Elon Musk hints at using a “giant party balloon” to recover Falcon 9 upper stages
In several tweets yesterday, Elon Musk said that SpaceX is considering using “a giant party balloon” to recover Falcon 9 upper stages.
No timetable was mentioned. It seems that Musk and SpaceX is still looking at ways to reuse the Falcon 9 upper stage. Whether this proposal ever makes it to hardware however is a different question. Musk and his engineers have floated many concepts over the years, not all of which have flown.
The balloon idea has some merit, as it has been successfully used to land landers and rovers on the Moon and Mars.
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In several tweets yesterday, Elon Musk said that SpaceX is considering using “a giant party balloon” to recover Falcon 9 upper stages.
No timetable was mentioned. It seems that Musk and SpaceX is still looking at ways to reuse the Falcon 9 upper stage. Whether this proposal ever makes it to hardware however is a different question. Musk and his engineers have floated many concepts over the years, not all of which have flown.
The balloon idea has some merit, as it has been successfully used to land landers and rovers on the Moon and Mars.
On Christmas Eve 1968 three Americans became the first humans to visit another world. What they did to celebrate was unexpected and profound, and will be remembered throughout all human history. Genesis: the Story of Apollo 8, Robert Zimmerman's classic history of humanity's first journey to another world, tells that story, and it is now available as both an ebook and an audiobook, both with a foreword by Valerie Anders and a new introduction by Robert Zimmerman.
The ebook is available everywhere for $5.99 (before discount) at amazon, or direct from my ebook publisher, ebookit. If you buy it from ebookit you don't support the big tech companies and the author gets a bigger cut much sooner.
The audiobook is also available at all these vendors, and is also free with a 30-day trial membership to Audible.
"Not simply about one mission, [Genesis] is also the history of America's quest for the moon... Zimmerman has done a masterful job of tying disparate events together into a solid account of one of America's greatest human triumphs."--San Antonio Express-News
You wrote: “The balloon idea has some merit, as it has been successfully used to land landers and rovers on the Moon and Mars.”
How would you use a balloon on the Moon? No atmosphere? Mars, sure, and there is a NASA program to test a ballute for this purpose (with no real success, they keep tearing it). But if SpaceX decides to do this, tetsing different ideas on otherwise normal launches odds of their licking it with dozens-30 tests a year seems more likely than NASA with a total of 2 or 3 tries and lack of success.
SpaceX is so much more interesting for their willingness to try and fail until they succeed.
geoffc: The balloons were used on both Mars and the Moon to provide cushioning on impact. The spacecraft bounced numerous times before settling on the surface unharmed.
Granted, SpaceX’s plan seems to involve an inflated balloon. Different engineering.
It has to be a ballute. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballute
Armadillo Aerospace used a ballute in their suborbital-class rocket, last launched about six years ago. https://www.universetoday.com/93281/armadillo-launches-a-stig-a-rocket-captures-awesome-image-of-ballute/
Video of the ill-fated launch. They had problems with the attachment plate breaking. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aw11NFz14sA Deployment at about 3:25, failure at about 4:55.
A few months ago, Elon Musk openly tweeted out his personal phone number. He intended it to be a private message sent to John Carmack. Carmack was the owner and chief designer for Armadillo, and it is likely that Mr. Carmack has contributed to the Falcon 9 design, to some small degree. I have heard that the use of grid fins was due to his suggestion.
One other area where there could be contribution is through the usage of GPS guided parachutes. This was still an experimental procedure when AA and Wamore achieved this landing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UV7zL07Tof8 I don’t know if SpaceX is using Wamore or someone else, or developing within house, but this type of system has to be what is used with the current faring recovery attempts. It is also what would be used to guide the 2nd stage back to a landing site.
geoffc-
check these out
“How we landed on Mars with NASA Spirit”
https://youtu.be/6t3IARmIdOI
6:32
and the companion piece–
Mars Rover Opportunity Landing
[https://youtu.be/daiUW_O6gOM]
(8:09)
Do we know how many times each of them bounced?
Curiosity’s Landing on Mars; How It Unfolded
>side-by-side Animation & actual Mars Descent Imager video
NASA JPL CalTech
https://youtu.be/W7e_k-_jzZg
4:05