty, this has always been what America is supposed to be. The freedom to do try new and unusual things, such as spend precious time on the Hubble looking at what appears to be nothing in order to find out what might actually be there, is what makes America great.

    Four decades ago a Canadian commentator, Gordon Sinclair, made a broadcast that explained that even in dark times, the United States was still the greatest nation on Earth, and I think that Trump remembers Sinclair’s speech and is making a similar case in a similar way:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJ_okAgAUGE (5 minutes)

    I believe that this is the great America that Trump says he wants to make again.

  • Cotour

    Thats a great speech by Canadian, Gordon Sinclair. He makes great points and give us all perspective, good find Edward.

    Lets continue to be America and not aspire to Socialist mediocrity.

    Why do other country’s not do what America does? Because they are not America.

  • wayne

    Edward– Good stuff, and thanks for the Gordon Sinclair clip, I had totally forgotten about it. That had heavy AM rotation in my area.

    Max– Good stuff.

    D. Messier– you are definitely on to something– Trump outsourced his signature promise, to the likes of Priebus & Ryan.

  • Joe

    I will second the video Edward posted! The rest of the world hates us till they need us.

  • Edward

    Cotour asked: “Why do other country’s not do what America does?

    America does what it does because her early colonies tried forms of socialism, only to discover that they didn’t have any Other People’s Money (as Margaret Thatcher noted) in order to save them from the folly of socialism.

    Other countries have centuries of assets built up that help them through their socialist choices, and they have the US to bail them out, too. The Soviet Union received a lot of food and other help from the US before it collapsed. Other countries have not yet learned the lesson that Plymouth Colony learned in their first year. Venezuela may be learning lessons due to their shortages of toilet paper, beer, and now food. Unfortunately, it looks like the major lesson is to implement corruption:
    https://www.pri.org/stories/2017-01-06/venezuelas-military-has-turned-its-food-crisis-racket-and-its-profiting-people

    Come to think of it, the power of the military might have something to do with the lack of freedoms in some other countries, explaining why they don’t do what America does. Freedom results in a lot of power in the hands of We the People rather than They the Government or the military.

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