The Las Vegas shooting, based on police radio communications
This detailed analysis of the police radio traffic during the Las Vegas shooting dispels many of the absurd rumors about what happened, based on actual data.
I spent some time today listening to the audio feed of the police radio traffic for about 90 minutes following the start of the active killer event on Sunday night. If you are interested in active killer response, either from the police or armed citizen perspective, this audio is pure gold. In general, the police had a stellar response. Being able to hear how it played out is an incredible resource for anyone studying the topic.
This article is primarily written for my police readers, but has some very important insights for my armed citizen readers as well.
The post includes the full audio if you wish to hear it yourself. One tidbit that news reports are not covering: “It appears that the shooter had stopped firing by the time the officers isolated him to his room. Most likely, patrol officers would have forced entry into the room if the killer had been firing on their arrival.” This is only about eleven minutes after the first 911 call.
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This detailed analysis of the police radio traffic during the Las Vegas shooting dispels many of the absurd rumors about what happened, based on actual data.
I spent some time today listening to the audio feed of the police radio traffic for about 90 minutes following the start of the active killer event on Sunday night. If you are interested in active killer response, either from the police or armed citizen perspective, this audio is pure gold. In general, the police had a stellar response. Being able to hear how it played out is an incredible resource for anyone studying the topic.
This article is primarily written for my police readers, but has some very important insights for my armed citizen readers as well.
The post includes the full audio if you wish to hear it yourself. One tidbit that news reports are not covering: “It appears that the shooter had stopped firing by the time the officers isolated him to his room. Most likely, patrol officers would have forced entry into the room if the killer had been firing on their arrival.” This is only about eleven minutes after the first 911 call.
On Christmas Eve 1968 three Americans became the first humans to visit another world. What they did to celebrate was unexpected and profound, and will be remembered throughout all human history. Genesis: the Story of Apollo 8, Robert Zimmerman's classic history of humanity's first journey to another world, tells that story, and it is now available as both an ebook and an audiobook, both with a foreword by Valerie Anders and a new introduction by Robert Zimmerman.
The ebook is available everywhere for $5.99 (before discount) at amazon, or direct from my ebook publisher, ebookit. If you buy it from ebookit you don't support the big tech companies and the author gets a bigger cut much sooner.
The audiobook is also available at all these vendors, and is also free with a 30-day trial membership to Audible.
"Not simply about one mission, [Genesis] is also the history of America's quest for the moon... Zimmerman has done a masterful job of tying disparate events together into a solid account of one of America's greatest human triumphs."--San Antonio Express-News
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Why didn’t a hundred or so of the intended victims fire back? 32nd floor is a difficult target, but the amount of people firing back from such a crowd should’ve compensated. Had the victims been forced to disarm themselves by some who collaborated with the mass murderer???
You’re making a joke, aren’t you LocalFluff?
LocalFluff: I suspect you do not own a gun, or have never been trained in its use. To have pulled out a pistol in that mob scene to attempt to fire at a window on the 32nd floor would have made everyone around you, including the police, see you as a big target and a threat. It would have gotten you killed, for no purpose. The right approach, which the armed police and security people quickly followed, was to converge on the gunman at his location.
Wel, imagine yourself in such a scene. People are being shot on all sides, spinning about, falling, screaming. Maybe maybe maybe you can get a feeling that the shots are coming from some quadrant on your left or right, but beyond that? To recognize that the firing comes from one particular window on the 32nd floor of a building a quarter mile distant? I’m not sure that Superman could narrow things down that well.
And if you have made that recognition, what do you do? The gunman was firing at a crowd of 20 thousand people, without particularly concerning himself with individuals. You’re proposing to whip out your trusty hand gun and fire a couple of bullets that smash into one person, barely visible, 1400 feet away. Pretty fancy shooting! You do that every week at your friendly pistol range, you and six of your casual acquaintences?
If several hundreds out of the 10 000s fired back, at that obviously broken window, it should’ve become uncomfortable to stand in that window. Some out of the thousands of bullets would’ve hit. Now this maniac seems to have been allowed to fire during a much longer time than it takes for a crowd to locate him and fire back. Was the crowd forbidden to carry guns?
It is an advantage for the defense that the murderer fired from another plane that the crowd. Free to fire at. The police was obviously not present at the time. And the broken window of the murderer looks obvious on the press images I’ve seen. No lack of lighting in Las Vegas.
And as I said, allowing people to carry fully automatic assault rifles would’ve saved alot of lives in LV. Weapons efficient for killing enemies through a concrete wall with well aimed precision. Why were there no fully automatic rifles in the audience?
With proper training, anyone can learn to hit targets a few hundreds of meters away with a high powered rifle.
With all the training in the world, few can learn to hit targets 100 meters higher or lower than themselves. Sights are set for level ground, and when you tilt the gun upward or downward, the trajectory is non-rigid and changes completely.
This is assuming that people can even see the target.
Or that the police and others are going to leave them alone to do it.
Or that they somehow aren’t going to hit neighboring rooms, etc.
The killer’s choice of terrain would be absolutely terrible if he was just trying to kill an individual. But since he had an area target, his choice was effective.
It sounds like LocalFluff watches too many action films.
Robert Zimmerman:
“I suspect you do not own a gun, or have never been trained in its use. “
Well, you suspect wrong, Mr. Zimmerman. As you often do. It is sometimes painful listening to how you are making up guesses about astronomy on the John Batchelor Shown. Makes me suspect the competence of all of his other guests too.
Like all able Swedish men in my age, I have a one year military training. I have one year training as military police anti-sabotage jaeger at the Royal Guard of the King of Sweden. If I had been there om LV and not killed the murderer within five seconds, my Rittmeister would’ve gotten angry at me. So that is not even an option.
Charles Whitman
https://youtu.be/Jy1B5mfzCBA
43:50
LocalFluff-
Holy cow dude– get a grip on yourself
“..allowing people to carry fully automatic assault rifles..”
What’s an assault rifle? no such thing, and machine-guns are already outlawed for civilian possession in the USA (without a Class 3 license) and have been so since the 1930’s.
What caliber do you think, goes through cement walls?
LocalFluff: I stand corrected. I also will state as someone also trained in the use of firearms I find your approach to their use somewhat nonchalant. In actual combat your approach might work. In a terrorist situation as seen in Las Vegas, it would have been a very bad decision.
Charles Whitman
That is the problem. If one outlaws assault rifles, the enemy will only use assault rifles from positions which are hard to hit without assault rifles. And on the concert in question, maybe all kinds of firearms were banned? Such a very dangerous decision by a host of a concert, which easily can lead to a massacre, must only be made if the host takes care of safety by placing snipers on the roof tops around.
Your DO think it is right to shoot a mass murderer to death, don’t you? You are maybe just focused on the hat. I think that there are more important to kill the murderer, than to only care about what hat the one who does it wears. That one of a policeman or a baseball cap.
The argument that it would be bad to return fire, is very disturbing. It reveals a deep hate against life, a blind faith in government as God, helplessness.
‘fluff–
Not advocating the shooter not be killed, as quickly as is feasible. Just that, concert-goers returning fire to the 32nd floor, from 1,200 feet away, is a bit dramatic…. like a Movie.
–I still don’t know what an “assault rifle” is, why adopt the language of the gun-haters?
@wayne
Assault rifle, for God’s sake! The Germans invented it 73 years ago and Hitler himself invented the term Sturmgewehr = assault rifle. AK47 is a famous example, if you ever heard of it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_rifle
Being shot at is “pretty dramatic”! Doing everything to stop it is the prudent conservative careful way of handling such a situation. And shooting towards the window is the best life saving measure that could be taken. Once bullets fly through the shooters window, he might pull back instinctively, even if not directly hit. This guy had never been under fire.
When taking handgun training courses, one should remember to include firing at sky scrapers. Simply sitting in a tree allows you to watch down on the enemy walking right under you without noticing anything. It is a bit amazing to actually experience it. People don’t look up. All mass murderers must be expected to use only assault rifles only from skyscrapers in all states which illegalize honest people to carry assault rifles. making all defense pretty useless, although blasting off the handgun is better than defenselessly allowing oneself and the loved ones being hit and killed.
I’ll certainly have a look at whatever reconstruction of the events as it emerges in the coming days. Where was the hotel security unit? It seems much could’ve been done to stop this much quicker. More guns on the streets are clearly needed. And people need encouragement to use them to kill.
LocalFluff–
Are you allowed to have a weapon in your home, in Sweden? (Don’t you guys have a huge Rape problem in Sweden? How’s all that “gun-control” working for ya?)
Yepper, those whacky Germans, have a word for everything. But, why adopt the language of Nazi’s? (and by extension, the Left)
Much like my AR, you can buy civilian-versions of the AK, neither of which are automatic. Both look scary, but if you break in my house, I’m using the deer rifle or shotgun, ‘cuz those will stop you in your tracks. (you only get to bleed all over my carpet, if you die in the process.)
@wayne
Hunting rifles, impractical in combat, are very common in Sweden, outside of all towns.
No legal weapon has ever been used in any murder in Sweden, to my knowledge. Sweden is completely open to bring in any illegal weapon, since we don’t have any kind of border controls and no kind of implementation of any kind of law. The other day a Kalashnikov was found hidden in a school yard next to where I live in Malmoe southern Sweden. The islamists hide weapons here and there to be picked up before their armed robberies or terror attacks. Because if they are caught by the Swedish police while carrying a Kalashnikov, they might risk up to 12 hours of detainment before they are let free again.
Just to give you a glimpse of how European politicians are deliberately destroying Europa, take this: The Swedisg customs is forbidden by the government to do anything against incoming vehicles with four or more passengers, because the customs can never mobilize more than four persons at any check point. So for their safety, they are not allowed to stop any car with more than four passengers. Because the arms smugglers are obviously armed! Swedish customs is unarmed.
Because the arapes lie that they are less than 18 years old and then the police cannot keep them captive no matter what. No politician has suggested changing this rule to let all murderers who baselessly lie that they are younger than 18 are always let free immediately. It is politically impossible to change that law. Many who lie that they are 17 have been physiologically proven to be older than 30, but that evidence is not considered by Swedish courts, which are populated by uneducated politicians, not by real judges.
Temporary police harassment is however somewhat operationally annoying for the islamists, so they simply hide their weapons in the bushes at school yards instead. They lose some of them, but it’s cheaper than being temporarily held up by the police for walking around as an apparent terrorist. There’s no lack of illegal weapons in Sweden, since we have totally open borders with Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya so they hide several weapons in public places and hope that at least one of them is available when they commit their violent crime. Hand granades have become popular in Sweden. A great self-defense weapon!
Good questions:
https://youtu.be/5ahA8wu0Ngc
What are the answers?
FBI sting / Fast And Furious type operation gone bad? Paddock some kind of FBI operative / agent? And what do we hear about it? Chirp, chirp, chirp…………………..nothing.
Why 23 high powered weapons in his hotel room? I could understand 2 or 3, but not 23.
https://squawker.org/world/breaking-las-vegas-police-insider-posts-on-4chan-reveals-stephen-paddocks-motive/
This is what this Las Vegas shooting is sounding more and more like, some kind of FBI deal gone wrong. What we can all agree on is that none of this makes any kind of sense, until you add in these proposed scenario’s and motivations. If true the question remains, who and where are the real shooters / shooter?
The FBI seems like it is at the foundation of a lot of questionable activities, from questionable presidential politics and investigations to stings gone wrong.
Cotour–
I’m not even in to guns, but I have 4 of them. So I don’t give much weight to the number (alone) the LV shooter owned.Not ready to go all Alex Jones on this, yet, but something certainly is being covered up, big time.
Of that, I am positive.
Concurrently, all our Federal Government institutions have been intentionally politicized & well-staffed with America-haters, over the past 8 years, and all those people still go to work every day.
No clue what the LV Sheriff is up to, he’s an obvious liar & dissembler. An unskilled liar, but a LIAR HE IS. He appointed himself Chief Narrative Manipulator, in order to “calm the public,”
He perhaps, needs to see what life in a Nevada prison, is actually like.
You can read it all on the face of the sheriff, especially as the FBI handler stands behind him. I obviously do not know exactly what is what but we can certainly agree that it is not what has been presented.
That one statement stands out like a sore thumb “To keep the public calm”, not share actual evidence but to keep the public calm. I have a feeling that the public is going to be expressing itself in some very strong and assertive ways in the coming elections.
Cotour-
At a minimum- the Toxicology report on this LV guy should be released. Just let us know what exactly this guy had in him & how much.
I want to see the statement from the alleged hero guy as well.
And, I want to see their video, all their video, uncut, with time-stamps.
(I realize this isn’t “NCIS-LV,” [with Abbie & McGheek style computer-wizardry] but the whole town is surveilled 24/7. This guy’s activities, especially inside the hotel, can perhaps be tracked at a ridiculously granular level compared with previous events in other setting’s.)
“What’s He Building In There?”
Tom Waits’
https://youtu.be/JaLjwSpZ6Cs
3:23
The only thing I do know, is that somebody is intentionally lying.
Does this FBI scenario and activity sound familiar?
https://youtu.be/HFHLNpARrq8
Its like the Las Vegas shooting never happened. When am I going to see the video that Paddock took of himself shooting out the hotel window?
Now, lets get back to the Vegas shooting and why it did not make sense then but may now.
Read this: https://addisabram.wordpress.com/2017/11/09/was-las-vegas-a-saudi-crown-prince-salman-assassination-attempt/
And listen to this: Yes, its Alex, Alex knows his history: https://youtu.be/1_tRFO1r_-s
This all ties in with the now known battle between Prince Al Waleed who is now arrested and being held in the Saudi Ritz Calton and Prince Bin Salman who is now the big boss and has the key to the Ritz Carlton.
This appears to be why the FBI or the police have no comment. Paddock apparently was a minor player and was set up and this is about world restructuring as per Trump and his arrangements with the new Saudi power structure.
This makes some sense now, Al Waleed owned the 32 floor of the Mandalay Bay, Paddock apparently was running guns for him. Prince Bin Salman was also in Vegas at the Tropicana as per the first article I posted and this shooting was either a hit or an attempt at diversion in order to make a hit on Bin Salman (Who has Al Waleed locked in a hotel prison).
Sounds crazy but it adds up given what we know now about the events going on in Saudi Arabia.
(Al Waleed is a Wahabbi. Salman is Suni, Wahabbi is extreme Islam. Wahabbism is what Obama was supporting through his weakness and treasonous thinking)
Cotour: This is interesting, if true. It also has a certain logic to it that makes sense, given the known facts. However, the article doesn’t provide enough source material, as yet, to convince me. I especially would want the source of information for stating bin Salman was in Las Vegas that night.
I have heard that Bin Salman was also in Vegas before. If you look into the activities in the other hotels on the strip you will find evidence of other possible gun play and a body in a lobby and heavily armed police marching through apparently looking for someone and not in the Mandalay Bay.
The facts are still not nailed down but given Bin Salmans actions it makes very good sense now, and I know that Al Waleed was a big investor and he probably does own a chunk of Mandalay. This restructuring of the power balance in the world staring with Trump and his new directives sets it all off. This is the necessary cost of real leadership and not the weak leadership of the many, many previous years.
2018 will be by no means or measure a boring year.
Like from another planet.
https://youtu.be/h7Q1Q9x433g
The new boss is not like the old boss.
How IT goes down on the other planet:
https://youtu.be/r2KYQWPUbG4
Its a very different reality and the new Saudi leadership sees Trump in a much better light than they saw Obama. America changes its leadership and Saudi Arabia catches a cold. Remember that timing is everything in life and the timing for Al Waleed has not worked out.
https://youtu.be/ORe1v1Q8Ijs
Things that interest me related to the Las Vegas shooting:
Warning Graphic pictures: http://fsbuq.com/warning-graphic-leaked-photos-from-the-hotel-room-of-stephen-paddock-las-vega/
1. Paddock shoots himself in the mouth and through the top / back at aprox. 45 degrees or so of his head and falls to the floor (assuming he was standing) on top of one rifle which we see under his left thigh. OK.
Q: Why / how does that other rifle which his left foot and leg are UNDER get there? I think blowing your brains out is a fairly violent and convulsive activity, Paddock looks like he just laid down and went to sleep.
2. The pistol which I assume was the gun that he killed himself with sits what looks like 4 feet away from the TOP of his head 180 degrees from where it started. How does that get there? I would think that a gun held up to ones mouth at aprox. 45 degrees and fired would more than likely be found in front of or to the side of a person located in proximity to ones hand who’s finger is through the trigger that did the shooting. I suppose that through the resulting convulsions that an arm could launch the gun to an over head position, but again, Paddock looks like he just laid down for a nap.
3. Interestingly if you scroll down below the picture of Paddock’s head shot you can read a request form made by the MGM CEO which owns Mandalay Bay (The Al Waleed connection?) for donations that will be matched to CAIR, a Muslim organization that has less than a stellar reputation in America.
http://imowired.com/saudi-prince-alwaleed-bin-talal-arrested/
4. MGM CEO sold shares weeks before the event. http://imowired.com/mgm-stock-selloff-and-saudi-connections-to-mandalay-bay/
5. FBI agent Rouse was recently reassigned to Las Vegas in 2016, his specialty? Counter intelligence. Interesting, expecting special international problems? Always be prepared.
6. The door between the two suites where the shooting was done was locked from the other side, how did Paddock move between them to efficiently do the shooting? Did he have to go out into the hall to the other room to shoot? How do we know this? The police had to breach the door between the rooms with explosives, Paddocks main room into the next. And the second window does not avail Paddock of any advantage in shooting angle.
7. Two windows for one shooter, 27 high powered rifles hauled up to a hotel room with 5000 rounds of ammo, probably 450 plus pounds of equipment for one man to shoot up Las Vegas. Really?
Recognizing that this is a lot of abductive reasoning related to this event and the very interesting unaccounted for information that surrounds it we still are hard pressed to believe what common sense tells us is not reasonable. Crazy is crazy but what we are witnessing more and more is what we consider to be “crazy” turning out to be reality, its all related IMO, the shootings, politics, corruption and the like.
Anything in the quest for acquisition or retention of power. ANYTHING.
Two more questions:
1. We do not see Paddocks other hand or the entire death scene, I want to see that and the resulting forensic reports. Paddock appears to be right handed, shot himself with his right hand, I want to see his right hand and the report related to it.
2. It was stated that Paddock had the entire room and hallway set up for video, I want to see the video of him as the sole shooter. Case closed, crazy man shooting indiscriminately from his hotel room window for what ever crazy assed reason was coursing through his brain.
Until that happens there is more to this story and not less.
Not looking good for Prince Bin Talal.
It does not look like he was offered the opportunity to buy his freedom by Prince Bin Salman they have now moved him to a real prison. This is coordinated with the new Western paradigm shift in Saudi Arabia in its drive to this new more flexible modern version.
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/12/billionaire-saudi-prince-alwaleeds-time-is-running-out-commentary.html
Bin Salman also confiscated the Binladen Construction company, it would not surprise me if we hear soon of the arrest or demise of Binladens oldest son / sons.