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May 21, 2021 Zimmerman/Batchelor podcast

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Conscious Choice cover

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From the press release: In this ground-breaking new history of early America, historian Robert Zimmerman not only exposes the lie behind The New York Times 1619 Project that falsely claims slavery is central to the history of the United States, he also provides profound lessons about the nature of human societies, lessons important for Americans today as well as for all future settlers on Mars and elsewhere in space.

Conscious Choice: The origins of slavery in America and why it matters today and for our future in outer space, is a riveting page-turning story that documents how slavery slowly became pervasive in the southern British colonies of North America, colonies founded by a people and culture that not only did not allow slavery but in every way were hostile to the practice.  
Conscious Choice does more however. In telling the tragic history of the Virginia colony and the rise of slavery there, Zimmerman lays out the proper path for creating healthy societies in places like the Moon and Mars.


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  • Mark

    Another informative broadcast episode with Bob and John Batchelor. Like the chronicles of the moon race of the 1960s, fifty years from now there will histories written of this new ‘Mars Race’. When reviewing the PRC Zhurong, those who are brave will agree with Bob’s comment “They stole it”.
    For these weekly broadcasts, we need to nominate Bob and John for a Science Media Award for Best Audio Science. Does anybody know of any institution that handles such awards?

  • Bob, I believe the movie you are thinking of is “Destination Moon” from 1950. Big steel rockets!

  • wayne

    That’s my cue….

    Destination Moon (1950)
    –>very nice print!

  • wayne

    a very nice print as well, can be found here:

    (stream or download, no commercials)

  • wayne

    Can’t forget—-
    (great rocket-launch scene!)

  • wayne

    Oh yeah, John Batchelor is a national-treasure! (Not to mention our own Mr. Z.!)

    Mr. Z.;
    I think “reality television,’ is what you were thinking of. (personally, I only watch Gold Rush, pirated off the interweb, as I have no cable.)

    related to the initial theme:
    ->Great science-fiction Pulp Magazine covers!

  • James Street

    I find myself humming “Flash” by Queen whenever Starship launches.

    Queen – Flash (Official Video) – 2:52

  • James Street

    Meanwhile from the world of Elon Musk:

    Elon Musk @elonmusk
    Any sufficiently advanced magic is indistinguishable from technology
    2:22 AM · May 22, 2021

  • Steve Golson: Yup, that’s the movie. In trying to gently correct John, I goofed slightly myself, though I think if anyone wanted to find it, using our discussion as a guide, they can.

  • Wayne: You are the man to ask: Is there a viewable version of “When Worlds Collide” available anywhere on line?

  • Wayne: Heh. You answered my question before I asked it!

  • wayne

    Good stuff!

    Starship looks a lot like…..

    Fireball XL5 (1962)
    Intro & Outro

  • wayne

    If anyone wants to watch Fireball XL5, without utilizing youtube….
    (about 145MB’s per episode in .mp4)

  • Icepilot

    Now watching “Destination Moon” (again) via Starlink (score!), having read the book many years ago. Heinlien’s prediction of Elon Musk is prescient beyond belief.

  • Mark McSherry

    Concerning DESTINATION MOON: hosts the 48 minute TV kinescope of “City at Night”—

    “… (a) TV magazine show, hosted by Keith Hetherington and Dorothy Gardiner.

    “Traveling to a different and unannounced location of interest every week, the program here presents a “live,” behind-the-scenes look at the shooting of the film “Destination Moon”.

    “Based on information discussed within the program and program schedules published in the Los Angeles Times,” someone on the Internet has “deduced that it was telecast on October 11, 1949.”

    Heinlein makes his first appearance at the 12:00 minute mark.

    The RAH collection “Requiem: New Collected Works by Robert A. Heinlein and Tributes to the Grand Master” has three Destination Moon articles-

    – RAH’s novelette ‘Destination Moon”
    – RAH’s piece that appeared in the July 1950 Astounding Science Fiction called “Shooting Destination Moon”
    – RAH’s Guest of Honor speech (1969 Rio de Janeiro Movie Festival) prior to a showing of DM

    Requiem also has RAH’s 1940 first D. D. Harriman story, “Requiem”, but not the 1950 ‘Harriman’ short novel, “The Man Who Sold the Moon.”

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