John Boehner in 2010, on the day Obamacare was passed, predicting its every failure and lie since.

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Republican House leader John Boehner in 2010, on the day Obamacare was passed, successfully predicting its every failure and lie since.

It didn’t take clairvoyance to make these predictions, merely a willingness to read the bill and apply common sense.


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  • Cotour

    ,” successfully predicting its every failure and lie since. ”

    I have a problem with this statement, it again legitimizes the concept. The concept from the beginning is a concept that is a lie and a deception and is un-American. The bill was conceived, represented, defended and passed into law as being a penalty, not a tax. A fraud from the get go that was understood to be smoothed over when it got to the Supreme Court.

    Adults knowingly allowing themselves to be lied to. More than sad.

  • Edward

    I seem to have missed how his statement legitimizes the concept. His whole point is that it is a lie, a deception, and is un-American.

    Boehner could not, at that time, know that the Supreme Court would change the penalty to a tax (also an unconstitutional action), so he could not make that point.

  • Cotour

    Its like when you go into detail listing all of the reasons that Obamacare is wrong. That is a secondary conversation, right from the start, from the concept, the law is un-Constitutional and is un-American. So to not point that out first and to choose to get down in the dirt and argue all of the minute details is to forget about that from that start it is an un-American law. A logic line has been crossed which tends to legitimize the offensive law because you are arguing it on someone else’s terms.

    And that includes the fact that the Supreme Court ruled that Obamacare was legal. Another outrageous, biased and politically motivated ruling by a weak and manipulatable Chief Justice.

  • “Its like when you go into detail listing all of the reasons that Obamacare is wrong. That is a secondary conversation, right from the start, from the concept, the law is un-Constitutional and is un-American.”

    I disagree. Edward’s arguments, which have focused on the philosophical and practical reasons Obamacare is wrong, are just as important as your Constitutional arguments, and should be stated also, loudly and with force. I’m glad he is doing so.

    You are making the same mistake here that professional Republicans too often make: argue tactics. Let’s not waste time and energy arguing with ourselves when we mostly agree. Instead let’s spend our time and energy focused on the main point: Obamacare is morally, legally, and practically wrong, and must be repealed.

  • Edward

    It *is* un-American, and that should be stated loudly and convincingly. However, it will not sway those who think that un-American is a good thing. Those who believe that America should be fundamentally transformed would likely be encouraged.

    The Cloward-Piven strategy, in which the US is deeply submerged, was conceived by such people.

    Those who would reduce the US’s standing in the world, either by damaging its reputation or its military, financial, or cultural strength, are malicious against the country. These are all happening right now.

    And we must remember that all three branches of government can turn tyrannical. Tyranny is about as un-American as it gets. The Supreme Court has either forgotten that or no longer cares.

    America was started with freedom as its foundation. From the time that the first Pilgrims sought religious freedom to today’s political refugees, freedom has been the cornerstone that keeps us strong. Freedom is the base that created American exceptionalism, and the American ingenuity that was so famous during WWII. Freedom is why 300 million people are able to be innovative, not just the voice of a tyrant or monarch, or the decisions of some central committee choosing how our economy will run.

    Many immigrants go into business because they can. Because *at last* they can. Because in America great things are possible — *because* of our freedoms.

    Freedom allows each of us to choose whether to start our own company and offer whatever health insurance we believe will be popular and helpful to our customers, and it is what allows our customers to choose our insurance policies over policies that don’t work as well for them. When that freedom is taken from us, we are worse off for it. There are no “better” goods or services for us than the ones that we can freely choose.

    Freedom allows us to choose to start a blog site and to choose to comment on that site (and drone on about freedom until no one is reading anymore). And disagreement is another form of freedom. When everyone has to agree with the rest of the group, then they are not as free as they may think that they are.

    Whoever does the choosing will always choose what is best for him, not necessarily best for the recipient. The chooser would have to know the recipient very well in order for the choice to be good for that recipient. That is why the best presents come from those who know us best, not from some faraway bureaucrat.

    The selfishness of profit is what inspires us to improve our goods and services or to reduce their prices. Profit requires improvement. When someone decides that there will be only a one-size-fits-all insurance policy, then improvement is stifled, and freedom to choose is eliminated.

    Adam Smith had it right: self-interest (acting locally), when it is enlightened (thinking globally), works extremely well for all interested parties. We need to keep our American freedom.

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