Conservatives “violently threatened” at Lutheran college
Fascists: A survey of conservative students at St. Olaf College in Minnesota has found that many have been “violently threatened” because of their political beliefs, with most finding they do not have the ability to express their beliefs in public on campus.
On the night of the election, a student in the Pause threatened to beat up [College Republicans President Emily] Schaller, calling her a “f***ing moron.” Over the next couple of days, she overheard multiple students threaten to hurt the next conservative or Republican they saw. Vice President of St. Olaf College Republicans Kathryn Hinderaker ’19 had a similar experience.
“I think one of the hardest things was, the second day, I went into Buntrock and someone yelled from the bottom, ‘if you voted for Trump, you better be f***ing scared.’ Everyone clapped and applauded,” Hinderaker said. “Obviously, it didn’t feel super safe.”
This story is only a sample, but it illustrates the fascist and totalitarian culture of the left. I just wish that these conservatives had more courage. Had I been a student in that class where everyone applauded the idea of intimidating Trump voters I would have stood up and said, “Come on, show me how much you stand for liberty and freedom of speech and try and shut me up!”
The only proper response to a bully is to get in their face and tell them they are one. That always stops them in their tracks. Backing down to them in turn only emboldens them, and it certainly doesn’t make you safer.
On Christmas Eve 1968 three Americans became the first humans to visit another world. What they did to celebrate was unexpected and profound, and will be remembered throughout all human history. Genesis: the Story of Apollo 8, Robert Zimmerman's classic history of humanity's first journey to another world, tells that story, and it is now available as both an ebook and an audiobook, both with a foreword by Valerie Anders and a new introduction by Robert Zimmerman.
The ebook is available everywhere for $5.99 (before discount) at amazon, or direct from my ebook publisher, ebookit. If you buy it from ebookit you don't support the big tech companies and the author gets a bigger cut much sooner.
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"Not simply about one mission, [Genesis] is also the history of America's quest for the moon... Zimmerman has done a masterful job of tying disparate events together into a solid account of one of America's greatest human triumphs."--San Antonio Express-News
Fascists: A survey of conservative students at St. Olaf College in Minnesota has found that many have been “violently threatened” because of their political beliefs, with most finding they do not have the ability to express their beliefs in public on campus.
On the night of the election, a student in the Pause threatened to beat up [College Republicans President Emily] Schaller, calling her a “f***ing moron.” Over the next couple of days, she overheard multiple students threaten to hurt the next conservative or Republican they saw. Vice President of St. Olaf College Republicans Kathryn Hinderaker ’19 had a similar experience.
“I think one of the hardest things was, the second day, I went into Buntrock and someone yelled from the bottom, ‘if you voted for Trump, you better be f***ing scared.’ Everyone clapped and applauded,” Hinderaker said. “Obviously, it didn’t feel super safe.”
This story is only a sample, but it illustrates the fascist and totalitarian culture of the left. I just wish that these conservatives had more courage. Had I been a student in that class where everyone applauded the idea of intimidating Trump voters I would have stood up and said, “Come on, show me how much you stand for liberty and freedom of speech and try and shut me up!”
The only proper response to a bully is to get in their face and tell them they are one. That always stops them in their tracks. Backing down to them in turn only emboldens them, and it certainly doesn’t make you safer.
On Christmas Eve 1968 three Americans became the first humans to visit another world. What they did to celebrate was unexpected and profound, and will be remembered throughout all human history. Genesis: the Story of Apollo 8, Robert Zimmerman's classic history of humanity's first journey to another world, tells that story, and it is now available as both an ebook and an audiobook, both with a foreword by Valerie Anders and a new introduction by Robert Zimmerman.
The ebook is available everywhere for $5.99 (before discount) at amazon, or direct from my ebook publisher, ebookit. If you buy it from ebookit you don't support the big tech companies and the author gets a bigger cut much sooner.
The audiobook is also available at all these vendors, and is also free with a 30-day trial membership to Audible.
"Not simply about one mission, [Genesis] is also the history of America's quest for the moon... Zimmerman has done a masterful job of tying disparate events together into a solid account of one of America's greatest human triumphs."--San Antonio Express-News
The Sheepole cry out for a leader. Until they see an example of a really big bad wolf going for the rest of their unholy life to prison, why would they possibly think there is any hope? Hope comes from action, hope comes from results. The swamp is getting drained, yet the swamp creatures seem all too fine. Are they all so untouchable?
“The swamp is getting drained, yet the swamp creatures seem all too fine. Are they all so untouchable?”
The key is that government is *not* the whole problem. Progressive worldviews have spread into 3 parts of our society from a fourth single part. It started in academia, with people like James, Dewey, etc. It spread to government, as so many civil service positions were written up so a government degree was required to even be considered. But it spread as well to newspapers as they became professionalized around the academic departments called “journalism”, and spread to business as it became professionalized around “Business” departments. This accelerated as formerly “optional” courses, requiring progressive statements to pass at all, to “broaden the students’ worldview” became mandatory for all majors.
As academia gained the status of the means by which people are certified for their positions in life, progressivism spread farther and farther through society.
This was because 50 years ago progressive views became dominant inside academia, to the point that it became harder and harder to graduate in *any* major without assenting to some portion or another of the progressive world view in some portion of your classes. Both portions keep growing.
As a result, when “draining the swamp” that is government, that moral detritus which is drained away is continually replenished by backfilling flows of liquefied moral substance from outside government. To concentrate on government alone will churn the swamp, but will not drain it, now that so much moral substance outside government has been liquefied by academia’s continual redefinition of what is right and what is wrong.
The progressive movement, in the end, is about academia allocating resources in our society. It uses its influence on students in a long-term 25+ years cycle to define what is right and good in graduates’ minds. Wanting their certification to carry the most clout for raising their status, they allocate resources to academia, first and foremost, and right after that, to the direct government jobs that require academic training. Then come “Human Resources” departments of major corporations, in which the easiest first filter to use on job applications is the college degree certification of the applicant. From the point that happens, corporations have fewer and fewer people operating outside the progressive worldview.
By contrast, the lesser degree of influence of journalism operates on a 5+ years time frame to change attitudes about more specific subjects. Business has time frames from 3 months to three years to ram through projects based on some progressive “cause”. Government can and does undertake “immediate action” on even shorter time frames.
Thus, the job of draining the swamp must include the job of reversing the liquefication of moral competence throughout the rest of society by academia, or the flows of backfill material will continue.
I sent the link to a conservative aunt whose children graduated from St. Olaf College. She replied back that of her four kids — and now two grandchildren — only one of her children emerged still conservative. She wrote: “A granddaughter who is now there is very liberal, and it has changed her.”
I sent my aunt a link to “Indoctrinate U.” on YouTube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHyvRHrYYBA (1-1/2 hour)
Robert wrote: “Had I been a student in that class where everyone applauded the idea of intimidating Trump voters I would have stood up and said, ‘Come on, show me how much you stand for liberty and freedom of speech and try and shut me up!’”
This kind of thing did not work when Milo Yiannopoulos tried this on the Berkeley campus, last month, or when Ben Shapiro tried it on several campuses across the country. Both times they were shut up.
Added to this shut-uppery, which is condoned by many college administrations, a problem with young college students is that they do not have the experience to see the alternate ideas or the education to know how to think rather than what to think. Too many of today’s students only know that they must think and speak the same as the mob around them.
From the “Indoctrinate U.” video: “When discussing race on campus, the smartest thing to do is just keep your mouth shut, unless you know the right things to say.” Saying something that is different from what you were taught to think is the wrong thing to say, and too many young students are easily intimidated into silence.
Edward, disturbing video, indoctrination indeed, these professors are teaching hate, this is part of the grievance industry that came from the 1960’s and 70’s. The hate that they are teaching is similar to the hate Palestinian parents teach their children, I fear this country is doomed if things are not repaired in these socalled institutions of higher education, I don’t see that happening.
This was because 50 years ago progressive views became dominant inside academia, to the point that it became harder and harder to graduate in *any* major without assenting to some portion or another of the progressive world view in some portion of your classes.
You can’t even get a job at a college unless you pledge allegiance to diversity and can list specific examples of your dedication. Your definition of diversity better match the progressive’s if you want a job.
Glad I am that I am part of what may have been the last generation allowed to settle differences on the playground, and we’re not talking ancient times here. I was bullied a fair amount ( ‘ a stack of books with legs’ to coin a phrase) until puberty, then things changed a bit.
By the time most kids graduated high school they knew their place in the social order and generally accepted and were accepted in their role. If you were a guy you’d earned your place on the sporting field or in the dirt behind the gym and you’d better be competent on at least one. Kids (and I don’t exclude girls) knew that there could be real, painful consequences for pissing someone off, and adults would turn a blind eye for a bit as the societal checks and balances were honored.
A lot of kids, even those from the mean streets of suburbia, knew what it was to be in an actual beat-him-or-get-beaten physical altercation. They know that other people can hurt them. The flip side is that unless kids enjoyed getting beaten, they learned to hit back: a course of action widely encouraged. For most kids the sum of the experience bred a certain civility and self-reliance.
When you repress the natural animal urge to fight in young people, you get confused, neurotic individuals who don’t have a chance to develop discipline and identity to the extent they otherwise would. And that’s the modern West: a very small minority bullying the vast majority who’ve been told they get what they deserve and they honestly don’t know any better.
Related because it has to do with Conservatives:
Trump attempts to play political hard ball.
http://www.mediaite.com/online/trump-to-house-gop-pass-healthcare-or-lose-your-seat/
This will be interesting, attempting to force through threats something on Conservatives that they are not at all happy with in order to make some kind of progress. Stay tuned.
Cotour: Your blind love of Trump as the world’s savior makes you want to make believe that the healthcare bill being pushed by Trump and the Republican leadership is “some kind of progress.” It is nothing of the sort. It helps to cement Obamacare into law, it poisons the Republicans with its passage, and it solves none of the problems. It is a bad mistake, and that Trump is pushing for it only illustrates why he was not really the best choice for our future.
Mr. Z.,
Good stuff.
My love is not blind, and I do not “make believe”.
“some kind of progress”
I did not say that that’s what I thought, I said it is what it looks like Trump thinks. Please reread what I said. I meant from Trumps point of view to get “something” accomplished, put up a “WIN”, even if it was not the ideal that many Conservatives would not have wanted.
Trump may indeed see this as a strategic maneuver and as a step to the overall eliminating of the law.
I have plainly stated my position on this law, it is an un Constitutional law that was passed through lies and deceit, and I have pointed out (and Wayne can attest to this because he agreed with me in totality) that there may be a very big temptation for the Republican leadership to keep the already passed ACA law in place in order that they not have to go through the contortions to get another bill passed into law.
No Wayne, Bad stuff.
My father replied to me about the article. He recounted a roommate that he had in college in 1950 (holy St. Olaf College, my dad is old!). The roommate was in the School of Journalism, and told my father that no conservative would last one quarter there, as the conservative would be failed on everything.
Tom Billings was right. It has been in academia for a very long time.
Cotour,
You wrote: “Trump may indeed see this as a strategic maneuver and as a step to the overall eliminating of the law.”
You seem to be making believe that this is part of a multi-step plan to eliminate Obamacare. Congress rarely, if ever, revisits a law soon after it has been passed. A multi-step plan is unlikely to get to step two, should this horrendous bill get signed into law, and it is even less likely to get to step three.
If this law is to be eliminated, then it should be eliminated — no dilly dallying, no beating around the bush, no multi-step plans that depend upon people who don’t do multiple steps.
If it cannot be done now, then when? Why would it need multiple steps? What would change among those who oppose eliminating it so that they would support a future repeal?
You wrote: “My love is not blind”
In another post, you wrote: “anything he does I am pretty much behind.”
http://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/essays-and-commentaries/trump-budget-proposal/#comment-973223
You failed to provide conditions of goodness to what he does for you to be behind it, suggesting that even if he does bad you will still support it. You support him even when he backs a bill that leaves in place most of the bad parts of Obamacare, rather than rather than a bill to repeal it in its entirety, as he and the Republicans had promised. You may be behind this fiasco, but with “some kind of progress” like this, who needs stasis?
When you said, above, that “in order to make some kind of progress” was what Trump thought, you forgot to mention that it was Trump’s thinking. When you got behind his actions, by explaining that Trump is playing hardball against those who don’t support keeping Obamacare-almost-slightly-lighter, some of us naturally thought that you agreed with those actions, especially since you want us to stay tuned to see how his tactic of bullying (“force through threats”, was the phrase you used) turns out.
We will also stay tuned to see whether conservatives who prefer that Trump sign a repeal bill, which is what he had promised to those who voted for him, actually lose their seats for the crime of preferring the bill that they had promised to those who voted for them.
Each day, it looks more and more like Trump is still the lifelong liberal Democrat that he has always been. We are on day 60, and he hasn’t done anything that Cruz, Walker, or even my dead cat couldn’t have done, but he has insisted that we keep Obamacare largely intact. His actions are liberal, to the point of trying to make Congress even less conservative by insisting that conservatives support bills that their voters do not like.
Your article wrote that Trump said, “Many of you came in on the pledge to repeal and replace Obamacare. I honestly think many of you will lose your seats in 2018 if you don’t get this done.” Trump’s bill does not get this done, therefore Trump thinks that this bill will cause many of them to lose their seats in 2018.
Some conservative wannabe he turns out to be.
Trump from my point of view has already won, he alone has changed to some real degree how Washington does business and / or is seen by the citizens of America. For better or worse. If he does nothing else, if he just sits in his office, he will have accomplished something of great value. He denied Hillary Clinton and her Liberal / leftist One World Government / New World Order Kabal the presidency (for the moment anyway). God was shining on us all on election day in November of 2016.
That being said he will not be just sitting there behind his desk taking up space and it is probably his greatest personal challenge to somehow move in some (?) positive way into the future in the political war that is politics within the belt way. So whether he does exactly what you want or he does exactly what I want is just a matter of details, and they are either “good” or “bad” depending on your point of view and your wish list. I assume that he understands the urgency of his unique position and that he will be judged by real Americans who love their Constitution at sometime in the future so I am hopeful that he accomplishes more good than bad from my point of view.
So yes, I support him in his battle, as should we all, to accomplish something. Is it “Blind Love” as was proposed by the Zman? No definitely not. Will I always be happy with what he accomplishes? Probably not. Will you or Wayne or the Zman be happy? I very highly doubt it. But Trumps accomplishments up to this point make me smile.
I still see Trump as being on a Washington D.C. learning curve that will probably not be fully realized for 6 months to a year, or longer. What we are witnessing right now is his first test of manipulative presidential power, Trump style. His feedback will either be encouraging or disappointing and then it might be back to the drawing board.
What I have stated previously is that in this quest for the correct application of threats and leverage if he is unable to gain traction that he may tend to begin to trade from a position of weakness. At that point (if that does indeed come to be) he will have sold out for no real Constitutional gain but for some facade of success and if that happens he and we will all have failed.
What he accomplishes IMO will be more of an amalgum of the 5 or 6 people that surround him. These would be in order 1. Bannon (key political philosophy man. The destroyer of worlds), 2. Kushner (A quiet man that is probably sharp and Trump trusts him implicitly), 3. Evanka (His soft side revealed), 4. Knewt (?, Will explain how to put his opponents in a political head lock; read blackmail them or what ever is necessary), 5. Alan Dershowitz ? Legal go to Constitutional consultant. And finally the all intuitive savant Trump brain.
Other things to be considered are how Trump will appease the powers that be in the world in order to justify the changes the WE want. I.E the Bilderberg and the like, big money, the Fed etc, etc. and to a real degree how will he appease the likes of the CIA? NSA? etc. etc. the “Deep State”, sometimes its not clear to me who works for who.
So lets not confuse my real time political observations with my personal desired results and the real world that we may not fully understand related to the pressures that the president can be made to bend to related to an accomplishable agenda.
Here is someone who is genuinely concerned about “The Trump Brain”.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/03/21/deepak-chopra-speculates-trumps-brain/99452268/
Its funny, he was not that concerned about the “Obama Brain” and his documentable by his own words Marxist indoctrination in his youth. That concerns me much more than Trumps egomaniacle, real estate, savant brain. At least the Trump brain the function of an American based philosophy. Its funny how none of these “wonderfully concerned” Liberals were not at all concerned about any of that. I guess it was Obama’s nice smile and his being a “clean” guy as per Joe Jackass Biden.
“If he does nothing else, if he just sits in his office, he will have accomplished something of great value.”
I’m not so content with mediocrity. I notice that with all those wonderful changes that have happened, conservatives still are threatened at even the religious colleges. Some improvement Trump has issued in.
It would have been so much better if an actual conservative had been allowed to make real progress after handily defeating the corrupt criminal, Clinton. An actual conservative would not have needed a personal challenge to become conservative enough to be able to move in a positive way.
But, I suppose as long as Trump does the liberal things that Cotour wants him to do, such as retain Obamacare, Cotour can feel justified from his point of view in having foist him upon us.
I do not support Trump in any of his liberal actions, and none of us should. The Obamacare bill that Trump backs is heinous that only those who get their health insurance for free or heavily subsidized can like. Cotour does not seem to mind that the rest of us will be stuck with this turd for the rest of our lives, and if this form of socialized medicine sticks around as long as the British NHS medical fiasco has, for the rest of our grand children’s lives, too.
It would have saved us a year or more had we had a real conservative who did not need a learning curve of Washington or of conservatism, and who would not be surrounded by other lifelong liberal Democrats* trying to (not) teach him conservatism. Cotour is happy to have foist Trump upon us, no matter how good or bad he does, from Cotour’s point of view Trump can do no wrong. Good or bad, we are stuck with Trump, and Cotour does not care how bad it gets for the rest of us. Cotour smiles anyway.
And now we are supposed to be happy merely that Obama’s brain is out of the White House, and since it does not matter (to Cotour) who replaces him (except for Clinton), we should be happy it isn’t an actual conservative who does not need advisers to teach him conservatism or the Washington way.
* 1) RINO Chief of Staff Reince Priebus, perhaps the closest Trump adviser.
2) Liberal Ivanka Trump and her liberal husband Jared Kushner.
3) Those RINOs running both houses of Congress. Those guys are a big help, when they propose keeping Obamacare instead of repealing it. You go, guys! What a great (dis)service you do for this country.
” I notice that with all those wonderful changes that have happened, conservatives still are threatened at even the religious colleges. Some improvement Trump has issued in.”
60 days in and Edward expects some kind of political miracle. You, the Zman and Wayne apparently suffer from High I.Q. Sloe and Wan disorder. But like I have stated before, if I was going to the moon I want a building full of you all to ensure that I got back home. You would of course want me to make it back home Edward, right?
Your observation above along with the rest of it are of course ridiculous and based in your condition.
Edward–
Good stuff.
Cotour– you are way off, on my Diagnosis!
(and personal attacks, are beneath you.)
First thing Trump did— appoint Rinse Priebus as his gatekeeper.
That spoke volumes to me. If I wanted Rinse running the show, I would have voted for Jeb.
Trump beat Hillary.
Good.
>Old news.
My diagnosis is precise and is not a personal attack at all. Please do not characterize my observations as such.
Trump has great potential as I have pointed out before, both good and bad, how he is able to fulfill his potential remains to be seen. Its too early to tell much of anything at this point in time. Lets not apply our pedestrian point of view to Washington politics and what is necessary to get things done in such a counter intuitive atmosphere. Trump is immersed in figuring out how to operate in this counter intuitive place.
This is not an excuse for Trumps actions, it is my observation about what he must be involved in. Two different things.
Trump is potentially awesome & brilliant, and is immersed in figuring out how to operate in the counter-intuitive place called the seat of our Federal government.
Hmmm… let us appoint Rince Priebus and make him chief of staff. What could possibly go wrong?
Let us appoint DeStefano so he can hire 3000 Crony Rino Statist, swamp-dwellers; what could possibly go wrong?
Let’s appoint the head of Exxon, who loves carbon taxes, as SOS. What could possibly go wrong?
Let us create a bigger, “better,” massive, unaffordable healthcare scheme, and claim it’s based on free-markets.
What could possibly go wrong?
Your Sloe and Wan diagnosis is once again reinforced. Way off on your diagnosis? I think not.
Cotour wrote: “60 days in and Edward expects some kind of political miracle.”
This coming from the one who expounds about “political miracles” that Trump has brought around the world.
Two examples:
1) From above:
“Trump from my point of view has already won, he alone has changed to some real degree how Washington does business and / or is seen by the citizens of America.”
2) From http://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/essays-and-commentaries/trump-budget-proposal/#comment-973010
“Trump can manifest real change. The world lines up to readjust how it does business, from the Chinese right down the line.”
Both of these accomplishments would have happened under any non-Democrat president and didn’t need Trump. Obama had caused changes in both areas, too. They would have happened even if my dead cat had won the election; we are simply recovering from Obama’s terrible leadership-from-his-behind. Trump has not shown any special accomplishment that a real conservative would have to shown to a greater degree, and he is messing up worse than a Cruz or Walker would have done. Cotour gives Trump undeserved credit for merely choosing to run on a non-Democrat party ticket. Trump is making poor progress during his first 100 days, the period that is generally considered the best time for any president to effect change as set the tone of his administration.
Trump is not the best choice that we could have put into the presidency. As wayne suggests, his ranking is down around where that RINO Jeb Bush would have been as a presidential choice. Maybe lower.
Trump was elected because of his well known catchphrase “you’re fired,” but he has not used it in areas that matter. His administration is still full of Democrat sleepers. Rather than get rid of them, reform taxes, boost the economy, prove that Washington criminals can no longer get away with their crimes, or protect us from alien and illegal alien evildoers, he chose to support Obamacare.
That liberal Democrat viewpoint is setting the tone of his administration.
But what should we expect from a president who only listens to his liberal Democrat advisers?
Marching in place for four years will only result in metastasizing the liberal policies that Obama stuck on us.
Cotour,
You may think you are dealing with the same Obots that come into your shop, but we see through Trump’s uselessness. We know how to think, and you cannot browbeat us into your version of what to think. We have known that you were wrong from the moment you first fawned over the lifelong liberal Democrat Trump, trying to convince us that he was some kind of conservative, or would become one due to surrounding himself with conservatives, or had the potential to do the right things despite not being even close to being a conservative or defining conservatism.
I, for one, will continue to occasionally point out some of his many disappointments, failings, and failures. You, I am sure, will continue to fawn over those same items.