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Clinton and aides ignored law requiring ethics training

The law is such an inconvenient thing: Newly released State Department records now show that Clinton and most of her top aids never took ethics training courses as mandated by law.

Hey, who cares about a silly law? We’re liberals, we’re smart, we’re good, and we will rule!

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  • Cotour

    That did not apply to them.

  • PeterF

    You better believe they keep records of who completes training and when. The instructors get paid by how many people they have trained in person and the on-line version (usually a fifteen minute laughable joke) creates an automatic record of completion or partial completion and who logged on to take the training.

    No record means they didn’t take it unless they can prove they did. Besides, Ethics training might have made them feel bad about themselves.

  • Strathog

    Not only did they not take the initial Ethics training, they didn’t take the required yearly refresher. But the real story is that they did not take the Top Secret/Special Compartmentalized Information training nor did they partake of the Classification Guide Reviews. And considering that State was the owner/source of a lot of highly classified information, they needed to take the Classification Authority training and awareness. What she and her team did was beyond the pale. What Comey did at FBI was beyond belief.

  • ken anthony

    The question is does the mandate include any punishment for non compliance? If not, it’s close to meaningless.

  • Cotour

    U.S. Code Title 18, Section 2017

    “(a) Whoever willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, or destroys, or attempts to do so, or, with intent to do so takes and carries away any record, proceeding, map, book, paper, document, or other thing, filed or deposited with any clerk or officer of any court of the United States, or in any public office, or with any judicial or public officer of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

    (b) Whoever, having the custody of any such record, proceeding, map, book, document, paper, or other thing, willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, falsifies, or destroys the same, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both; and shall forfeit his office and be disqualified from holding any office under the United States. As used in this subsection, the term “office” does not include the office held by any person as a retired officer of the Armed Forces of the United States.”

    Law for these people is over, they exist in a permanently “excused” condition, we are captive.

  • Strathog- ken anthony- Cotour-
    They (all the people on the previously published list) were not authorized to receive ANY classified information until they received the initial training. Anyone who released classified information to these people is guilty of a crime.
    Anyone who released TS/SCI “code word” information to someone who has not been “introduced”, or anyone who received such information can and WILL be prosecuted.
    The investigation of the compromise has already been accomplished. Recommended mitigation actions are being implemented. Lower tier personnel who were involved in this fiasco can now look forward to a career leading to the maximum of “fry cook supervisor”.
    Clinton and her cronies couldn’t care less because they are above the law.

  • Edward

    ken anthony wrote: “The question is does the mandate include any punishment for non compliance? If not, it’s close to meaningless.”

    The punishment is no access to classified material. That they continued to have access shows that the system broke down in a most horrendous way. What happened is EXACTLY why the compliance training is mandatory.

    PeterF is correct. That no one is facing criminal charges shows that this administration, right down to the DOJ and the FBI, puts little store in the laws or security of the nation. So much for justice.

    Well said.

  • Cotour

    Today’s email: How much, and for what?

    Absolutely unreconcilable in its scope, reach, ambition and impudence into the heart of the potential power of the potential future president of the United States. On one hand a brilliant scam that none would dare question, on the other hand something that has never been seen in its scale and ambition before in American politics. The people of America must never, ever empower this woman and her husband again.

    And I do not care one bit for anyone who justifies supporting them. Trump, anyone other than either of these two Clinton’s is preferable as president. Anyone who is thinking that they are acceptable has left logic and the interests of the country and our Constitution behind long, long ago. A shameful and faulty thought process driven and reinforced by our self interested media.

    “The kingdom of Saudi Arabia donated more than $10 million. Through a foundation, so did the son-in-law of a former Ukrainian president whose government was widely criticized for corruption and the murder of journalists. A Lebanese-Nigerian developer with vast business interests contributed as much as $5 million.

  • Edward


    All you see is the corruption of the Clintons. Your myopic view misses the big picture, which goes far beyond their from of corruption to the loss of liberty in America. In your desperation to vote for the loser, Trump, you miss that your vote is a vote in favor of not only corruption (of another kind) but tyranny. Even if Trump wins, all you will get is a different form of corruption.

    Yes, Cotour, you are about to get the government that you deserve. Unfortunately, you drag the rest of us with you into the abyss of corruption and tyranny.

  • Cotour

    I just replied to a lawyer friend of mine who seems to agree with you Edward. I think the reply also applies to you, enjoy.

    Sorry, your position is too pessimistic and unsupportable.

    The crooks are the one’s selling their influence, not the ones attempting to buy their influence. Any politician that decides to consciously surrender and abandon their sworn fiduciary responsibilities for some kind of compensation, that is the criminal act. Hillary has demonstrated that she has and will do exactly that. She is already guilty because she has been empowered by the people and the evidence exists that firmly establishes that as a FACT.

    Trump on the other hand has never been empowered by the people, that is the primary difference between the two. Trump has great potential even with all of the pressure that will be exerted upon him. Hillary is already a proven criminal. The choice is actually very simple, and it is not Hillary.

    The last remaining power of the people is the definitive election win, even with all of the cheating that will go on. If not, then can you explain the BREXIT vote? The numbers at some point will tell the tale. That’s why the numbers must be crushing and their can be no doubt. The electorial votes may be another thing though, just like the primaries that’s where their will be treachery and that is where your lawyer brain serves its greatest purpose, stopping the fraud that will certainly go on there.

    Again, when looking at this first use your human brain, not your lawyer brain. Do I have to keep reminding you or are you that far gone? :)

    Do you have a lawyer brain Edward? If you do, and it does appear that way, my condolences.

  • pzatchok

    Always remember the phrase “Plausible deniability”.

    If no one took the ethics or security classes they could always claim they just didn’t know and then ask the public for forgiveness.

    And the public has proven they are gullible beyond all belief.

  • Cotour

    While I fully appreciate the term “Plausible deniability” I do not believe anyone who even cares just a little bit will be giving these particular very well versed politicos a pass on this particular issue. Lawyer / legal BS is BS, you know it when you see it.

  • Cotour

    The public understands these BS narratives also.

    1. Attempting to tag Colin Powell with email scandel:

    2. Huma Weiner revealed as a Muslim Brotherhood mole:

    3. Clinton foundation admits that their accepting “contributions” from entities that had business before the State Department:

    These truths will only get worse and worse for Hillary as Trump rises in his political communication learning curve and properly connects in a personal / human way to more and more of the public. Again, Hillary has demonstrated that she (and her husband) is involved in fraudulent criminal activities to the tune of BILLIONS OF DOLLARS at the expense of the American people and their interests.

    Trump only has positive potential because he has only been a successful business person and has never been an empowered politician. That’s how simple this is going to get.

  • Edward

    Cotour asked: “Do you have a lawyer brain Edward?”

    No. I have an engineer’s brain. Trial lawyers use emotion to get their way, which is why politicians tend to be lawyers. Not only do they know the law — and how to get around it — but they know how to play to the voters’ emotions.

    Engineers use logic, data, and facts. That turns out to be a disadvantage when dealing with people who insist upon voting for the tyrant who will corruptly pass out free stuff to cronies, such as those who vote for them or donate to their campaigns.

    Cotour, have you donated to Trump’s campaign, yet? He needs donations in order for his campaign to repay the loans that he made to it.

    Cotour wrote: “Trump on the other hand has never been empowered by the people”

    Although this is true, it ignores the rest of the truth. Trump has been empowered by the *politicians* whose campaigns to which he has donated. He has admitted to being a crony — playing the system — this is the system that he knows, and he knows no other system of government. He is corrupt, as is Clinton, and once he is president (as if he wanted to be elected), then *he* will have the opportunity to pass out favors to his own cronies.

    wayne has, on occasion, offered the difference between the older generations and the current generation: (2 minutes)

    Cotour asked: “If not, then can you explain the BREXIT vote?”

    BREXIT had two sides. One side won over the other. The 2016 US presidential election has only one side: the liberal Democrat v. the liberal Democrat. (There are more sides, but only if you are willing to accept that there are other candidates running for president.)

    Cotour wrote: “These truths will only get worse and worse for Hillary as Trump rises in his political communication learning curve”

    Trump has been at this for 14 months. He has less than three months left to finish this learning curve AND implement the lessons. If he doesn’t have this curve learned already, then he is a terrible candidate. He should have had this down well before the first primary election. That he is such a slow learner suggests that he will be a terrible president (as if he wanted to be elected), as it will take him well over a year to get the hang of the new job — if he ever does.

    Cotour wrote: “Trump only has positive potential because he has only been a successful business person and has never been an empowered politician. That’s how simple this is going to get.”

    Yes, it *is* simple. Every time a non-politician ends up as an executive (governor), he discovers just how difficult it is to deal with the legislature and how judgmental the Supreme Court (of the state) can be. Even experienced governors, once elected to president, have had trouble handling Congress. Carter, Clinton, and George W. Bush had to make compromises that wildly changed legislation that they proposed or were forced into signing disagreeable bills that Congress came up with — even Congresses run by the presidents’ own party. Even Senators who were intimately familiar with Congress have had difficulty; Obama being a good example with how long it took to finesse, cheat, and lie his signature Obamacare through Congress. This is why US voters have never elected a businessman to be president, without some previous government experience. This is why so many people think that Trump will never get the wall built; the wall that is the reason why Cotour favored Trump over actual conservatives during the primaries.

    As a successful businessman — only four bankruptcies to his name, apparently Cotour believes that is fewer than most successful businessmen — he has nothing but potential, since there is nothing to his name that indicates political success (and much to indicate a lack of business acumen, unless you consider bankruptcy as a way to screw the investors as business acumen) — except for his success from being a crony and bribing politicians. Well, I guess that means that when he is president (as if he wanted to be elected), he will make plenty of deals with the taxpayer’s money. I wonder how much *that* will cost us.

    Actually, it sounds a lot like Obama and Solyndra all over again. But, Cotour will rest assured that Trump’s form of tyranny and corruption is better than Clinton’s form of tyranny — although it is much, much worse than the liberty we might have received from any other of the conservatives that Cotour refused to support during the primary, leaving us with only two liberal Democrats from which to choose (at least in Cotour’s mind, as he continues to refuse to consider that there are other candidates — conservative candidates — running for president).

    Yes, that’s how simple this is, to Cotour. Narrow the choice down to the two tyrannical liberal Democrats, then choose the one who is still learning how to be corrupt as a politician.

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