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Antrim County election audit: Dominion machines unreliable, evidence suggests vote tampering

The computer audit of the Atrim County election Dominion tabulator machines has found [pdf] irrevocable evidence that these machines and their software is unreliable, that the evidence suggests significant vote tampering, and also suggests criminal activity to do it.

The preliminary findings including 24 points, all of which are shocking. The second sums it up:

We conclude that the Dominion Voting System is intentionally and purposefully designed with inherent errors to create systemic fraud and influence election results. The system intentionally generates an enormously high number of ballot errors. The electronic ballots are then transferred for adjudication. The intentional errors lead to bulk adjudication of ballots with no oversight, no transparency, and no audit trail. This leads to voter or election fraud. Based on our study, we conclude that The Dominion Voting System should not be used in Michigan. We further conclude that the results of Antrim County should not have been certified.

The audit also included data from two other counties as well, all of which confirmed the results from Antrim.
The audit found that the software for this election somehow failed to properly scan a “staggering” number of ballots, up to 81% in one case, requiring a manual unsupervised adjudication of the scan in order to record the vote. This failure rate — averaging 68.05% — was completely different than past election records, and exceeded the allowable election error rate established by the Federal Election Commission guidelines, 1 in 250,000 ballots (.0008%), by many orders of magnitude.

They also found evidence of willful obstruction of justice to hide these facts. The files and adjudication logs are missing. There was also an attempt to zero out the machines before the audit could obtain its data. Finally, the software was updated just before the election, and then just afterward.

The only reason to change software after the election would be to obfuscate evidence of fraud and/or to correct program errors that would de-certify the election. Our findings show that the Central Lake Township tabulator tape totals were significantly altered by utilizing two different program versions (10/232020 and 11/05/2020), both of which were software changes during an election which violates election law, and not just human error associated with the Dominion Election Management System. This is clear evidence of software generated movement of votes. The claims made on the Office of the Secretary of State website are false.

Read it for yourself. More important, download it immediately and pass it to friends. I predict that many of your Democratic Party friends will dismiss it as fake. Some however will not. If just ten percent recognize these facts the election will likely get invalidated.

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78 comments

  • Cotour

    MI Attorney Responsible For Forensic Examination Of 16 Dominion Machines Gets Threatening Call From MI State Bar… Radical MI AG Nessel Threatens “MI Lawyers” Supporting Trump

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/mi-attorney-responsible-forensic-examination-16-dominion-machines-gets-threatening-call-mi-state-bar-radical-mi-ag-nessel-threatens-mi-lawyers-supporting-trump/

    Government officials threatening ANY lawyer who would dare push against what must be. Not the objective truth of the matter, but WHAT MUST BE according to them, and throw objective truth out the window. A very high window.

    Threats and intimidation by a Democrat, how unusual.

    And its true, no lawyer could or should bring any case to the court that they understand to be fraudulent.

    And so there the cases are. Now what are you going to do about them Ms. Attorney General of Michigan?

  • Hoypaloy

    The pdf analysis reads well but unfortunately the affiant utterly fails to qualify himself as anything other than a degreed washroom attendant or who knows what. And that’s been the ongoing problem that judges have had: no credibility is being established for the people alleging these contentions.

  • Roger

    Motive and Opportunity are classic means of proving intent. The proof is complete with the circumstantial evidence provided by statistically impossible voting patterns.

  • Cotour

    We do not want to know, what could have been done.

    I want to see WHAT WAS DONE! And how it was done.

  • Hoypaloy: Your response reminds me of two very wise sayings that describe you perfectly:

    “There are none so blind as those who will not see.” — John Heywood.

    “For evil to triumph good men need only do nothing.” — Edmund Burke.

  • Andrew_W

    A prominent electoral map on the website of Everylegalvote.com, a self-described fraud-buster, conveyed an alternate reality on Monday.

    Despite the latest election results showing Joseph R. Biden Jr. winning a decisive 306 votes in the Electoral College compared with 232 for President Trump, the site’s map showed Mr. Trump as the winner of the election.

    Mr. Trump had received 232 votes compared with 214 for Mr. Biden, according to the site’s map, which was flecked with orange to connote states where it claimed that voter fraud had been detected. Click on a tab saying “without voter fraud,” and Mr. Trump’s vote suddenly leapt to 318 against Mr. Biden’s 220.

    Everylegalvote.com lists its sponsors and financial backers as a coalition of right-wing groups including Allied Security Operations Group, the Economic War Room, and Liberty Center for God and Country.

    An office manager at Allied Security Operations Group, who declined to give her name, said by phone that the group was a private Dallas-based cybersecurity firm. She said the issue of voter fraud was an area of specialty of the company’s chief financial officer, Russell Ramsland, a businessman who ran for Congress in Texas as a Republican in 2016 and was defeated in the primary. According to Mr. Ramsland’s LinkedIn profile, he has an M.B.A. from Harvard.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/16/technology/a-website-funded-by-right-wing-groups-gains-followers-with-debunked-voting-fraud-claims.html

    The report makes extraordinary claims, quite unbelievable, “extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence”, Allied Security Operations Group appears to have an extremely low internet profile, and it and it’s chief financial officer, Russell Ramsland, whose report is the focus of Mr. Zimmerman’s article, financially supports highly partisan groups.

    I suspect an audit of the audit is required.

  • Mitch S

    “The chickens have come home to roost” comes to mind.
    Groups such as the Electronic Frontier Foundation (yes a left leaning bunch) have been warning about electronic voting for about two decades (this really came up in the 2000 election).
    General recommendations were the voting system must have a clear papertrail – on paper (paper ballots or a printout the voter could see and verify) and open source software (not secret “proprietary” glop).

    But as seen in the report the Dominion systems are nowhere close. (Here in NJ it’s fully electronic – push a button and it goes someplace – no hard copy record at all).
    Why has nothing changed? – because the pols in charge don’t want to change the system that got them elected.
    I went on the Dominion website. I couldn’t find any mention of their management or ownership.
    But they do prominently display the reason pols like Dominion:
    “THE DOMINION DIFFERENCE – WE DELIVER!”
    They sure do…

    PS Look at the security Dominion claims to deliver vs what the report found:
    https://www.dominionvoting.com/dominion-secure/

  • Trent Castanaveras

    Andrew_W:

    Indeed. This certainly opens the door for further analysis. I would like to see several such audits performed, in every state that uses these machines. What do we have to lose?

  • Carlos Mezon

    >>> “Dominion machines unreliable, evidence suggests vote tampering…”

    NO [Deleted] !!!!!

  • Cotour

    I believe I wrote all of this very thing when this all started, even before many were commenting on China and the many threats that it posed:

    https://redstate.com/slee/2020/12/13/dni-ratcliffe-connects-china-the-pandemic-and-the-possible-foreign-election-interference-n293967

    “Ratcliffe told Bartiromo that China’s suppression of information surrounding the pandemic in the early days of the outbreak led to the virus’ spread around the world and that this affected “how people had to vote” in the 2020 general election in the U.S. He detailed how state legislatures — sometimes as late as 90 days before the election — instituted new voting procedures and adopted universal mail in balloting leading to the confusion still rampant and the allegations of vote fraud

    In an op-ed published on Dec.3, Ratcliffe wrote in the Wall Street Journal that China has no intention of stopping their push to sit atop the “global order”

    “China believes that a global order without it at the top is a historical aberration. It aims to change that and reverse the spread of liberty around the world.

    Beijing is preparing for an open-ended period of confrontation with the U.S. Washington should also be prepared. Leaders must work across partisan divides to understand the threat, speak about it openly, and take action to address it.”

  • Carlos Mezon: No obscenities are allowed on this website. The rules are very clear. You are warned. You will be suspended for a week the next time, and banned at the third violation.

  • Col Beausabre

    This report is total BS, unlike the facts that show that the Russians sabotaged the 2016 elections to put their stooge, Trump, in the White House

  • Cotour

    BREAKING Nevada GOP ELECTORS CAST VOTES FOR PRESIDENT TRUMP!!

    Joe Biden / 50.06

    Trump / 47.67

    Didn’t they get the memo?

  • Trent Castanaveras

    And let us not forget, this is a preliminary report. The case goes to pre-trial tomorrow.

    It can be watched here:

    https://www.record-eagle.com/news/judge-sets-pretrial-hearing-in-antrim-voter-case/article_f227d3c6-3bff-11eb-86ce-bf35b200eed4.html

  • Cotour

    Just heard this, we will see if its true:

    CEO of, Solar Winds who sold massive amounts of company stock in November has surrendered his passport to authorities.

    SEE: Trump Executive orders.

  • Brian

    Cotour, I wondered if you had a chance to speak to your female very liberal friend that you had mentioned right before the election, that made the very big move, to vote for Trump after walking from work and seeing a sign in the grass of someones yard, that said “Pray for our Country”. I was interested to know what she thought of all that has gone on since the election.

  • Cotour

    Brian:

    RADIO SILENCE for several weeks, maybe 2 + months or so.

    I think the pressure became too much for her. (The politics really upset her, she is a sensitive person)

    And I do not know what she ultimately chose to do.

    If and when I find out I will tell you.

  • Cotour

    Bill Barr resigns!

  • Cotour

    “Significantly, the computer system shows vote adjudication logs for prior years; but all adjudication log entries for the 2020 election cycle are missing. The adjudication process is the simplest way to manually manipulate votes. The lack of records prevents any form of audit accountability, and their conspicuous absence is extremely suspicious since the files exist for previous years using the same software,”

    Crucial Logs Missing From Antrim County Dominion Voting Machines: Forensics Report (archive.org)

    The absence of these specific logs obviously indicates that someone did not want them examined and that would be for a specific reason.

    And that destruction of evidence is called evidence of criminal activity.

  • Cotour

    In the end, being the president of the Senate, is this entire situation going to come down to Mike Pence and whether he as the president of the Senate will or will not certify the electors choice for president?

    Pence must clearly see and understand at this point in time that there was enough fraud, corruption and violations of the Constitution of both the states and the country that he can not certify the results of the electors and the entire thing be thrown to the house and each state to vote for the president.

    What would he do in such a situation?

    And IMO he has been a rock solid vice president, even in very trying times and having the challenge of being Trumps vp.

    This may well be where this will wind up.

    What will he do?

    What will he do?

  • Trent: What they say they will do, and what they actually do, are two different things. The Republican leadership in Arizona has been somewhat undependable in this story. A lot of what they have done so far has been to delay and not dig into the facts. Based on what I know, just getting this hearing required enormous pressure on that leadership because they simply didn’t want to do it.

    I will wait and see.

  • Cotour

    The courts are going to do all they can to pass it all on. What judge is going to put themselves out there? NONE.

    And where does it all ultimately go? Think about it.

    To Mike Pence, the president of the Senate, he has to certify it. And he will have all of this presented evidence of corruption and fraud and violations of Constitutions and law that has been piled up in the many courts that have rejected it all. And he will have all the justification to reject the presented electors votes. And it all goes to the house where each state has 1 vote.

    That is growing very clear to me now.

    All eyes on Mike Pence.

    Strategy? Or Morality?

    Mike is a straight shooter, but he is also a politician. Its going to be very interesting.

  • Andrew _W

    Cotour, I also think Pence has been a very stable VP, which is why I think the process will continue as it normally does, to Biden’s inauguration.

  • Cotour

    Mike Pence is a strong man of God, his task will be challenging and mighty, a King Solomon’s conundrum.

    What will he do? Split the baby?

    AND in the end, either way, he will never be president.

    And that may well be the calculation and so he has nothing to lose by rejecting the fraudulent and corrupted results with a free and clear conscience.

    Is there fraud and corruption in the election? Without doubt yes.

    Enough to change the results if remedied? Again, yes.

    Its Mike Pence’s fiduciary responsibility.

    And so it will be done if presented.

  • wayne

    C–
    I’m not thinking the VP has discretion to do what you outline, IIRC it’s an administrative duty. (but I don’t know precisely)

    “January 6, 2021—Congress counts the electoral votes:
    Congress meets in joint session to count the electoral votes. The Vice President, as President of the Senate, presides over the count and announces the results of the Electoral College vote. The President of the Senate then declares which persons, if any, have been elected President and Vice President of the United States.”

    –on the other hand….

    “If any objections to the electoral votes are made, they must be submitted in writing and be signed by at least one member of the House and one Senator. If objections are presented, the House and Senate withdraw to their respective chambers to consider the merits of the objection(s) under procedures set out in Federal law.”

  • Gary

    Does the fat lady sing in these politically correct times? With the Electorial College doing its thing and Barr on his way out, I think the answer is yes..

  • Trent Castanaveras

    Trump lost a suit in the Wisconsin Supreme Court today, the unasked for mail in ballets one. It’s all over the news.

    But there was a second suit that completed in that court today. Curiously, this decision was not widely reported.

    https://t.co/1aNN6JO5Gg?amp=1

  • Max

    Cotour mentioned the CEO of solar winds is in trouble. I cought part of the investigation announcement with the breaking news of the raid by the Marshalls in Texas and the “o-crap” announcement on “Hannity” between my errands.
    This is Big, very very big…
    Who watches the watchers? When your IT people have all the passwords, can you trust them?

    SolarWinds says it has over 300,000 customers including:

    -more than 425 of the U.S. Fortune 500
    -all ten of the top ten US telecommunications companies
    -all five branches of the U.S. military
    -all five of the top five U.S. accounting firms
    -the Pentagon
    -the State Department
    -the National Security Agency
    -the Department of Justice
    -The White House.

    This is first one to break the story, more to come soon with details. (I was under the impression that it might involve dominion voting?)

    https://krebsonsecurity.com/2020/12/u-s-treasury-commerce-depts-hacked-through-solarwinds-compromise/

  • Andrew_W

    Is there fraud and corruption in the election? Without doubt no.

    Enough to change the results if remedied? Again, no.

    Its Mike Pence’s fiduciary responsibility.And so it will be done if presented.

    Heh, what will you say when he accepts the electors votes?

  • Cotour

    MO BROOKS, he is a very interesting guy. And just like Pence, he is rock solid.

    You keep watching Mr. Mo Brooks.

    (Andrew W, are you watching the same reality show that everyone else is watching? I swear its the Southern Hemisphere that effects some people in such an adverse manner)

  • wayne

    Andrew_W:
    We’ve had fraud & corruption in elections, at every single level (from dog-catcher to president), pretty much from day one in the United States.
    We used to regularly hate politician’s at all levels, as a semi-necessary evil, and we intentionally designed ‘government’ to play a small a role as possible, to hinder their ability to steal under the guise of helping people.
    -Politician-Worship (and Worship of Government in general), I would put forth, is a 20th century thing.
    In 1900, the only federal agency which the average person interacted was the Post Office, now the Feds are into everything.

  • wayne

    Gangs of New York –
    “Boss Tweed”
    https://youtu.be/W5DwnNPHVAU?t=44

    “New York loved William Tweed, and hated him. And those of us trying to be thieves couldn’t help but admire him.”

  • Cotour

    Andrew W:

    If Mike Pence reasonably sees that their has been corruption and fraud and chicanery in the 2020 election and there is a whole pile of real evidence that objectively satisfies him as to its real and true existence, and there is a bonified objection to the proceedings, than under his fiduciary responsibility as vice president he must do what must be done. He can do nothing else.

    To not do so would be very highly dishonorable and unacceptable on many levels, especially his Gods level.

    This is looking more and more reasonable to me.

  • Andrew _W

    Cotour, Pence has fulfilled his roll as a loyal VP while other Trump appointees have put other loyalties ahead of their loyalty to the president. But the party is over.

  • Cotour: If you think Mike Pence has the right to not count the electoral votes handed to him, especially if no one in Congress files a complaint, then you are wrong. The Constitution does not give him that power. Those who are saying it does are grasping at straws.

    The words are plain: “The President of the Senate [Pence] shall, in the presence of the Senate and the House of representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted.”

    All Pence does is count the votes as provided. He does not have the right to reject them.

    There has been discussion that if one congressman and and one senator object to the votes based on a belief of impropriety, the decision then goes to Congress, but I cannot find this in the Constitution.

  • Questioner

    Andrew_W:

    The extent of the ideologically induced cognitive disorder in respect to facts and reality suffered by leftists like you is staggering. I call it morbid. In my opinion, the days of talking to people like you are over. Now is the time to act.

  • Andrew _W

    Mr. Zimmerman, I’m disappointed that you’ve chosen to involve insert yourself into the game, a bit like pointing out their mistake to one of the players. (Kidding).

    Questioner, perhaps you could give the definition of “leftist” that you’re using it here.

  • wayne

    Mr. Z.,–
    see: ” 3 U.S. Code § 15 – Counting electoral votes in Congress.”

    “Congress shall be in session on the sixth day of January succeeding every meeting of the electors. The Senate and House of Representatives shall meet in the Hall of the House of Representatives at the hour of 1 o’clock in the afternoon on that day, and the President of the Senate shall be their presiding officer. Two tellers shall be previously appointed on the part of the Senate and two on the part of the House of Representatives, to whom shall be handed, as they are opened by the President of the Senate, all the certificates and papers purporting to be certificates of the electoral votes, which certificates and papers shall be opened, presented, and acted upon in the alphabetical order of the States, beginning with the letter A; and said tellers, having then read the same in the presence and hearing of the two Houses, shall make a list of the votes as they shall appear from the said certificates; and the votes having been ascertained and counted according to the rules in this subchapter provided, the result of the same shall be delivered to the President of the Senate, who shall thereupon announce the state of the vote, which announcement shall be deemed a sufficient declaration of the persons, if any, elected President and Vice President of the United States, and, together with a list of the votes, be entered on the Journals of the two Houses.
    –>Upon such reading of any such certificate or paper, the President of the Senate shall call for objections, if any. Every objection shall be made in writing, and shall state clearly and concisely, and without argument, the ground thereof, and shall be signed by at least one Senator and one Member of the House of Representatives before the same shall be received..<—
    When all objections so made to any vote or paper from a State shall have been received and read, the Senate shall thereupon withdraw, and such objections shall be submitted to the Senate for its decision; and the Speaker of the House of Representatives shall, in like manner, submit such objections to the House of Representatives for its decision; and no electoral vote or votes from any State which shall have been regularly given by electors whose appointment has been lawfully certified to according to section 6 of this title from which but one return has been received shall be rejected, but the two Houses concurrently may reject the vote or votes when they agree that such vote or votes have not been so regularly given by electors whose appointment has been so certified. If more than one return or paper purporting to be a return from a State shall have been received by the President of the Senate, those votes, and those only, shall be counted which shall have been regularly given by the electors who are shown by the determination mentioned in section 5 of this title to have been appointed, if the determination in said section provided for shall have been made, or by such successors or substitutes, in case of a vacancy in the board of electors so ascertained, as have been appointed to fill such vacancy in the mode provided by the laws of the State; but in case there shall arise the question which of two or more of such State authorities determining what electors have been appointed, as mentioned in section 5 of this title, is the lawful tribunal of such State, the votes regularly given of those electors, and those only, of such State shall be counted whose title as electors the two Houses, acting separately, shall concurrently decide is supported by the decision of such State so authorized by its law; and in such case of more than one return or paper purporting to be a return from a State, if there shall have been no such determination of the question in the State aforesaid, then those votes, and those only, shall be counted which the two Houses shall concurrently decide were cast by lawful electors appointed in accordance with the laws of the State, unless the two Houses, acting separately, shall concurrently decide such votes not to be the lawful votes of the legally appointed electors of such State. But if the two Houses shall disagree in respect of the counting of such votes, then, and in that case, the votes of the electors whose appointment shall have been certified by the executive of the State, under the seal thereof, shall be counted. When the two Houses have voted, they shall immediately again meet, and the presiding officer shall then announce the decision of the questions submitted. No votes or papers from any other State shall be acted upon until the objections previously made to the votes or papers from any State shall have been finally disposed of.
    (June 25, 1948, ch. 644, 62 Stat. 675.)

  • wayne

    3 USC 15: Counting electoral votes in Congress
    (Text contains those laws in effect on December 14, 2020)
    https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=granuleid:USC-prelim-title3-section15&num=0&edition=prelim

  • wayne

    Mark Levin went into this all in-depth (again) on his Monday show, first segment, around the 8-9 minute mark.

    http://www.marklevinshow.com

  • Jeff Fauva

    Dominion truthers:

    The report is a mess. It will go nowhere and will be easily swatted-away by any real experts. This is how conspiracies usually develop on the right:

    – Rightwing hack makes crazy assertion (birth certificate, pizzagate, voter fraud, etc..)
    – Rightwing mediasphere bats it around until a couple of prominent outlets pickup the story
    – The assertion is totally debunked
    – The right points to all of the stories and says, “look at all that evidence – there’s got to be more to this!”

    I already see the goalposts going from 30 yards to a mile – Robert wants all Dominion voting machines audited, even if (when) this case proves to be bogus. That’s not how it works. If the police pull you over and see nothing illegal going on in the passenger compartment, they don’t then get to search your house.

  • wayne

    Dominion stuff totally aside–
    I’m on record as saying no Court will touch “fraud.” But that is not the pivotal
    It is clearly a Federal Question as to whether Pennsylvania illegally changed their voting laws in 2019, and again in 2020. Only the State legislature can change State voting laws, not some non-elected bureaucrats or through any sort of consent-decree ala what was done with the stacy abrams settlement.
    SCOTUS has sealed their fate (and the rest of us along with them) by refusing to accept the (specific to GA.) case, and if Georgia then elects two democrat-senators under the same bogus laws.

    Jeff–
    You never met anyone who has been caught up in any sort of long-term DEA sting-operation, have you? Ever talk with anyone caught up in civil asset forfeiture?
    In the Alternate Universe, when they come for YOU, I won’t care.

  • Cotour

    The battle rages on while some have thrown up their hands and have resigned.

    One way or another it will all come down to that moment for Mike Pence: ” Are there any objections?”

    The evidence, both related to the election fraud and corruption AND the clear evidence that Joe Biden and his crime family, “invested” in and owned by the Communist Chinese, water boy for the Left and Leftists in the Democrat party must NEVER be president has been piled high and will continue to be even piled higher leading up to Jan 6th.

    Any Congress person or Senator that clearly understands these facts and refuses to do what must be done at the 11th hour would IMO be reasonably classified as a traitor to the country and the Constitution that they took an oath to. Think about it for two minutes. There is clear and unambiguous evidence of all of this and these Congress persons and Senators see and know much more than we do. And what we see and know is OUTRAGEOUS! This must be pushed to a vote of the states, one vote each, its got to be pushed to the end.

    Remember, this is the era of Trump, where all will be revealed. Its his destiny.

    Thank you Wayne:

    “Upon such reading of any such certificate or paper, the President of the Senate shall call for objections, if any. Every objection shall be made in writing, and shall state clearly and concisely, and without argument, the ground thereof, and shall be signed by at least one Senator and one Member of the House of Representatives before the same shall be received.”

    “When all objections so made to any vote or paper from a State shall have been received and read, the Senate shall thereupon withdraw, and such objections shall be submitted to the Senate for its decision; and the Speaker of the House of Representatives shall, in like manner, submit such objections to the House of Representatives for its decision; and no electoral vote or votes from any State which shall have been regularly given by electors whose appointment has been

    *lawfully certified*

    to according to section 6 of this title from which but one return has been received shall be rejected, but the two Houses concurrently may reject the vote or votes when they agree that such vote or votes have not been so regularly given by electors whose appointment has been so certified. “

  • wayne: Thank you for legal quote. That does outline how things may go, especially if more Dominion machine audits find what was found in Antrim.

    As for Jeff Fauv, I repeat: Your response reminds me of two very wise sayings that describe you perfectly:

    “There are none so blind as those who will not see.” — John Heywood.

    “For evil to triumph good men need only do nothing.” — Edmund Burke.

  • Cotour

    From the real world:

    I just received this message from my gay female friend who despises Trump because she sees him as an existential threat to her “Alternate” life style.

    ” WOOHOOO!. I have to concede, SCOTUS appears to be working out in a just way… So far.

    https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/12/supreme-court-rejects-indiana-birth-certificate-case.html

    My reply:

    “Thank God.

    “Stare decisis”: I think I may have pointed that out to you not so long ago.

    Concession accepted.

    (Now you can love Trump? Well maybe like at least. Sometimes Love can take a while :) ”

    (And some how some way we all move positively into the future. Is everyone happy? No, but that’s life.)

  • Jeff Fauva

    Robert: Thanks for the shout out and ever-so-wise wisdom. The report is written to give pull quotes to validate your prior beliefs. Wake me when this report has any relevance outside of the rightwing outrageousphere.

  • Cotour

    So polite.

    IMO the highest form of contempt.

  • Cotour: I am reminded of that lovely southern expression, “Bless your heart.”

    It is people like Fauva that allowed the Nazis to gain power in Germany. Their willful ignorance disgusts me.

  • Cotour

    So transparent, so void of objectivity.

    And he sees himself as being so superior and so enlightened.

    In my experience these are the worst of the worst. Could not substantively argue his way out of a paper bag, just cover and inundate you with bumper stickers.

    A future junior Nazi? Without a doubt given the “superior” opportunity.

    Hasn’t made a concrete statement about what he believes or about what America is, and is not in all of the posts he has made. Not one.

    Is what it is.

  • wayne

    Jeff-
    here ya’ go….

    “Philip Dru Administrator: A Story of Tomorrow 1920-1935”
    by Edward Mandell House
    https://archive.org/details/philip-dru-administrator/page/n1/mode/2up?q=Philip+Dru+Administrator

  • Jeff Fauva

    Yeah yeah – I’m the dumb unenlightened rube. Meanwhile, this report will only be remembered in the long litany of debunked grievances for the high-pitched voices of the rageaholic right. They will make countless hours of programming out of it and you will lap-up every word.

  • Cotour

    We are right now witnessing the process of those who have attained political empowerment with the reality of what it has all come to, the nature of man related to the exercise of power in governance.

    This is our system, this is our process.

    We all choose our sides based on our acquired life perspective and we look for the evidence that supports and justifies it.

    I understand what by design should ultimately happen in extreme times. And so it must be. And if it is not, THEN we are in a true Constitutional crisis unlike we have never before seen. Up until now we have not been anywhere near a Constitutional crisis, everything is operating as designed.

    My faith and confidence lies with the Founders of this scheme for civilization.

    (And how they were ever able to work it out confounds me still.)

    Everything will be revealed in the era of Trump.

  • Andrew_W

    My faith and confidence lies with the Founders of this scheme for civilization.

    (And how they were ever able to work it out confounds me still.)

    Everything will be revealed in the era of Trump.

    Sounds very religious.
    I think it’s allowing the dead too much say that’s gotten America into the current strife.
    But the robustness of the US system has evidently enabled the country to survive the storm for now.
    The Trump era is effectively over.

  • Cotour

    “Sounds very religious.”

    When you are able to objectively see the accomplishment in the context of the time and what was in fact accomplished there is a feeling of awe and respect. I am happy that you were able to detect that.

    “I think it’s allowing the dead too much say that’s gotten America into the current strife.”

    These dead knew better because they lived at the interface of tyranny and their freedom. We exist many, many, many levels removed from that reality. And it is because of their efforts that we live in that fantasy where we may come to believe that we know better (Socialism and equal outcomes). And that is counter intuitive and wrong. How can human beings who have lived many levels removed from the reality of existence truly know better?

    They can not.

    Which is not to say that progress and improvements / adjustments can not be made. Not at all. But not when you are willing in your ignorance to throw the foundation of what they crafted out of a high window. Its like allowing a kindergartner the keys to your auto because they told you that they can drive.

    “Im an excellent driver”. https://youtu.be/f3Va1VCmq2s

    If and when you come to understand these concepts and the switch goes off in your head you will think: Now I understand what that guy on BTB was talking about. Maybe ten minutes from now? maybe just before you draw your last breath. Its up to you to some great degree.

  • Trent Castanaveras

    Arizona issues subpeonas to forensically audit Dominion Voting machines and software.

    https://t.co/gxY1KW3JMs?amp=1

  • Cotour

    FIDUCIARY: A fiduciary relationship encompasses the idea of faith and confidence and is generally established only when the confidence given by one person is actually accepted by the other person. Mere respect for another individual’s judgment or general trust in his or her character is ordinarily insufficient for the creation of a fiduciary relationship.

    The duties of a fiduciary include loyalty and reasonable care of the assets within custody. All of the fiduciary’s actions are performed for the advantage of the beneficiary.

  • Cotour

    McConnel encourages all Senators to NOT support Mo Brooks objection. (He needs one Senator to support his objection)

    https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/530327-mcconnell-urges-gop-senators-not-to-object-to-electoral-college-vote

    “No Republican senator has joined Brooks, though a few conservatives, including Sens. Josh Hawley (Mo.), Ron Johnson (Wis.) and Rand Paul (Ky.), haven’t ruled it out.”

    IF there are no Republican Senators that will under these circumstances where there is blatant fraud and corruption apparent to all and stand with Mo Brooks then the Republican party will revert to the Trumpublican party and IT will or should be taken over and those who refused to do what must be done must be dismissed.

    Strategy? Or, Morality?

    “If both a House member and senator object, the two chambers would have to meet separately, debate the issue and then have a majority in both chambers vote to uphold the objection to a state’s slate. A lawmaker has never been able to successfully throw out a state’s results.”

    Politics and expediency? Or going down the more difficult road and attempting to salvage what is undeniably blatant fraud and corruption by the Democrats of the highest order?

    We will all find out soon enough.

  • Andrew_W

    These dead knew better because they lived at the interface of tyranny and their freedom.

    Knew better than whom? Numerous people in numerous countries “lived at the interface of tyranny and their freedom”, including many who went on to spout rubbish ideologies and/or to become tyrants themselves. The founding fathers lived in their times, perhaps they understood their times. The best you can say is that they had the opportuninty to follow the teachings of the great men of the European Enlightenment, and to a large extent did. But while the principles of the enlightenment are timeless, their practical application becomes dated with changing politics and technology.

    How can human beings who have lived many levels removed from the reality of existence truly know better?

    They can not.

    Gobbledegook, perhaps you’re suggesting that some people today are out of touch with the realities of other peoples lives, that’s certainly true, for everyone to a some extent, often to a great extent.

    But not when you are willing in your ignorance to throw the foundation of what they crafted out of a high window.

    Like I said, the principles of the enlightenment they picked up from the great European thinkers of the 17th and 18th century, people like: Francis Bacon, René Descartes, David Hume, Immanuel Kant, Gottfried Leibniz, John Locke,, Jean-Jacques Rousseau, Adam Smith, and Voltaire. The principles stand, but crafting those principles into a system of governance has been done slightly differently many times, the system created by the US founding fathers only stands out because the US is the largest Western country today. In practical terms its record of governance is better than some, worse than others.

    Now I understand what that guy on BTB was talking about.

    Fortunately I can find the opinions of great people other than yourself to study.

    . . . under these circumstances where there is blatant fraud and corruption apparent to all . . .

    Except there isn’t, the “election was stolen” narrative is the creation of minds not willing to face reality, in the real world the election wasn’t stolen it was lost, but Trump can’t accept that, as it would make him, to his mind, the worst of all things – a loser.

  • wayne

    Nine Inch Nails –
    “Head Like A Hole”
    https://youtu.be/nOVW938sr0k
    4:59

    “…head like a hole,
    black as your soul,
    I’d rather die than give you Kontrol…”

  • Edward

    Jeff Fauva,
    You wrote: “Yeah yeah – I’m the dumb unenlightened rube. Meanwhile, this report will only be remembered in the long litany of debunked grievances for the high-pitched voices of the rageaholic right.

    Thank you for your admission of being dumb, unenlightened, and a rube. I hope you don’t mind me reminding you of this from time to time.

    Part of why your admission is so believable is that no one has debunked this audit. Of course, being unenlightened and a dumb rube, you do not realize this. As usual, you make up your own facts in order to seem to get your way.

  • Andrew_W

    Part of why your admission is so believable is that no one has debunked this audit . . . yet

    Fixed that for you.

    But of course the ridiculousness of the claims made in the audit, which are at odds with the evidence in the recount, combined with the fact that it was commissioned by a lawyer who employed an organization who both wanted the audit to reveal the machines faulty means the audit debunks itself.

    Thank you for your admission of being dumb, unenlightened, and a rube.

    If sarcasm isn’t self-demeaning it should at least be witty.

  • wayne

    Jeff-
    In what area of the Country do you live?

    Edward-
    hey! I rather think Jeff is baiting us. (good stuff all around, welcome to obamas amerika, eh?)

  • Trent Castanaveras

    Andrew_W:

    Those are excellwnt points. In the preliminary report ASOG goes beyond the facts into speculation. Not being the final draft may mean there is more data to present, but I’m not holding my breath.

    And others recognize these limitations, and are acting to fill in the gaps.

    https://beta.documentcloud.org/documents/20425685-subpoena-to-detroit-city-clerk

  • Cotour

    Andrew W:

    1. You, me and pretty much everyone else lives at the most peaceful time in human history. (Do you understand that?) There is a reason for that and the existence of the American Constitution has a very large part to play in that. We all live in a modern day fantasy and that fantasy sits upon in great measure the American Constitution.

    (Q: In the future if Communist China remains undeterred on their path to dominate the world, what will New Zealand do when they come and tell you what is what? When they tell you what you will be doing, saying and not doing and saying? When they come and confiscate your land and resources? Don’t be in such a hurry to throw the American Constitution under the bus for some fantasy that you think is out there.)

    2. Its not that many other people lived at the interface of their freedom and tyranny, its what the Founders were able to accomplish relating to identifying and codifying the fundamental elements of what are essential to the freedom of the individual and how that relates to the form of governance that one might find themselves.

    Yes, the Founders were of European stock and there were great men (And women) who understood the problems related to the individuals freedoms, primarily related to the freedom to worship as they pleased. The Europeans lived for a thousand + years under a form of governance that was based in royal lineage, feudalism, violence, corruption, nepotism, etc, etc and abuse of power. They knew it well, its the nature of man. And there came a point where that began to change and you can identify the Magna Carta as the paradigm shift in that model. But where could that paradigm shift in governance be fully realized?

    And America being a place situated physically far away from that old system was an opportunity for it to evolve, and the Constitution is the result, the evolution of, the next step in that unique thought process and situation and the need for individual freedom. You propose that I reject those great men (And women) of the European enlightenment, and nothing could be further from the truth. The Constitution is the next logical incarnation of their brilliance, and I make this point very specifically: These were actual and real PROGRESSIVES. Not like the Left and even Marxists today who are “Progressive” only for PR purposes.

    The Left today proposes that: “Socialism has not been done properly as of yet”. And the likes of you and a good number of others forget the lessons of history and are enamored with their Socialist destructive and enslaving fantasy of “Equal” outcomes. And that is where you must realize your mistake and adjust your direction of thought. Your brand of thought will result in only one result, being dominated, essentially owned by others who are stronger and more focused then you. You will be owned by the likes of the Communist Chinese who are the natural recipients of the Globalist / Socialist . New World order / One World government model.

    3. Andrew W: I never write, “Gobbledegook” when writing about the Constitution. The problem is your inability, or better misunderstanding of where the Constitution comes from and actually represents and accomplishes.

    4. There was clear and massive wide spread fraud and corruption in the 2020 presidential election, and that is plain to see. Again you look at these events from your moral perspective and there in its all unbelievable and beyond what a person or an organization would dare attempt to execute. Your perspective is limited by your morals and understanding of human nature related to power.

    And because of that fact you limit your ability to understand, and that goes to the advantage of those who would seek to control the likes of you and many others. You, just like most are your / our own worst enemy and we tend to limit and constrain ourselves within that model we have developed in our own heads. In other words all those who think similarly are victims of their limited ability to understand.

    Human potential is unlimited related to these domination aspirations.

    5. Trump does not like losing, but if it turns out that he has lost whether through his unpopularity, which is hard to grasp seeing what he accomplished in his administration and the numbers of people that follow and support him, or because the opposition was just smarter and more cunning and willing to go to take measures that were beyond his control, then so be it.

    Make no mistake, politics is a form or warfare, and all is fare in love and war. Fail to understand these things at your own and our peril.

    STRATEGY OVER MORALITY

  • Edward

    wayne wrote: “Edward- hey! I rather think Jeff is baiting us. (good stuff all around, welcome to obamas amerika, eh?)

    Of course he is, but it is so much fun needling him, especially since he isn’t smart enough to read lengthy replies. I get in zingers and he has no idea. Such ignorance is fun to tease and is worth the time taken. I hope it doesn’t get old, as it did for a couple of others that I stopped reading.

  • Andrew_W

    1. You, me and pretty much everyone else lives at the most peaceful time in human history. (Do you understand that?)
    Good to see I’ve managed to teach you one thing at least in the last few years.

    There is a reason for that and the existence of the American Constitution has a very large part to play in that.
    Nope, the biggest reason for the lower levels of conflict in the modern world is the far greater resources and wealth available due to technology, the creation of capitalism from simple market economies and the development of educated populations able to control their governments and with the knowledge to select smarter governments that better serve the public’s interests are also indirect products of improved technology and greater wealth. That, incidentally, is the dynamite the CCP will find itself standing on if it were to try to follow the path you imagine it’s destined to.

    2. Its not that many other people lived at the interface of their freedom and tyranny, its what the Founders were able to accomplish relating to identifying and codifying the fundamental elements of what are essential to the freedom of the individual and how that relates to the form of governance that one might find themselves.

    If there had never been an American revolution the US would have had a similar form of government to Australia or Canada, a federal system with a Westminster form of democracy. You probably imagine the country would be vastly different, I think I would probably have avoided a lot of the internal conflict that we see in American history, there would be minor differences, but not so great as to make the country anything other than a large English speaking Western democracy.

    You propose that I reject those great men (And women) of the European enlightenment,
    Nothing could be further from the truth, I don’t suggest you reject them, I suggest you just stop deifying them, they tinkered with the democratic process that they knew of, I don’t see any great leap forward in terms of governance, I suspect a step backwards, a step away from more sound democratic processes.

    I never write, “Gobbledegook”
    What I refereed to was the nonsense claim: “human beings who have lived many levels removed from the reality of existence”
    You’ve been munching on too many (red) pills, no humans live removed from the realities of existence because they all live in the real world, this isn’t the Matrix, their perspective will be different to you’re but it’s the same real world, you imagine your perspective is superior to theirs, and they imagine their perspective is superior to yours.
    I’ve slaughtered and butchered my own food, as a New Yorker your food is packaged. Should I claim that you live “many levels removed from the reality of existence” because of that difference in our life experiences? Surely it doesn’t get more real than eating what you yourself have killed?

    There was clear and massive wide spread fraud and corruption in the 2020 presidential election, and that is plain to see.
    Well that’s how it is in your echo chamber, meanwhile, the efforts to prove that claimed “widespread fraud” have failed, and when Republicans like William Barr and Mitch McConnell (and many others) fail to see what Trump loyalists can see they are labelled as traitors.

    . . . then so be it.
    I hear that sentiment over and over again, no doubt those who say it believe their own words, and I’ve heard similar sentiments from fanatics, cultists and conspiracy theorists, but for some reason, with those people also, the proof they need for them to change their minds about what they want to believe can never be found.

  • Cotour

    Where do I begin?

    1. “I’ve slaughtered and butchered my own food, as a New Yorker your food is packaged.”

    You are so very correct on this point, anyone who likes to eat, either chicken, beef, pork and have a mashed potato unwittingly and unconsciously farms out there killing and growing to others. They are all animals and are all killers, once removed that is.

    But many would never admit to being just that, animals and killers. Animals, 100 percent, and there in lies the beginning of the disconnect from the reality of existence that human beings perform every day. And that extends well into politics.

    “What I refereed to was the nonsense claim: “human beings who have lived many levels removed from the reality of existence”
    (Not nonsense)

    I call it the Intellectualizing of their reality. Human beings live in two realities, their DNA / biological reality, we live alone and apart from all others in an intellectualized reality which is purely a function of our unique brains. I think we can agree here, this is where it begins. Large brain, opposable thumbs, bipedal walking, tool making, controlling fire, Barbecue. The keys to the universe.

    2. “You propose that I reject those great men (And women) of the European enlightenment, Nothing could be further from the truth, I don’t suggest you reject them, I suggest you just stop deifying them, ”

    NEVER!

    Their accomplishments as an extension of those brilliant minds from which they came from in Europe require that they be seen with awe and admiration. Period. You don’t understand it? That is on you.

    3. “If there had never been an American revolution the US would have had a similar form of government to Australia or Canada, a federal system with a Westminster form of democracy.”

    FALSE.

    You nor I would be here to have this discussion had America not existed in the frame work of the history of the world.

    https://th.bing.com/th/id/OIP.w1gJXoZ9l-caCviRCFRGgAHaEc?w=290&h=180&c=7&o=5&dpr=1.25&pid=1.7

    4. There is clear evidence that the 2020 presidential election was wrought with fraud and corruption. It exists at varying degrees in ALL election in America. The rub is however, CAN YOU PROVE IT WAS ENOUGH AND SO EXTENSIVE THAT IT WOULD HAVE CHANGED THE RESULTS IN COURT. And that is coming one way or another, trust me on this.

    Will it be in time to save Trump from retiring? I am not certain, but the evidence of a concerted effort by the Democrats in key locations to cheat is there and it continues to pile up and will become apparent to all, even you. Trump for many reasons must go according to the Democrat party, he in real terms represents a real existential threat to them.

    (Trump must go. And that is exactly why he must stay.)

    Remember, Democrats in America, Socialists in other parts of the world, can never win an election (Except in Sweden), especially today without them first lying about everything that they say, think and do. A Democrat (Or Socialist) who tells the truth is an existential threat to the Democrat party body, and to prove that I give you the likes of , AOC. AOC and her honesty about exactly what she says thinks and does has resulted in major losses for the party. And that is the evidence. She is half educated and fully indoctrinated, a dangerous political condition.

    The question remains: Will the Democrat cheating machine be enough in force to steal the Georgia Senatorial race? Stay tuned on that, the same election machines will I assume be used and the likes of Stacy Abrams have been very busy with her mail in vote efforts. Mail in voting is the least secure form of voting, I.E. opportunity to cheat.

    5. “Nope, the biggest reason for the lower levels of conflict in the modern world is the far greater resources and wealth available due to technology, the creation of capitalism from simple market economies and the development of educated populations able to control their governments and with the knowledge to select smarter governments that better serve the public’s interests are also indirect products of improved technology and greater wealth.

    SEE # 3. , And.

    None of what you list would exist at the levels you cite if the American experiment in governance and economy never existed. The world would be a much more violent and a much dumber place. The American Constitution and Capitalism lies at the foundation of all you list.

    America, its Constitution and Capitalism is but one formula, one equation fashioned by man that solves the prime directive:

    How do we reproduce and successfully survive and move into the future?

    That’s enough to think about for now, I am digging out of a foot of snow today.

  • Cotour

    Andrew W:

    Why do you think that the Democrat party all over the country are constantly attempting to weaken the rules and laws that govern elections in America? They are constantly pushing: No identification, no ID, No photo ID, no signature verification, same day registration, 16 year olds to vote, mass mail in voting, absentee voting and anything else they can come up with to weaken the security of the vote?

    Why do you think that is?

    https://populist.press/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/The-Immaculate-Deception-12.15.20-1.pdf

    I say to you again, Democrats in America would never be able to be elected to much of any elected office except for where they can cheat and run in weakened security systems. They would sell their mothers and their grand mothers in order to be able to structure how elections are conducted.

    By any means necessary means by any means necessary, its the Democrat mantra. Its THEIR religion. And to be fair, the Republicans are corrupt in their own special ways. But the Democrats represent the real threat to Democracy and freedom in America and by extension the world. And that is a certainty, That is bank.

    Are you beginning to understand now?

  • Andrew _W

    “Why do you think that the Democrat party all over the country are constantly attempting to weaken the rules and laws that govern elections in America?”

    They would argue that what they’re doing is making it easier for eligable voters to enrole and to vote. Either way it seems that your voter registration system and voting system is a complete mess.

  • Cotour

    Andrew W:

    That is the point my friend, the mess is the system. And that is precisely the way they want it, anything else would be a hardship on the Democrat party. They can not win honest elections, not ones that really count anyway.

    And that system is specifically designed by the Democrats for the purposes that I have specified. All of those items that I have listed are designed to weaken the voting system and are promoted and argued for by the Democrats.

    “They would argue that what they’re doing is making it easier for eligable voters to enrole and to vote. ”

    Exactly, then when rational people point out that by Democrats proposing to make the system weaker with all of those unsound proposals and make the system more prone to fraud and corruption, they call you a racist.

    The Democrat party actually proposes that black people in America are unable to get themselves an I.D.. An I.D. is racist according to the Democrats. The Democrat party is the most disrespectful to the black population in America.

    Watch this, its straight up: https://youtu.be/DCytgANu010

    These are all lily white Liberal Democrats and are fully indoctrinated by their political masters and mouth what they are suppose to mouth. Its ridiculous, but there it is all the same. Its a prime example of how the Democrat party MUST keep the black population in America dependent and MUST characterize them as being to incompetent to live without them.

    And this is exactly why Trump poses the strongest threat to the Democrat party. Trump enriched the black population, Trump has garnered the most votes from the black community than any other Republican president, Trump respects the black population. And that must not be able to be continued and that is why they have had a mighty effort in these several districts to make sure that Trump was removed from another term. That and “The New Green Deal”, the Great Reset, Globalism and the Socialist utopia. Where Democrat rule without opposition.

    You can get this, I am not trying to trick you in any way shape or form here. You may be too moral a person to fully comprehend this, but believe me it is so. Why do you think I spend so much time pointing this stuff out?

  • Jeff Fauva

    Cotour:

    “So transparent, so void of objectivity.”

    Also Cotour:

    “Remember, this is the era of Trump, where all will be revealed. Its his destiny.”

    C’mon now.

  • Jeff Fauva

    Dominion truthers: https://www.factcheck.org/2020/12/audit-in-michigan-county-refutes-dominion-conspiracy-theory/

    As predicted, the ‘forensic report’ is quickly debunked. Dominion will now likely have to defend their machines in the form of defamation suits if they want to survive as a business.

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