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Trump had better do something soon

In Seattle on June 9, 2020 a group of rioters and Antifa and Black Lives Matter radicals took complete control over a seven block wide area of the city, throwing out the police, taking possession of the police station, and declaring the area the Capital Hill Autonomous Zone (CHAZ).

The next day, June 9th, President Donald Trump tweeted the following:

Radical Left Governor @JayInslee and the Mayor of Seattle are being taunted and played at a level that our great Country has never seen before. Take back your city NOW. If you don’t do it, I will. This is not a game. These ugly Anarchists must be stooped (sic) IMMEDIATELY. MOVE FAST!

Not surprisingly the response from the Washington Democratic politicians was contempt and defiance.

Gov. Jay Inslee also fired back at Trump on Twitter, posting, “A man who is totally incapable of governing should stay out of Washington state’s business. ‘Stoop’ tweeting.”

I think their contempt here is justified. Trump, who until the arrival of the Wuhan flu panic this spring had consistently stood up against the bullying and irrational hate of the left, has been played by them badly in the past three months.

First he allowed them to impose lock downs by agreeing to activate the National Guard for the very partisan Democratic governors in New York, California, and Washington so that they could declare an emergency and lock down their states. This action by Trump on March 22, 2020 forced many other governors from both parties to follow suit. The lock downs were a disaster, but Trump was one of the reasons they happened. Had he told these governors right off the bat that this was a terrible idea and he wasn’t going to help them, he might have put some spine in many of the weak Republican governors elsewhere (such as in my state of Arizona), and kept most of the country humming economically while these Democratic states got shut down and went bankrupt.

Trump did not. He went along with their bad policy, and now is paying for it.

Then we have the George Floyd riots of the past two weeks, almost all of which have been concentrated in Democratically controlled strongholds. Repeatedly Trump has blustered that if the Democrats in these cities and states did not take action to stop the looting and violence, he would. And he has the legal right to do this, under the Insurrection Act, a law that has been used repeatedly in the past by Presidents from both parties for exactly the same reasons. (Its most recent use was during the 1992 Rodney King riots.)

And yet, he has done nothing. Instead, when the pedal hit the medal and the left finally decided, after four years of repeated fake political attacks (all of which failed), that outright revolt and violence were now the proper tactics to resist Trump’s presidency, he has looked like a paper tiger. And based on his timid unwillingness to clean house in the FBI and the Justice Department after it has been clearly proven that those agencies have been running a fifth column coup operation against him for four years, this decision of the left appears to make eminent sense. He has done nothing there. Why should he do anything to stop outright revolt?

So far, the left’s judgment of Trump has proven true. After violence and looting, the left has accelerated its efforts at intimidation, blacklisting, and bullying of all conservatives as well as anyone who challenges them. They know he will do nothing, so they push hard, taking advantage of his weakness.

If Trump does not act soon, I expect that the left’s next step will be to sabotage the election process in November so that it will be impossible for him and any Republican to win, even if they get a large majority of the vote. The Democrats have already begun this process with their push to switch entirely to mail-in ballots, an approach that guarantees them an easy way to fake votes in large numbers. If they get this passed (something I do not consider impossible based on the weak stupidity of the Republicans), expect no conservative to win an election for decades, if ever. In fact, say good-bye to our democracy. We shall have made the first concrete step in the path towards Venezuela.

And even if the Democrats don’t get their mail-in ballot initiative passed, if Trump doesn’t do something soon he stands to lose anyway. He won in 2016 because many Americans saw him as an outsider who would clean out the corruption in the nation’s political class. If he falters now, in this most obvious and violent challenge, he will fail in November. Why vote for him when he won’t really defend you, when it really matters?

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  • m d mill

    It may be best for Trump and Republicans/Conservatives to simply say this is the leftist chaos the Seattle and Washington Democrat voters have voted for and gotten… let them deal with it and pay for it at the voting booth.
    It would be a quagmire for republicans to get involved in a lost city and a lost state.
    Even if the state is lost, the country is watching.
    When your enemy is cutting his own throat, don’t stop him, but highlight this as yet another deplorable example of the democratic left and the results of their dogma.

  • Cotour

    Once again, right here on BTB, months ahead in identifying Seattle as a nexus point of Leftist “Progressive” agenda in America.

    Trump is between a rock and a hard place, send in the troops and show leadership and strength to restore law and order and take back the city and people may well die. Martyrs for the cause. Starve them out? Cut power and food? That’s a long slog.

    I heard the governor of Washington state being interviewed the other day and he apparently was unaware of the situation (?).

    These are situations that will make or break both the president and the Leftist movement.

    We still wait.

    Trump is the catalyst and forces everyone to reveal themselves and their agendas.

  • hondo

    Leave Seattle to it’s own devices. I’m enjoying this.

  • Cotour

    Yes, nothing is something.

    It might be wise to allow the Left explain the treason of their associates, yes that may well be the wat to go.

    (Or Seal Team 6?)

  • sippin_bourbon

    Give them enough rope….

  • wayne

    The Man in the High Castle Season 2
    “We Pledge Allegiance…”

  • Phill O

    My heart bleeds for what the anarchists are doing to folks (and country) I love.

    When the FLQ started kidnapping and killing politicians PET invoked the War Measures Act (in Canada) and the FLQ was stopped.

    I have no respect for PET except for this action.

    Yup, President Trump must act.

  • ggm

    I’m starting to think that maybe the best option for us, is to let them have it all. Our civilizational destruction will be quicker that way, and we can rebuild sooner.

  • Vanguard

    No dont give in. What they want is for the President to issue an order to use the US military on US civilians so they can claim a violation of Posse Comitatus (even though thats exactly what Eisenhower did to enforce desegregation in Little Rock Arkansas). This is exactly what these trust-fund anarchists want and this is what the City Government in Seattle and all the marxists in the media and the DNC want and abet. Its not worth a single policeman’s life to give for that ungrateful City. Let them destroy the whole area and photograph and monitor them all. Monitor all the cell phone traffic in and out so the string pullers can be found and see where it all leads. Then cordon off the place off so they can’t get out. Give the innocent a chance to come out. Then turn off the cell towers, block the sewers and tunnels out of there, turn off the power and water and just wait until they start crawling out so they can be arrested and charged in Federal Courts for terrorism or sedition.

  • Nabi Rasch

    Wait for it to happen all down the West coast. Then wait for them to take over CNN physically etc., boot out the Lemon and others. You gotts get them eating each other even harder.

  • Phill O

    Vanguard “photograph and monitor them all. Monitor all the cell phone traffic in and out so the string pullers can be found and see where it all leads.” FISA is no more! This is their first opportunity to act after the death of FISA. These are the people who would sacrifice their fellow Americans for their own power!

    Bill Ayers must be proud!

    I am truly sad!

  • Jay

    You wrote “I heard the governor of Washington state being interviewed the other day and he apparently was unaware of the situation (?).”
    Speaking as a Washingtonian, the east side that is, Inslee is not that bright. You can ask him what his favorite food to eat is and get a response, but if you ask him a hard question or debate him, one of his four or six “handlers” will jump in and speak for him. Whenever he goes out in public his entourage of handlers will follow. Do not expect a serious response out of him alone, unless it is scripted in front of the camera.

    It is funny that the papers around here are not covering these terrorists taking over part of Seattle. Nothing in the Spokesman Review, aka the Socialist Review out of Spokane. The Seattle Slimes makes it out to be a “festival”.

  • You Know I’m Right


    Why would Trump play right into their plan and make himself the enemy by sending in military? This chaos is just showcasing the insanity of their ideology at work. The best part is it’s in their own backyards! There has been two Americas for 12 years now, this is what the left does with their America, the politicians sit back and allow it.. even cheer it on. These people voted for this kind local and state politics .

    Let them wallow in their own abominations and filth, we draw the lines when they bring it to our house.

  • Roger1868

    If President Trump had not allowed lockdowns, do you even realize the communist (democrat) response? For every single death from China flu, it would have been reported in the communist MSM that Trump the Murderer must be immediately removed from office. The communist dems might have even tried to call the National Guard on him ! !

  • Roger1868: Are you really so afraid of the left? I’m not. I strongly think that if Trump acts with courage and with rightness, the screams of our insanely partisan press would be ignored by the population, and Trump would come out way ahead.

    As he has for the first three years of his administration.

  • I am also disturbed by the levels of hate emanating from some the commenters. No decent person wants to see any innocent person suffer, and that is certainly what is happening to the majority of the people who live in this district in Seattle. The radicals who have taken charge I am sure are not even close to a large minority, and seem nothing more to me but bullies taking advantage of the weakness of the local government. By doing nothing we leave the innocents to the wolves.

    I thought Americans were better than that. I also thought that Americans would never allow such evil to be imposed on any other American. Maybe I was wrong.

  • pzatchok

    Just keep asking the Mayor and the Governor why they are not doing anything.

    Put the pressure on them and take it off Trump.

    All Trump has to say is that he would never move troops into there. No matter what. Not even if asked nicely. Then NEVER answer another question about it.

    How do you motivate a child to take care of themselves? You leave them to themselves.

  • pzatchok

    I feel for the people that live in that area.

    But if they want the local government to help them they should get on the TV and start begging for the police to come back and or the state to send in the troops.
    If they ask Trump for help they are just lefty plants helping hoping to trap him.

  • Bitter Clinger

    I think the overall analysis here is dead on. Why doesn’t Trump address the nation? Yes, he is out of his element. Yes, he would be massively criticized as he always is. He could, however, explain why he is doing what he is doing, and let it be known how he plans to deal with it. The worst thing you can do here I’d allow this To continue. If it happens here, it can happen anywhere. People would be justified to tell the President “your fired” come November.

  • drewtho

    Perhaps the POTUS is playing the game of threatening to intervene with force against the rioters, antifa, BLM to draw out rabid criticism from the MSM. Following the anticipated overwhelming response from his detractors and MSM regarding that plan of intervention, the POTUS may wash his hands of the whole situation and leave the leftist Governors and Mayors to it.

  • Whatmeworry?

    This kind of nonsense would not happen in a conservative city/state. Would have never got this far. It takes people with spine to stop it.

  • commodude

    The people of Seattle voted for this nonsense.

    Let the people of Seattle figure their way out of it.

    Regardless of the POTUS’s actions, he’ll be considered wrong, and while my usual is I’d rather be damned for action than inaction, there’s a certain poetry for the people dealing with the ultimate consequences of their voting.

  • wayne

    The Death of Stalin (2017)
    clip: ‘I have documents on all of you”–HXlMZvdl8

  • sippin_bourbon

    There was video of a man being beaten in the zone for grafitti. There are reports (anecdotal) that business in the zone must pay for protection. Residents have to show an ID to enter, and prove they live there.

    It is amazing. The No Border people have a border. The “Refund the Police” people discover protection requires funding. Will they ask for those IDs if they vote for a new warlord? Tune in next time!

  • Whatmeworry?

    What’s the first thing they did?? Appointed themselves as the POLICE. Totalitarian State. Who are you kidding. Just another MOB.

  • candle in a hurricane

    Never interfere with your enemy while they are destroying themselves….

  • Whatmeworry?

    Hypocrisy at it’s finest.

  • Whatmeworry?

    Fascism disguised as liberalism

  • Margot

    An excellent and well-written piece, and kudos to Whatfinger for linking to it. I learned something I didn’t know before:

    “First he allowed them to impose lock downs by agreeing to activate the National Guard for the very partisan Democratic governors in New York, California, and Washington so that they could declare an emergency and lock down their states. This action by Trump on March 22, 2020 forced many other governors from both parties to follow suit. The lock downs were a disaster, but Trump was one of the reasons they happened.”

    I am very grateful for this bit of information. For a while now, some of us who have supported Trump have had the sense that something is terribly wrong, and Tucker Carlson nailed it in his powerful segment on Kushner’s influence. And even then, he was careful to praise Trump’s instincts and give Trump an out, pulling his punches a bit.

    It seems that the US is being looted both from above and below. From above by Mnuchin in league with the Federal Reserve.

    Again, thank you.

  • Whatmeworry?

    As in the past, Trump , (he should have verified) was mislead by Hillary supporters Fauchi and the Scarf Queen, part of the bureaucratic deep state.

  • Ben Colder

    What can Trump do he is dammed if he does and damned if he don’t.I really don’t know what is going to happen something has to be done or we will have given up without a fight.These guys are communists and they think they are going to get away with what they are doing.This whole thing was planned out just waiting for something to happen that they could use as an excuse and they got it when the cop chocked the black guy wonder if that was a put up deal? did someone put the cop up to doing that?This whole thing stinks to high heaven.Trump has to do something all right but what?He goes in some one is going to die and then what ? The dem/communists think they have Trump by the balls this time and maybe they do.

  • Oh Wait

    It’s a good thing that our external enemies can’t see a useful fifth column of idiots.

  • Whatmeworry?

    We all want to trust the system, and thus leads to corruption from un-elected partisans

  • Whatmeworry?

    Their not done yet. They’ve got piles of plans waiting for just the right time. Next crisis.

  • Whatmeworry?

    Dems are out of ammo. So lets just sink the country. Pelosi is 80. She don’t have to live through her actions. Biden is 79, and wont make it either. Old white liberals last gasp.

  • Docin PA

    If Trump told Fauci and the Scarf Queen to pound sand, he would have been crucified. And I don’t even know what to do with CHAZ. Part of me wants to level the place with armor and air strikes. The other wants to lock them all in and let ’em stew in their progressive/anarchist utopia.

  • Left Coast

    Seattle, like Portland has been a loonie bin of the far-left for a long time. Both Mayors have ignored the cancer of Antifa for years as long as the rage was directed against ICE, the Police or the few Sane Citizens that are left in those holes.
    Now they have come after the Host . . . as all cancers do.

    But this is far bigger than just these two cities, I believe there is a network operating in the USA, pallets of bricks and other supplies didn’t mysteriously just appear in these rioting cities. I was well organized & coordinated . . .
    A writer put this little piece together some time back . . . and it makes perfect sense . . . after all these radicals are the last hope of the feckless radical Democrats.

    Paul Sperry who presciently wrote in the New York Post: “Obama has an army of agitators––numbering more than 30,000––who will fight his Republican successor at every turn of his historic presidency…and command them from a bunker less than two miles from the White House.”
    “His OFA Washington HQ is now the nerve center that coordinates 250 offices nationwide,” Sperry continued, “which together with its Chicago-based sister organization, the Community Organizing Institute (COI), are planning to facilitate the “training [of] more than 2 million youths in Alinsky street tactics” and carry out plans “to stage 400 rallies across 42 states to attack Trump and Republicans.”

  • Whatmeworry?

    Exactly. Community organizer in chief

  • D3F1ANT

    It’s very frustrating. On one hand I feel like Trump should let the Leftists figure it out themselves. They made the mess. However, if he’s going to go that route, he needs to stop making empty threats/promises to “do it for them,” and then not following through with action. That’s just weakness.

  • James Street

    Another possible explanation is that President Trump is in control and is working behind the scenes to use the legal system to drain the swamp.

    Expect more unspeakable evil from the Democrats between now and November 3rd.

  • Patrick Underwood


    “Be afraid. Be VERY afraid.”

    Have you not noticed that Leftists are above the law? While those on the Right are subjected to both the letter AND a made-up “penumbra” of the law?

    That Leftists in academia can say what they please, even threaten or incite violence, with no repercussions; while conservatives are hounded from campus for mildly stating their opinions?

    That American social media platforms leave up the most vile pronouncements of, not only American Leftists, but hostile foreign governments; while banning conservatives at a breakneck pace and even “fact-checking” our President?

    That students are taught, from kindergarten through post-doc, that America is an evil, racist country, and that dissent from Leftist ideas is not tolerated?

    The era of free speech and civic discourse is over. We are talking to ourselves. They won’t stop until we are out of options.

  • Craken

    The Seattle Commiestan is a trap set for Trump. If he sends in the troops, the trap is sprung. Troop insertion has no support from local/state authorities and the effort would be sabotaged by said authorities alongside their paramilitary elements. Instead, he can send in undercover FBI/DEA/other-acronyms. The undercover guys collect evidence and prevent any major catastrophe (mass rapes/executions).
    Commiestan is the responsibility of the local and state authorities. Presently they are ignoring/denying it. I wonder if they won’t face federal charges for dereliction of duty–perhaps criminal conspiracy?

  • Agrippa Von Nettesheim

    Quit waiting for them to take care of it. Quit asking why they are not doing anything. The enemy knows that Americans now have spines made of jello and that is why these events are coming to pass. The question is . . . what are WE going to do about it?

    Start now . . . networking with like minded patriots.
    Start now . . . preparing to defend your neighborhood, city, county, state.
    Start now . . . and soon the enemy and the feckless politician will ask what they are going to do, but you will be they.

    If you want to win a game, any game, you have to know the rules. The media and politicians respond positively to those they fear, and debase those they see as weak. That is the rule of the game. We were raised by a set of civilized rules, but the rules changed over the last 30 years. You need to change and play by the same rules if you want to win.

    Do you own your country or do they? If you own your country then you need to show them that you do. If you cant or wont do that then bow your head and get ready to walk into the oven.

    Look at your house, car, and investments. Do you have too much to lose? The enemy is made up by people who have very little and therefore nothing to lose. The trick is that if you do nothing you’ve lost all you have anyway, so you really have nothing to lose either. Do not let your possessions or status freeze you into inaction.

    Your achievements ought to be the drive behind your action. The enemy has nothing to lose, but they have nothing to defend either. Be afraid. The fear is good because you will grow tired of fear and that will turn to anger. When enough decent Americans get angry enough then they will be ready to ask the question:

    What are WE going to do about this.

  • Cotour

    Know the game, play the game, win the game, well said Agrippa.

  • Cotour

    Some words of wisdom on CHAZ from Ron Paul:

    ANTIFA chooses high walls, high powered weapons and violence to enforce the particular flavor of freedom. Sounds like a true Socialist nirvana, exactly what they say they are tired of in America they in fact have already become. And they apparently have their own warlord who “owns” it all. Rubes.

  • James M Yerian

    It is almost too late for Trump to do something now that won’t be intimidated as a last ditch effort to save face.

    I don’t know who is giving him advice (Kushner? Rove?) but he will lose 2020 unless he turns it around right now.

    The people won’t blame leftists, they’ll blame Trump. And they won’t vote for anyone , which is a vote for Dems.

    Very disappointed in Trump this year.

  • wayne

    The Death of Stalin –
    “Beria Trial and Execution”

  • Edward

    This is the second police station that the rioters took from the police. They chased the police from one in Minneapolis, too.

    Heck, it the police cannot protect themselves from the bad guys, what hope do the rest of us have? Calling the police clearly does no good. In the USA, government is failing in its very first, most basic purpose.

    For the past three months we have been wondering when the right would revolt against Obama’s America and take back our country. The reality is that the left is now revolting against what little is left of Washington’s and Lincoln’s America. It is even taking over real territory and declaring independence.

    Robert wrote: “First he allowed them to impose lock downs by agreeing to activate the National Guard for the very partisan Democratic governors in New York, California, and Washington so that they could declare an emergency and lock down their states.

    Why do I keep being surprised that so many people are surprised that life-long Democrat Trump governs like a pre-Obama Democrat?

    m d mill wrote: “When your enemy is cutting his own throat, don’t stop him, but highlight this as yet another deplorable example of the democratic left and the results of their dogma.

    I keep hearing variations of this, such as, ‘vote-in the Democrat so that everyone can see how terrible they are.’ This has never worked, even under the worst Democrat: Obama. Too many people still adore him and his evil policies. When we don’t stop evil, we get stuck with evil.

    We gave them plenty of rope in Detroit, in 1960, when they declared that formerly Republican city to be their own Democrat model city. They turned it from a once glorious city to a crap-hole with half its 1960 population, even as the rest of the country’s population doubled. Yet the Democratic Party continues to exist and still is strong, with too many people thinking that they can run cities. Even with such blatant examples, too few people learn that the Democratic Party or their socialist policies are terrible.

    ggm wrote: “maybe the best option for us, is to let them have it all. Our civilizational destruction will be quicker that way, and we can rebuild sooner.

    Rebuild sooner? If our civilization is destroyed, just how long would it take to get to the point where we could rebuild? Surely our destruction would result in socialism, because the socialists who are actively tearing us down have a plan in place to take over once they complete the destruction. The Soviet Union took seven decades to implode, and it still hasn’t rebuilt. Meanwhile, tens of millions die and hundreds of millions suffer badly under socialist rule.

    To paraphrase: shall we nobly save, or meanly lose, the last best hope of earth? If we lose this then it will be far too long before anyone gets another chance.

    I would rather see the U.S. save itself from such tyranny than become yet another example of how socialism never works no matter where it is tried or who tries it.

    Trump needs to show the Republicans, once again, how to defeat the Democrats’s plans. He has done well when the Democrats attacked him personally, but he is doing poorly now that they have attacked the country.

  • Cotour

    What is the long term outcome for CHAZ?

    Just let them sit there formulating and running their “New” country within the city of Seattle, where does anyone really think its going? These are silly children with high powered weapons and a Lord Of The Flies future .

    And who will be paying the price eventually? The Democrats, their associates and allies at election time.

    I think its great.

    The Leftists are dooming the Democrats as they make their moves to liberate who ever it is that they think they are liberating. They will serve a great service to the country. Where does anyone really think this is going?

  • Jay

    Two weeks from now on the local television news- “On the lighter side, CHAZ has annexed the Space Needle and Pike Street Market…”

    One month from now a “No Fly Zone”?

    There was video on Youtube called “Seattle is Dying” made last year. The way the mayor is acting, I think it is now officially dead.

  • Phill O

    My guess is that Obama is back to community organizing!

  • wodun

    Trump has limited options unless federal laws are being broken. What is he supposed to do specifically?

    Our society relies in large part on the populace being honest and good natured. Unfortunately, we have a large segment of the population that uses our freedoms to subvert our society in an effort to tear it down and replace it with some sort of progressive marxist totalitarian dictatorship. It is especially tricky thing to deal with as our freedoms allow this to happen and at the same time, the progressive marxists wont/don’t allow those freedoms to exist when they have power.

    “Something” needs done but what exactly?

  • wodun: I welcome all comments, but I really really wish people would read what I write before commenting. I clearly outline the exact law that gives Trump the legal power to intercede. Moreover, it has been used by presidents several times before in exactly these circumstances, the most recent of which were the riots in California following the Rodney King incident.

  • pzatchok

    The city is helping them.

    Watch the video from CHAZ.

    Road department barriers are up and getting more numerous.
    Porta-potties are being installed everyplace.
    The city is planning on keeping garbage service running.

    And now NGO’s are moving in to help out.

    They are surviving on handouts from rich people. Food delivered and dropped off in piles. Free to take.

    They are so stupid they are trying to start a community garden.
    They dumped some bags of potting soil on the ground in a field and put a few Dixie cupped vegetable plants in it along with a bunch of dope plants.

    The next Slab city

  • wayne

    speaking of Detroit….

    “Six Days in July — Coverage of the 1967 Detroit riots”
    WWJ News
    (this is fairly good, if only from an historic standpoint.)

    Guess who was the Governor during all this?
    Contrast the coverage, with today.

  • Cotour

    All is being revealed.

    Just another arrow in the quiver.

    Eventually they will become violent, we just have to look out for a false flag type event that would dilute the value of their Marxist activities in the eyes of the general public. They will claim false flag any way when the violence comes.

    Really, what is the future of CHAZ? Where are they going? Who is going to do business with them on a long term basis? Will they be assigned a seat at the U.N.? Who are they in negotiations with and what exactly are they asking for?

    After the election it will all be cleaned up, if it lasts that long.

    I have come to the conclusion that the Seattle radicals are doing a great service in revealing just how bankrupt a segment of the Democrat party actually is, and the Democrat leadership is tied to them whether they like it or not. I love it.

    Just allow it to stew.

  • Cotour

    And here is how the both sides of the media is reporting the CHAZ, interesting. This is the “Progressive” movement in America, and the term “Progressive” is without doubt tagged to the Democrat party. Own it Democrats, this is all about you.

    Here is Chris Cuomo interviewing the mayor of Seattle.

    The mayor explains that CHAZ is basically a street fair / street festival, looks like a bunch of new age hippies to me. She takes the softest way of interpreting it, Just people milling around, for the moment. In time like in all good emerging country’s founding there must be a leader designated and I think in this case his name is Raz. And there at some point must be established the rules of law and order, and that will entail conflict between ideals, and that is where the violence will come from.

    And again, I warn against a false flag / agent provocateur event that will be designed to set it all off if it is not happening fast enough for the real powers that be. Sorry, that is just where things like this go. The idealism of a bunch of new age hippies smoking dope on the street does not insulate them from some of the realities of real power and control. But if it is done in a sloppy manner and is plainly revealed it will have a very negative effect. So the violence that may well come from this situation is best to come as a true and natural expression of the chaos that it was germinated from.

    Its walls, controlling borders, guns and power. I wonder what healthcare system they will be going with? In the end, after all of this protesting, looting and violence dies down there may well be some reforms arrived at related to policing methods, but where CHAZ goes in the long term is a hot mess from my point of view.

  • pzatchok

    It looks like two leaders are emerging from the rabble.
    City councilman ,Kshama Sawant, and internet rapper, Raz Simone.

    Lets watch and see which one takes full control and becomes the new warlord of Seattle.

  • wayne

    “Lord of the Flies”
    1963 William Golding
    Directed by Peter Brook.

    “…..a large group of English schoolboys, stranded on an desert island in the South Pacific after their aeroplane crashes….”

    What, could possibly go wrong?

  • wayne

    “The Second Coming”
    W B Yeats (read by Tom O’Bedlam)

    “The best lack all conviction, while the worst
    Are full of passionate intensity…”

  • F16 Guy

    The Left has been attacking Trump for 3 1/2 years, and each attach has been defended successfully by him and his team.

    Why does anyone believe he will not be successful one more time?

    The results of the November election are already clear. Trump will handle this liberal “crisis” just like he has been doing, and will easily win re-election.
    Have faith!

  • Cotour

    All potentials exist, but I agree with F16 guy.

    All is being revealed.

    And the Left is already preparing for during and after the election to continue their reign of chaos and confusion. Why? because its all they have got.

    Why is the American social experiment different than the Roman empire? One answer, the proscribed method of the transfer of power, the Constitution. No tribal warfare, no test of allegiance for military factions, just an orderly proscribed transfer of power.

    But the Left must throw their monkey wrenches in where ever they can. By any means necessary, and I mean by ANY MEANS. And we have all been witness to their desperation in real time and right before our very eyes.

  • Agrippa Von Nettesheim

    Have you seen all those shipping containers on trains and the back of Semi trucks that say China Shipping? What would you wager that none of them have ever contained weapons on their way to a cache?

    That was 24 years ago. How many times have they been successful?
    Will you be surprised when some of these Maoist revolutionaries turn up with R.P.G.s, hand grenades, and fully automatic AK-47s?
    How many “refugees” from unstable countries are here that know how to make car bombs and I.E.D.s ? Do you think the “Death to America” crows would be willing to help our homegrown communists?

    Do drug cartels smuggle weapons into our nation as well as weapons? Do they help smuggle in violent enemies as well?

    These links are not anecdotal. There are many more.

    To win a battle you must prepare the ground before you engage the enemy. Do you think our enemies have spent the last 30 years preparing?

    Have you been preparing or just hoping that “they” will protect you?
    You can legally buy a rifle, shotgun, or a pistol. What can you buy illegally from your local drug dealer/ gang?

    Things are further gone than you think people.


    You mentioned Seal Team Six, Cotour? The man who created it has something to say that is pertinent to this discussion:

    I will not be afraid to take action, because I know that almost any action is better than inaction. And I know that sometimes not acting is the boldest action of all … Richard Marcinko.

  • m d mill

    For the record… Edwards statement here [” I keep hearing variations of this, such as, ‘vote-in the Democrat so that everyone can see how terrible they are.’ This has never worked, even under the worst Democrat: Obama. ” ] is the exact OPPOSITE of what he WAS saying several years ago after Trump was elected.

    Edward’s response then seemed to be that we conservatives should LITERALLY vote for ,and return to power the likes of Obama, Holder, Pelosi, Schumer, Clinton, and Warren…ie

    [Edwards comment then]
    “Well it was far, far better the last time that the Democrats owned both houses and the presidency than it is now with the Republicans in all three positions…If we vote for Democrats in November, we have a greater chance of a slowdown in the shift to the left…”.

    Edward, you must admit, that is one hell of a flip flop.

    And for the record I am NOT implying to vote for a liberal leftist in November, but use this as a teaching tool for the rest of the middle of the road voters out there in November, which may be a much more effective tactic than the most forceful (and violent?) Federal response in this case right now.

    To RZ: If you think some kind of Federal troop invasion of down town Seattle is the best possible response by Trump right now, you can make that case, but I and many others very much disagree… right now. But I hope it is not thought (nor is it fair to say) this opinion emanates from a “hatred” of the innocent people involved.

  • Cotour

    I have rethought that bracketed ST6 suggestion.

    My thinking from the very beginning of this entire Trump as president episode in American history has been that Trump is the American Constitutional catalyst that forces the Left and the Democrat leadership to reveal themselves to the American people for what they are, anti and un American Liberal and Leftist Democrat operators within. They are no longer able to hide and continue their lies and subversions with Trump as president. Trump forces their hand and makes everyone see behind the curtain that they have been hiding behind for decades doing their duplicitous and what turn out to be subversive activities.

    And I believe that these Seattle “Progressive” radical street knuckle heads that have taken over a segment of the city and have designated it as a new country of sorts should be left to their own devices. The Democrats are tagged with them and will tap dance and hem and haw in trying to justify it all. The Democrats are stuck to them like fly paper, that’s good.

    And after I wrote that ST6 comment I thought further and understood that these individuals, these “progressive” street radicals are for what ever reason unhappy American citizens and I think that they believe that they are within their rights to redress the government and even push revolution. I do not believe that to be a reasonable position, but I have to believe that they truly believe their position is valid and so are essentially at war with the current government. To replace it with what exactly I do not know and I am certain that none of them know either. Its so stupid, not thought thorough. Taking over territory sounds like a big deal and a good idea, but its strategically a liability. The people of America who love their country, go to work every day and pay their taxes to give the children a better and safe life DO NOT LIKE THIS.

    That being said I thought that the ST6 comment was a bit over the top in my suggesting that the government send in elite troops within the borders of our country to retake and possibly kill, who, like them or not, are American citizens. This is a governor / mayor / police and national guard issue to be talked through and dealt with if they will not relinquish what they have taken control of.

    (And I would have to assume that any type of justified, competent military action, specifically ST6 would have this situation sewn up in short order. But the potential for many to be injured or killed has a high probability. And no one really wants that. Its not a great idea to be the cause of them to be focused on and strategically studying and looking for you.)

    So for the moment, as long as these street thugs are not doing any shooting, I choose to see these dopey idealistic Marxist “Revolutionary” knuckle heads in Seattle as dangerous domestic trouble makers. More wanna be terrorists who are to be dealt with in a firm manner, but allow them to hang themselves with their own actions. To further reveal the Left and the Democrats that are tied up with them, they are going to serve a useful function.

    What in hell are they going to really accomplish here? I can not see that they have a rational exit plan here to move to the next step. What is their next step? Where is their next level? There is none, they are driving on a dead end road. And they are approaching its end quickly. Bad move IMO.

    It sounds good to a bunch of dope smoking radicals, but its stupid.

  • DJN

    Just returned to Seattle today from AZ. Seattle has voted 100% Radical Democrat. Thanks to 100% mail in voting and jungle primary. Let it collapse. Things won’t change until the citizenry wakes up. Anything Trump does will harden the will of Seattle to be blind.

  • Cotour

    “Cops struggle to find out who is in charge”, at CHAZ.

    They confuse themselves still, why is that?

    Because THEY are in fact in charge! (Or are suppose to be in charge anyway)

    The politically correct “Progressive” Left and their millennial adherents are so childish and one dimensional. This is a movement of import to them, unfortunately its more like a bowel movement in reality.

  • pzatchok

    This is just community disorganization.

    They have no idea what to do from here on out, but then again they don’t care. They just want to be outside smoking dope and living without a care or worry.

  • Cotour

    When petulant self righteous dope smoking children are left to their own devices and their own reality eventually they are going to need some direction, structure and discipline by an authority figure. Eventually, just allow it to simmer for the moment.

    All is being revealed.

    ( I think its great, the internal chaos will emerge in time, and I assure you that a vast majority of American tax paying law abiding citizens do not like what they are seeing and will be disgusted and will take the necessary steps in the coming elections. Leftist media political polls aside)

  • wayne

    “Property and the Social Order”
    Hans-Hermann Hoppe 2011

    [‘chaz’ ….they will need to be physically-removed, so to speak]

  • Edward

    m d mill,
    You wrote: “[Edwards comment then]
    ‘Well it was far, far better the last time that the Democrats owned both houses and the presidency than it is now with the Republicans in all three positions…If we vote for Democrats in November, we have a greater chance of a slowdown in the shift to the left…’

    Thank you iso very much for including the link so that I could verify your statement and check the context. This does not look like it was from a few months after Trump was elected.

    However, from what little you included, it looks as though I was not suggesting that everyone would learn what a terrible place America is under Democratic tyranny but that we are destined for such tyranny no matter which party is in power. Most likely it is some form of sarcasm that plays off the rapid move to the left that the Republican Party has been making for the past decade or two. By the way, the Republicans are still farther to the left than the Democrats were under Bill Clinton.

    With Trump, tyranny is exactly where we are headed anyway, so I guess voting for lifelong Democrat Trump turned out to be the same as voting Democrat after all. I’m so glad to be getting the America that Democrats and Republicans deserve.

    And for the record …

    This is why I include direct quotes of what I comment upon, everyone can see what was written and know the context of my comment. My example was not the same as you said, and my comment was not that you said what you think I said but that examples have not worked in the past and we should not expect them to suddenly or miraculously work now.

    DJN wrote: “Seattle has voted 100% Radical Democrat. Thanks to 100% mail in voting and jungle primary. Let it collapse. Things won’t change until the citizenry wakes up.

    Thanks to 100% mail-in voting, things will not change after the citizenry wakes up, either. That is the purpose of mail-in voting, the ability to tamper with the results in difficult to detect ways, and since our elections are not severely monitored, detection of subtle election fraud does not happen. There was even a county, a few years ago, that certified the results of a precinct despite more people having voted than were registered. California gives the Democrats a whole week in order to learn how many votes they need — and to insert them — in order to get the results they desire.

  • Andrew M Winter

    So, being a Trump Fan I understand the frustration here. Problem POTUS in general is severely limited in what it can do within the Sovereign Boundaries of any of the Various States. He has only two real options:

    Declare a nation wide Martial Law, which would allow the use of Federal military. Do you really want that headache for Seven blocks of freaking Seattle?. Or he can Federalize the Militia in Washington State to do the job.

    Problem: According to 10 USC part 246 there are TWO classes of Militia:
    (a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
    (b) The classes of the militia are—
    (1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
    (2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.

    Now the Insurrection Act,
    That Trump could use predates 10 USC part 246, sooooo which Militia will Trump call up and Federalize?

    And,… if the people of the State of Washington decline? In that case POTUS has ZERO authority to do squat except declare Martial Law. That would be a great way to start a Civil War, wow that outta be fun, but not a good way to resolve Seattle’s problems.

    I say let Seattle burn. It’s just another Liberal Stronghold self destructing. They have the government they voted for. They can reap the whirlwind of stupid that they have called down. I wouldn’t want the Feds to spend one thin dime of my tax money on those reprobates. They are self destructive. They will self destruct. They are crammed into a small space with no medical facilities at all and no infrastructure. They are doomed to die a slow and agonized death by their own hands. Why stop them. Let it play out.

    Let it all serve the rest of us as an example of the price of Stupidity. As I once read “Stupidity is the last universal capital offense.” Let Mother Nature pass sentence and execute judgement.

  • wayne

    Andrew M Winter–
    With all due respect, cuz’ I don’t necessarily disagree with the spirit of your comment, and I don’t really want to debate this in any depth, other than to say—

    The President has all the authority and precedent to do any number of actions in this instance, to *ensure the Laws of the United States are upheld.*

    ( Eisenhower, the 101st Airborne Division, and Little Rock, Arkansas comes to mind.)

  • Cotour

    Just let it sit and stew, allow the leftists of Seattle and the Democrats who they are tagged to enjoy how they are being portrayed to the rest of the American public.

    All is being revealed and Trump is the catalyst that forces it.

  • Cotour

    Dealing with petulant undisciplined children in Seattle:

    A “Protester” steals an AR from a burning cop car and it is taken away from him by someone who knows what they are doing.

    All is being revealed.

  • m d mill

    I have trouble even understanding your excuses.
    I don’t have the link (only because i cannot search this entire site practically, i wish i could, only RZ could easily do so), but i do have the quote correctly recorded, and it is extraordinarily clear.
    The date must have been between Trumps election and the midterms.
    It is amazing that you cannot simply admit a flip flop, we are all human…
    But for the record once again,

    Edwards statement here [” I keep hearing variations of this, such as, ‘vote-in the Democrat so that everyone can see how terrible they are.’ This has never worked, even under the worst Democrat: Obama. ” ] is the exact OPPOSITE of what he WAS saying several years ago after Trump was elected.

    Edward’s response then seemed to be that we conservatives should LITERALLY vote for ,and return to power the likes of Obama, Holder, Pelosi, Schumer, Clinton, and Warren…ie

    [Edwards comment then]
    “Well it was far, far better the last time that the Democrats owned both houses and the presidency than it is now with the Republicans in all three positions…If we vote for Democrats in November, we have a greater chance of a slowdown in the shift to the left…”.

    Edward, you must NEVER admit, that is one hell of a flip flop, and I don’t expect you to.
    Certainly, the quotes speak for themselves clearly to any fair minded reader.
    But, if i am in error on the accuracy of any quote above, I will apologize effusively.

  • Edward

    m d mill,
    You wrote: “I have trouble even understanding your excuses.

    I am not surprised, since you don’t understand the comment that you failed to link to, but then you are only human.

    Edward’s response then seemed to be …

    But it wasn’t my response. You have drawn conclusions that you desire (in science, this is known as confirmation bias), not conclusions based upon what you have quoted. You have conflated two different concepts.

    I do not use ellipses in the way you used in the quote, so I am trusting that you have been honest about what you eliminated from it.

    You seem to have saved a quote and have been eager to throw it back at me at some point, but you failed to understand the quote or you are just so desperate to use it that you do not care that it does not properly apply to your argument. Repeating your flawed argument does not make it any more correct.

  • Edward

    Oh, I forgot to comment that CHAZ has turned into the fastest failed socialist state that I have ever heard of. However, they have reorganized (think chapter 11 bankruptcy), in which they have changed their name and ceded back 1/2 of their territory to Seattle in exchange for some form of governance assistance. The city of Seattle is now assisting in the secession of part of itself.

    Leave it to Democrats to be the ones in favor of seceding from the Union. It is like the action by the Democrat-led southern states leading to the (un)Civil War or the Democrat-led petition in California, a couple of years ago, for that state to secede from the Union.

    So much for the Democratic Party being the party of unity.

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