Musk: Tesla leaving California due to government-imposed shut down


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Good: Elon Musk yesterday announced in a furious tweet yesterday that he has had enough of the government-imposed shut down in California due to the Wuhan flu panic, and will be shifting Tesla operations from that state.

“Frankly, this is the final straw,” Musk tweeted. “Tesla will now move its HQ and future programs to Texas/Nevada immediately. If we even retain Fremont manufacturing activity at all, it will be dependen (sic) on how Tesla is treated in the future. Tesla is the last carmaker left in CA.”

He is also suing Alameda County, since its order to stay closed contradicted the okay he had gotten from fascist governor Gavin Newsom. How these actions here will effect SpaceX is not yet clear. Last I heard that company was going to put its factory to build Starship in the port of Los Angeles. Maybe not now.

I expect more businesses that can will be shifting their operations from the dictatorial Democratically-controlled blue states to places that are more friendly to freedom and free enterprise.

A bit of history: This flight from leftist states mirrors what happened in East Germany during the 1950s during the Cold War. The Soviets, direct ancestors to today’s Democratic Party, were insistent on imposing communism in East Germany, which quickly resulted in poverty and an inability of anyone to make a living. In response people and businesses fled in great numbers, making East Germany the only country in Europe to be losing population.

To solve this, Khrushchev decided in 1961 to build the Berlin Wall and make everyone in East Germany a prisoner. I will not be surprised if the leftist states, such as California, Oregon, Washington, New Jersey, and New York, soon consider the same solution. Nor would I be surprised if soon these very states find large portions seceding from them to also escape this tyranny.

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31 comments

  • pzatchok

    I was surprised he stayed so long.

  • Dick Eagleson

    Well, moving Tesla HQ is at least a start. But I suspect the whole Fremont plant will soon follow – probably to a new Sprung Structures-based home alongside Gigafactory 1 in Nevada. That could probably be accomplished in a matter of weeks once Elon gives the go-ahead and the detailed planning process is completed.

    I’ll certainly miss the SpaceX Hawthorne Mothership if it goes too – it’s been fun living so near a major wellspring of the bright American future.

    But I will also entirely understand.

    I also now see what was evidently a non-trivial contributor to Elon’s recent decision to dump his houses and live “on the road,” so to speak, as he bounces around from one of his operations to another.

  • Col Beausabre

    I realize that Musk is a folk hero to a lot of the people on this blog, but an on-line poll by MSN shows a 40 vs 32 percent favorable vs unfavorable opinion of him. What that means is open to question, but I would guess a lot of left coasters would say “good riddance’ regardless of the economic (to include taxes and expenditures) on their state, Wait until you hear him called a robber baron, unmindful of his “stakeholders” (ya want some say in how he runs things, buy stock and become a shareholder) and how this is “proof” of socialism’s superiority to capitalism

  • Col Beausabre: I do not dispute your description of the likely reaction in leftist California to Musk leaving the state. I do wish to note how that reaction is identical to the same propaganda claims the communists made both in Moscow and in East Germany to explain the people fleeing their communist paradise.

    As much as things change, some things — including ignorance and hate — never do.

  • Cotour

    Favorable V Unfavorable?

    Why relevant?

  • Tom D

    The comments at ARSTechnica are exactly as predicted by Col Beausabre:

    https://arstechnica.com/cars/2020/05/musk-blasts-county-shutdown-continuation-this-is-the-final-straw/?comments=1

    The Culture Wars sadly (but predictably) continue.

  • geoffc

    NY state asserts that if you make enough money (unclear what that amount is) and claim to move out of the state, they will pursue you for any day you spend in NY State and tax you. They are trying to make it very hard to leave NY. So alas, not a wall yet, but using the power of government to get close.

  • Ian C.

    The Soviets, direct ancestors to today’s Democratic Party

    Haha, that’s delicious. Might be true though.

    To solve this, Khrushchev decided in 1961 to build the Berlin Wall and make everyone in East Germany a prisoner.

    Your Berlin references are much appreciated.

    I will not be surprised if the leftist states, such as California, Oregon, Washington, New Jersey, and New York, soon consider the same solution.

    They won’t build a wall. They will impose taxes on your business for leaving the state (hypothetical liquidation value) and might tax your future (personal) income out of state for some years. Proven method.

  • Ian C: You really should read or listen to Genesis: The Story of Apollo 8. It would possibly clarify many of your questions about American culture.

  • Max

    Jeffersonian’s “directive 10-289” from Atlas shrugged.
    https://youtu.be/AM0uIEfaNLw

    Voted second most influential book. (the Bible is voted first)

  • Edward

    When Coronavirus seemed to be an unknown factor, we put our trust in government. We believed that they had some inkling that they knew something about what they were doing. Attempting to prevent the hospitals from becoming overwhelmed seemed like a reasonable goal, one that we could make a sacrifice for. Santa Clara County’s officials explained that they knew that they were asking us to do something difficult, stop living our lives for three weeks, but that it was necessary, essentially for the greater good — my words, not theirs. They had a stated goal. They seemed to have reason to believe that the hospitals could be overwhelmed. They had a defined exit strategy. We cooperated.

    They fooled us. This seems to be high on Musk’s mind as he tweeted his intentions, having not been treated well by state and local government.

    Unfortunately, various levels of governments moved the goalposts, changing the goal of shutdown and lockdown into saving lives, and New York Mayor De Blasio said that if it saved just one life then shutdown lockdown would be worth it (then again, he has a job, income, and money to put food on his table). They moved the entire field by saying we had to prevent anyone from becoming infected, and started releasing violent convicts into the general population. The entire stadium is being moved with the experts telling us that we have to stay shutdown and locked down until there is a vaccine — if that is even possible. It is perhaps the biggest Ef You any leadership has perpetrated on its people in our lifetimes, and they are supposed to work for us, not the other way around.

    We are learning that shutdown lockdown smackdown doesn’t work — we are now losing all the forty thousand lives that the government told us we would save by staying home, and millions are still becoming infected while at home. We are also learning that it is costing many lives in addition to those lost by Wuhan flu. Not just one life but many lives specifically due to the Great Oppression shutdown lockdown smackdown. Would not it be worth exiting shutdown lockdown smackdown if it saves just one life?

    Government has lost its moral high ground, but We the Starving, Ailing, Bankrupted People retain our moral high ground. Governors do not see this — shame on them. The police don’t seem to see this — shame on them. Judges sentencing starving business owners to a week in jail (while releasing murderers and rapists from the jails and into the community, so that they won’t get sniffles from Wuhan) do not see this — shame on them. They all have lost the high ground but are continuing to cause us harm in the name of the greater good, but they threw out the greater good with the bath water.

    Not only does no one know where the goalposts are, no one even knows where the stadium went.

  • Ian C.

    Bob,

    You really should read or listen to Genesis: The Story of Apollo 8.

    Just a remark re the “We Stand for Freedom” chapter, the same commie party that at that time ruled half of the city and shot those freedom-seekers you mentioned in the chapter now rules the entire city with their leftist and green collaborators from the West. Today they talk (again) openly about expropriation of industries and labor camps or mass murder of class enemies. Sad.

    It would possibly clarify many of your questions about American culture.

    Do I still have so much to learn? After 20+ years of mingling with the Americans, esp. the Bay Area Libertarians? Learning about American history, philosophy, sociology, commerce? Doing business with Americans and in the process of moving some of my businesses to the US? Finding that many Americans I meet appear way more European than I am with their belief in the state and their distrust of private initiatives or their rejection of the 1A (“hate speech”) and 2A (“gun-crazy white supremacists”) or their dislike of those wonderful American attitudes like Think Big/Can Do/Question Authority (“leads to inequality and environmental destruction”)? The acknowledgement that my military protection (in Europe) is largely paid with American lives and tax dollars?
    I even grew up with “Married… with Children” and “Sledge Hammer.” I feel fully qualified.

    Bob, on a scale from “Democratic Socialist” [1] to “Full-blooded American,” where would you put me? That would indicate where my possible shortcomings are.

    (Just to be clear, I like Europe with all the up and downsides, but I wish it were a bit more American in spirit and performance.)
    _____
    [1] What A Democratic Socialist Convention Is Like (3:41)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPLQNUVmq3o

  • Col Beausabre

    Cotour, It’s relevant because, just like everything and everyone else, Tesla (and SpaceX) and Musk operate in a political environment and under our system of government that means the opinions held by people are important. Ask Johns Manville and the coal, tobacco and soft drink industries, If 40 percent of the people instead of 32 disapprove of you (not that big of a change), you’re going to have a difficult time. One of my primary reasons for posting the numbers was acquaint this blog’s readers – who seem to have a universal admiration of Musk – where things stand and what the reaction to his announcement might be. They should not be surprised if punitive action against his businesses and his assets (goof move selling the houses Elon, your money is in out of state banks, I presume) follow the denunciations.

  • Cotour

    I listened to an interview with the famous defense attorney, Roy Black, this morning.

    He stated: “Its much nicer representing someone popular than someone who is despised”. And who could argue with that?

    So point taken, but Musk being a player of a certain level is positioning himself as he now must to battle the forces of evil in California that essentially despise him as a capitalist and entrepreneur and only see him in a parasitic manner.

    I think that is called between a rock and a hard place. How will he fair? We wait to see.

  • John

    Somebody has got to figure out a way to keep Californians in California.

    I’m just kidding. Sort of.

  • Edward

    Ian C.,
    You asked: “Do I still have so much to learn? After 20+ years of mingling with the Americans, esp. the Bay Area Libertarians?

    Yes, you do have much to learn. First, you described the philosophies of liberals, not Libertarians. You have yet to learn the difference.

  • R7 Rocket

    @Col Beausabre

    ” under our system of government that means the opinions held by people are important.

    Public opinion is fake and manufactured. The Deep State routinely ignores public opinion when convenient. Now, however, the Deep State has just suffered a major loss with General Flynn. And that explains Elon Musk’s greater boldness against the Deep State.

  • Ian C.

    Edward,

    The people I hang around with since 20 years are mostly American libertarians. The statements I put in quotes were the exaggerated sentiments from American liberals. I know the difference between both.

    May I ask you where on the above mentioned scale you would put me? Assume I’d be a nice fella from Titusville, FL, and I write what I write. Where on the scale am I?

    I saw several other Americans (in right-wing/libertarian online forums) asking the same question, “who would they shoot at?” They received the whole package of American socialization and yet they didn’t know. In essence, this question lead to me being asked whether I’m American. How much less American must they be then? Actually, I repeatedly asked you the same question. You pointed me to the American Revolution and continued to beat around the bush, but you didn’t answer it as well. Edward, are you an American?

  • Ian C: Let me try to answer your question. Americans are armed. When (not if) the government decides it needs to arrest people because those people threaten that government’s power, for whatever made-up reason the government invents (they’re white, they’re privileged, they own guns, they are infected with coronavirus, etc), those armed Americans will be shooting the jack-booted thugs that show up at their doors, attempting to round them up.

    In other words, unlike the disarmed Jews in Nazi Germany, Americans will not go peaceably to the concentration camp.

    Those Americans in Michigan had no intention of shooting anyone. As I have already said, they were showing their armed nature as a warning to the government. They will not start a fight. They will finish it.

  • Andrew_W

    Ian C, as you can see Mr. Zimmerman does not believe that the voters pen is mightier than the M16. If a section of the US population ever decides to usurp the power of government by force, almost certainly it’ll be a duly elected government that’s deeply unpopular with the sections of society that own lots of guns. Which is pretty standard fair the world over for coup d’etats.

  • R7 Rocket

    The liar Andrew_W (who supports communist-style terror-famines) opines:

    ” Ian C, as you can see Mr. Zimmerman does not believe that the voters pen is mightier than the M16. ”

    Neither do you. The M16s of the Deep State overrode the voters pen routinely, such as immigration. Now that the Deep State is trying terror-famines, armed and orderly protests have shown up. And due to the Deep State losing on General Flynn, the Deep State has begun to bleed.

  • wayne

    Andrew_W–
    Please describe for me, the “sections of society that own lots of guns.”
    (I am serious, and I’m not trying to set you up. I would like to know how you demographically categorize these folks.)

    I live in Michigan, I own a ‘deer rifle,’ a shotgun, a “.22 rifle” and an AR-15. (The AR I bought precisely because Obama & his Ilk, wouldn’t shut up about them, and because the .22 rifle is 60 years old and has been shot so many times the rifling is smooth and I couldn’t teach my g-daughter how to properly shoot/aim with it. The AR is more compact but no more powerful.) ((but it looks really, really scary!))
    –I own my own home & car, outright, have a Master’s degree from a State University (and a license to go with it), my deceased wife (cancer) had a MS in Geology and was a working-geologist. My Daughter and son-in-law; both have PhD’s; she is a Research Pharmacologist and her husband is a Chemical-engineer (“top 5 big pharma”)(They both know how to shoot, and live in Virginia.)
    I do not own a snowmobile or a boat, although both are fun. Spent a bit of time working for the County & State, non-profits, and a stint in the private-sector as a co-founder of a profitable business. Volunteered for both the ’80 & ’84 Reagan campaigns in Michigan, and spent a bit of time with the Michigan Libertarian Party in the early 90’s.

  • Cotour

    Andrew W:

    “Ian C, as you can see Mr. Zimmerman does not believe that the voters pen is mightier than the M16. ”

    The pen is mightier than the sword, but only if there is civilization and people have the freedom to interact with and give feed back to their government for redress if redress is needed.

    Once again you see things as a switch, its either on or off, good or bad, right or wrong. That is your failure.

    First we eat, then civilization. You think about that statement and when you come to understand what it in fact means then you will have gone a long way to better understanding what it is that you are commenting on. Your reality exists only between your ears, if what we are talking about is America and what its Constitution indicates and structures. Your reality may apply where you live, but not in America, please attempt to make the distinction.

    So again, the pen IS mightier than the sword, but sometimes when those who in government and leadership forget what it is that they (In America any way) have been hired to do, lead within the structure of the Constitution. Which as its primary instruction is to ensure the freedom of the individual citizens there of and they come to see themselves as the end all and be all. Then at that point the people must be able to retrieve their freedoms from those who have dared to confiscate them.

    And then we understand that at that extreme point in the decay and abuse of power that can or even will exist within government the people must have their mechanism to retake their freedoms. And that is why the Founders included that the people will be armed. Its fundamental to America.

    I encourage you to step back and attempt to understand this once again.

    Q: Would I want to face someone armed literally with an M16 and I had a pen?

    A: No I would not.

    And that is how you present the argument and the solution, in literal terms, and that is just not what is going on.

  • Cotour

    An example of how the pen of the media becomes a tool of the perverted state:

    OUT AND OUT MEDIA FRAUD AND FAKE NEWS

    Once again the Main Stream Media in the form of one Chuck Todd of CBS shows just how deceitful and what liars they have had to become. This is now their meat and potatoes.

    https://youtu.be/ixOXoPUPXJo

    How do you know Trump is being an effective president and acting in the interests of the people of America?

    The majority of those talking heads in Main Stream Media and the politics that they espouse which is identical to every and all proposed anti American Democrat leadership agendas is not your friend America. This kind of out and out fraud and intentional lies by an alleged “respected” and credible journalist must not be allowed to stand.

    The MSM tows the line for the Democrat leadership in their efforts to remove Trump from office because he threatens their Leftist culture of dependency and their power structure and cash flow, they are all now un American.

    And that is as simple as this needs to be seen.

  • Edward

    R7 Rocket,
    You wrote: “And that explains Elon Musk’s greater boldness against the Deep State.

    This is the kind of public opinion held by the people that Col Beausabre is obviously talking about.

    Ian C.,
    You asked: “May I ask you where on the above mentioned scale you would put me?

    If the above mentioned scale is: “‘Democratic Socialist’ [1] to ‘Full-blooded American,’” then I am confused by the scale. “Democratic Socialist” is not well defined but seems to be a political or philosophical concept, and “Full-blooded American” isn’t defined at all and isn’t a political or philosophical concept.

    If I have to answer that question without any further reference as to the landscape of the scale (map of two or more dimensions?), I would have to put you under “blog commenter,” which could include neither, either, or both of the scale’s mentioned concepts. However, you mentioned that you moved to the San Francisco Bay Area from another country, so you possibly do not fall under the “Full-blooded” part of the scale, depending upon your definition.

    You pointed me to the American Revolution and continued to beat around the bush, but you didn’t answer it as well.

    As a reference, this link is where we left off in another thread: https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/ducey-extends-arizona-shut-down-two-weeks/#comment-1080530

    Your entire paragraph explains why you have no answer to the question. You and the others that you spoke with have not even remotely thought out the possibility, the purpose (you once mentioned entertainment value), or the mechanisms (e.g. strategy) of a second American revolution. When I tried to get you to think about this issue, you complained to me that you considered yourself a thinking person but you believe that I do not. You still seem to have not thought about it but instead are saying the equivalent of “I asked you first.”

    To answer my question to you, which you want spoon fed: who did the American revolutionaries shoot at? Many answers are acceptable, “the British” being the most basic, but in context of your original question, “innocent British soldiers” would be a better choice. Soldiers and sailors were sent by the King, who was the one making the decisions that his colonial subjects were revolting against, but he was not available to come under fire. In the Soviet Union, it was again the Soviet military that defended the Soviet White House (their legislature building). Again, those Soviet soldiers had not made any of the bad decisions that led to the empty grocery store shelves or the empty bellies. Robert had a different name that he gives to those who would violate the rights of the citizens that they are supposed to protect.

    So, now that I have had to spoon feed you a little basic history, pease think about and answer the question: who do you suppose would be shot at in another American revolution?

    Second homework assignment: What would necessarily have to come before another American revolution? Hint: the 18th century revolutionaries wrote one, but a modern one would have a different name for the same basic purpose.

    Edward, are you an American?

    Why do you ask a question to which you already know the answer?

  • Ian C.

    Bob,

    those armed Americans will be shooting the jack-booted thugs that show up at their doors, attempting to round them up.

    Thanks. What is the escalation plan in order to win? If the armed Americans shoot at those thugs, will the state not respond with higher firepower and just go Waco on them? Then the armed Americans and the Constitution have kicked the bucket.

    If we treat the 2A as one of the protections of the COTUS, then we should be interested in ways to apply the 2A that help shielding or re-establishing the COTUS (and, as a nice side benefit, let as many Americans as possible live instead of being massacred in shootings w/o a plan). This is my whole concern when I asked “who are they shooting at” and “what’s next?”

    If they engage in individual action, they need to have a plan in place individually. If they indicate availability to form a militia if needed, those who call the militia to be formed (and commanded) need to have a plan. This plan obviously needs to have victory in mind.

    Those Americans in Michigan had no intention of shooting anyone. As I have already said, they were showing their armed nature as a warning to the government.

    Right. This warning needs to be a believable threat. It would be one if one could assume that they know what they’re doing to get what they want. This Gretchen lady obviously didn’t see it as a plausible threat and extended the lockdown until end of May, contrary to the demands of the armed protestors.

    I’m just following Trump’s advice: you either go in to win or you don’t engage. Losing honorable battles with a lot of noise is still losing.

    Cotour,

    Then at that point the people must be able to retrieve their freedoms from those who have dared to confiscate them.

    Since the 19th Century citizens and military aren’t any longer equally matched in firepower. Clearly the lack in firepower needs to be compensated with other (legal, political, media) measures. What roles should the 2A play in such a set of measures?
    Over the years I heard a lot of talk about the 2A. I didn’t hear how to effectively apply the 2A.

    Edward,

    However, you mentioned that you moved to the San Francisco Bay Area from another country

    I’m in Europe. In that case I’m a transatlanticist and have my communities and places distributed over America and Europe. It’s like with those who’ve joined a strange sect and occasionally visit the HQ in a foreign country.
    The Bay Area libertarians are my main community and our kind is somewhat mobile (note that “Bay Area” became over time more of a placeholder for a specific worldview, the people are not necessarily at that place anymore and the community is global). Similar to what is called (by its critics) the “Californian Ideology,” with which it overlaps and that isn’t purely Californian or a unified ideology in the end as well.
    That being said, I enjoy the SFBA a lot. Such a beautiful and fascinating place.

    the purpose (you once mentioned entertainment value)

    Entertainment is a tool, not a purpose.

    now that I have had to spoon feed you a little basic history

    That was trivial actually. I assumed you were hinting at something secret or hidden that requires dedication to obscure aspects of the subject.

    who do you suppose would be shot at in another American revolution?

    Those with superior firepower?

    Second homework assignment

    C’mon, I don’t have time for that. You love to hint at things and make it complicated and feel smug about it. But to answer this w/o looking anything up, perhaps some document that lines out what they protest against and what they aim to establish.

    Why do you ask a question to which you already know the answer?

    Amigo, you could be an illegal (not unlikely, since you’re in CA) whose identification is his recent utility bill and who’s voting for the Democrats so that they give you citizenship faster.

  • Ian C: You questions about a good strategy for winning are good ones. First however you have to make it clear to the enemy that you are willing to fight. Since most of these petty dictators are nothing more than cowardly bullies, a little push back is usually all that is needed. We can already see some success, as state governments are beginning to ease the restrictions willingly, while those that are not are increasingly facing a revolt.

    Moreover, the legal system in the U.S. still holds, mostly. Court suits are also causing these petty dictators problems.

    I think in the end violence will not be necessary. At least, I hope so.

  • Cotour

    Ian C:

    The fact that it exists and is upheld is all that is needed. The people will be armed.

    No one I know of wants to actually go there and test its real world applications.

    But there it is all the same, thank you Founders of these United States, your brilliance and wisdom is unsurpassed in all of history.

  • Edward

    Ian C.,
    Those with superior firepower?

    Actually, I gave you the answer. “innocent British soldiers”” would turn into “innocent American soldiers. Most likely, police and SWAT teams would also be called in before military forces could arrive. I’m not sure that there would be that many soldiers and police on the side of tyranny, as they may arrive and join the revolution, as happened at the downfall of the Soviet Union.

    C’mon, I don’t have time for that.

    I practically gave you the answer to that, too.

    The colonists wrote the Declaration of Independence in order to explain to everyone (colonial soldiers, British soldiers, the king, the rest of the world, and posterity) why the revolution was taking place. It was so well written that it inspired the colonial soldiers. A second revolution would require a similar document, which I will call the Declaration of Liberty. Even Occupy Wherever wrote their Declaration of Millennial Selfishness, or whatever they called it.

    Sometimes it is important to learn from history so that it can be repeated, when necessary, with improvements the next time around.

    Strategy and tactics depend upon the adversary. Right now, it is some of the states that are the most tyrannical, but the national government has its significant problems, too. Done right, the Declaration of Liberty would convince most of the military and police that the government has been turned into the tyranny warned of in the Declaration of Independence (“That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it“), and rather than “secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity,” as ourConstitution’s Preamble states,our tyrannical dictators strip us of that liberty. We need only some small alterations to restore our liberty.

    Everyone seems to assume that shooting will be inevitable, but American ingenuity could result in a bloodless recovery of our country and our liberty. Soldiers who swore to uphold the U.S. Constitution as well as police and others who swore to uphold state constitutions, too, would not be difficult to turn, once it is shown that the Constitution has been so badly violated. Other American patriots could be recruited to wreak havoc on any response by our tyrannical dictators.

    As Robert noted, the tyrannical dictators really don’t have much to back them up other than the military and the police, so a revolution against the current tyranny (tyrannies?) may occur quickly and be over before the next hourly radio news report. Asimov once wrote something like “violence is the last refuge of the incompetent.” I certainly hope that we Americans are competent.

    A revolution is not the hard part for us. The hard part is setting the definition and limitations of our governance, either at the federal or state level. If we are to reset our government to before the tyranny, then what needs to be retained and what needs to be eliminated? What Supreme Court rulings need to be voided?

  • Ian C.

    Bob,

    I agree. It worked well so far, it will likely continue to work well.

    Edward,

    they may arrive and join the revolution, as happened at the downfall of the Soviet Union.

    Perhaps. Personally I’d bet on that. But it’s still a bet and I’m usually interested in improving the odds. That’s why I got lost in practical issues.

    Sometimes it is important to learn from history so that it can be repeated, when necessary, with improvements the next time around.

    This is a nice statement. Love it. Regarding the rest you wrote, thanks a lot for writing it up. I appreciate that very much. There’s nothing from my side to add. I share that optimism, too.

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