Imans in UK refuse to say prayers for terrorists

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It is about time: More than 130 Muslim religious leaders in the United Kingdom are refusing to perform funeral rites for the terrorists who attacked people this past Saturday on London Bridge.

The decision by the Muslim leaders was seen as an “unprecedented” move because the funeral ritual is typically performed on a deceased Muslim no matter the person’s past actions. The group of religious leaders have urged others to join them in declining to pray for the dead killers.

“We, as Muslim imams and religious leaders, condemn the recent terror attacks in Manchester and London in the strongest terms possible,” the Muslim leaders said in a statement. “Coming from a range of backgrounds, and from across the U.K.; feeling the pain the rest of the nation feels, we have come together to express our shock and utter disgust at these cold-blooded murders. We are deeply hurt that a spate of terror attacks have been committed in our country once more by murderers who seek to gain religious legitimacy for their actions. We seek to clarify that their reprehensible actions have neither legitimacy nor our sympathy.”

So, does this mean they had no problems with performing rites for the terrorists of earlier attacks, such as at Westminster earlier this year and the July 7 attacks several years ago? Meh.

I must say that though this is the right response on their part, I am not very impressed. For more that two decades the Islamic community in the west has sat on its hands, making believe they have nothing to do with Islamic terrorism, or quietly supporting it by non-action. They are suddenly realizing now that people are losing patience with them, and that their safe havens in the west are now increasingly threatened. Most politicians might still be mouthing platitudes of “We have to all get along,” but the public is increasingly angry and demanding action, even if it means kicking every Islamic practitioner back to the Middle East.

Thus, though I do not like attacking people with such broad strokes, I can understand why it is happening. And the Muslim community has no one to blame but themselves.


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  • Cotour

    Yes, there will come the tipping point in England, or let me say there should come a tipping point in England where it will be legally decided that individuals and neighborhoods will be identified and will be very proactively raided and mass arrests and prosecutions of all connected will result. “No go zones” will be dismantled and neighborhoods will have to be normalized. And those who knew about impending terrorist actions will have to suffer severe costs for not reporting.

    (If this or something akin to it does not happen soon in England, and I could see it not happening because of the politically correct the labor under all will be lost for them soon enough. They seem to be there.)

    This is what needs to happen to begin to turn their situation around, this is what will have to happen in America if we do not begin to control our own borders, immigration and our own politically correct insane cultural trajectory properly.

    These kinds of actions may well result in some kind of civil war but if the Brits want to save their country it must be undertaken, they are well down the road on this issue and they have allowed it all to go way too far.

    As for the terrorists from the other day who the religious authorities are refusing to bury and any terrorists in the future, I say that they should be wrapped in a specially made and weighted body bag that will accommodate the body of the terrorist, whole or in parts, and the head of a pig and they should be flow to the middle of the Atlantic ocean and buried at sea. This should be done as per law and it be a public ceremony, video taped and documented as the body slips beneath the waves. This extreme and distasteful but necessary action will deliver a very strong message to those who seek religious vindication and reward for their actions and will serve as a deterrent. If we refuse to think at their level of what they think is important then we will never be able to counter act their actions, they are inside our culture and have knowledge, we remain outside and ignorant of their culture . This advantage must be forcefully neutralized.

    It should be known that these actions will be taken so as to serve as a deterrent and the ocean burial to not provide any accessible location for anyone who might want to worship their actions. As extreme and crazy as something like this sounds this and things like it are the only credible deterrents that will get these extremists attention, right now buy their own distorted and perverted religion they have no down side to their actions and see themselves as “safe” regarding their religion and their terrorism. That perception must be effectively changed.

    Something like this will be an outrage to some and it would be called discrimination, and blasphemy, and everything else you can think that some politically correct suicidal nut can think of but this something like this is what we are going to have to lower ourselves to do to deal with the monster that stalks us.

    And there will be plenty of people who will volunteer to do it, hell, you can start a company that specializes in it.

  • wayne

    I’m all-in, on any psy-op involving any ideas of having, for example, a sample of Pig D.N.A., being embedded into every single one of our weapons.

    President Trump reads “The Snake Poem”

  • Cotour

    “What happened to freedom from religion?” A lawyer friend asks me after reading my suggestion.
    Nothing, I wrote. What about an individuals right to live in peace in their own religion and not being effected by anothers religion? And when that other religion commands them to kill? Are you suggesting that those who use their religion to injure and kill others, their religious beliefs should be respected? Because thats what it sounds like.

    Tell me your suggestion to some how effectively disincentivize religious zealots who’s prime motivation is being held up as martyred and be “clean” upon death to receive their rewards. All their bodies after the fact should be confiscated and treated in the way that I suggest and disposed of. Its not perfect but it may be effective.

    “It was Colonel Alexander Rodgers of the 6th Cavalry who accomplished by taking advantage of religious prejudice what the bayonets and Krags had been unable to accomplish. Rodgers inaugurated a system of burying all dead juramentados in a common grave with the carcasses of slaughtered pigs. The Mohammedan religion forbids contact with pork; and this relatively simple device resulted in the withdrawal of juramentados to sections not containing a Rodgers. Other officers took up the principle, adding new refinements to make it additionally unattractive to the Moros. In some sections the Moro juramentado was beheaded after death and the head sewn inside the carcass of a pig. And so the rite of running juramentado, at least semi-religious in character, ceased to be in Sulu. The last cases of this religious mania occurred in the early decades of the century. The juramentados were replaced by the amucks … who were simply homicidal maniacs with no religious significance attaching to their acts.”

    Something symbolic must be done to begin to dial this down. I said we will be forced to lower ourselves to their level. Distasteful but possibly very effective and may tend to effect a different way of thinking about their terroristic activities.

  • Gealon

    Something a simple as lubricating our guns with pork based oils should do the trick. Just make it known throughout the world that the US has switched to the “Environmentally friendly pork alternative.” I would imagine that would send the message quite clearly without actually saying that we’re using your own twisted religion against you.

  • wayne

    That, is an excellent idea.

    We should have fed Osama bin Laden’s worthless corpse, to pigs, and streamed it live on C-Span.

  • Cotour

    At some point someone must recognize that the sewer is backed up and be willing to wade into the basement to clear the sewer.

    Most all individuals, politician’s / leadership, are whistling past the problem. Pretty soon the sewage will be flowing out of their own and our toilet and then the people will demand that actions be taken.

    Get your waders ready.

  • wayne

    The musselmen, hate dogs as well.

    Warning– Disturbing.

    “Mistreatment of Dogs by Muslims”
    Officials in Karachi, Pakistan have killed thousands of stray dogs by poisoning them.

  • wayne

    Why did Thomas Jefferson have a Koran?
    David Barton

    We took the liberty to make some enquiries concerning the ground of their pretensions to make war upon nations who had done them no injury, and observed that we considered all mankind as our friends who had done us no wrong, nor had given us any provocation. The Ambassador [of Tripoli] answered us that it was founded on the Laws of their Prophet, that it was written in their Koran, that all nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as Prisoners, and that every Musselman who should be slain in battle was sure to go to Paradise.
    – Thomas Jefferson and John Adams
    – Letter to John Jay, 28 March 1786, in Thomas Jefferson Travels: Selected Writings, 1784-1789, by Anthony Brandt, pp. 104-105

  • Edward

    Yes, the imams are beginning to have a correct response to terrorism made in the name of their religion. The imams say that they feel the pain and are deeply hurt, but they have yet to outright condemn the actions entirely and be angry that they were done in the name of their religion. The imams are only starting to say some of the right words, but they need to be outraged, actively work against the terror, and demand that all the rest of Islam likewise work against the terror. This would begin to demonstrate that the religion really is peaceful despite the passages in their Koran that instruct otherwise.

    Speaking of the Snake Poem, the story of the Scorpion and the Toad also comes to mind. The toad helps the scorpion from drowning by carrying him on his back across the rising stream, away from the quickly disappearing island, but the scorpion fatally stings the toad midstream. Just before they both drown, the toad asks why the scorpion stung him when that means the death of them both, and the scorpion says that he could not help it; stinging was in his nature. The Koran makes it in the nature of Islam to destroy all infidels, even if that destruction takes place in a non-peaceful way.

    Terror is in Islam’s nature, so these imams and all the rest of the Muslims must prove that it is not. Otherwise, wayne and LocalFluff may both be right in the opinions that they have expressed over the years. At this point, the imams have waited so long that gaining credibility with the rest of the world could take many decades or generations. They may never gain credibility with wayne and LocalFluff. Thus, “the Muslim community has no one to blame but themselves,” as Robert said.

  • LocalFluff

    Saudi Arabia’s soccer team disrespects the two Australian women they murdered in London. Well, they were not human beings according to muslims. They were just women cattle.

    Salman’s got some beard to shave here if he wants his family remain on the throne.
    Muslims are so disgusting! I can’t wait to get rid of them all.

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