The president and the Democrats lied us into a bad law.
“The president and the Democrats lied us into a bad law.”
The Right opposed the law on principle. A single party — the Democrats — own this law in a way that no party has had complete ownership of any major social legislation in a century. They bought this legislation with deceit and the GOP said so. Now that it is going into effect, the facts on the ground are confirming that deceit. Moreover, the same haughty condescending bureaucrats and politicians who told us they were smart enough and tech-savvy enough to do just about anything are being exposed as incompetent political hacks.
And remember: This same President and those same Democrats re-affirmed their support of Obamacare less than one month ago by insisting on shutting the government down rather than agree to even the slightest revision of this disaster of a law.
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“The president and the Democrats lied us into a bad law.”
The Right opposed the law on principle. A single party — the Democrats — own this law in a way that no party has had complete ownership of any major social legislation in a century. They bought this legislation with deceit and the GOP said so. Now that it is going into effect, the facts on the ground are confirming that deceit. Moreover, the same haughty condescending bureaucrats and politicians who told us they were smart enough and tech-savvy enough to do just about anything are being exposed as incompetent political hacks.
And remember: This same President and those same Democrats re-affirmed their support of Obamacare less than one month ago by insisting on shutting the government down rather than agree to even the slightest revision of this disaster of a law.
On Christmas Eve 1968 three Americans became the first humans to visit another world. What they did to celebrate was unexpected and profound, and will be remembered throughout all human history. Genesis: the Story of Apollo 8, Robert Zimmerman's classic history of humanity's first journey to another world, tells that story, and it is now available as both an ebook and an audiobook, both with a foreword by Valerie Anders and a new introduction by Robert Zimmerman.
The ebook is available everywhere for $5.99 (before discount) at amazon, or direct from my ebook publisher, ebookit. If you buy it from ebookit you don't support the big tech companies and the author gets a bigger cut much sooner.
The audiobook is also available at all these vendors, and is also free with a 30-day trial membership to Audible.
"Not simply about one mission, [Genesis] is also the history of America's quest for the moon... Zimmerman has done a masterful job of tying disparate events together into a solid account of one of America's greatest human triumphs."--San Antonio Express-News
Ya know, even after years of listening to Americans do it, I’m still a little befuddled that you act surprised when a politician lies.
They’re politicians.. it’s what they do.
No-one has ever changed their opinion of a politician as a result of hearing that they’re big fat liars. We know. We all know. Already.
You are much younger than I, I suspect. Believe me, there was once a time when the lying by politicians was nothing like it is today. Once, they understood that if they treated the voters like total fools, they would pay a very quick penalty at the voting booth. Once, politicians understood that they had be somewhat clever about their lies, and not so blatant.
Sadly, that is no longer the case. Too many modern Americans are quite willing to accept any lies told to them by their political leaders, merely because they happen to belong to the party the voter belongs to. Today, too many Americans are quite willing to play the fool, all in the name of party loyalty. It is quite shameful.
Mr. Waddington, your comment harkens back to the time when Bill Clinton stood up before the whole country, wagged his finger, and declared “I did not have sex with that woman.” When it was revealed he had lied, his supporters in the media began arguing that lying was harmless and even beneficial — anything they could do to preserve his time in office. Funny thing about lying, though. When it affects you personally and harmfully, you tend to take it seriously. I agree with Robert. It is shameful what this administration and this president do on a daily and continual basis. Obamacare was never about healthcare. It is about taking over our lives, forcing our dependency on government, robbing us of choice and freedom, and destroying our spirit and love of liberty. In other words, Obamacare is based, fundamentally, on lies. You might find this harmless and inoffensive, but I suspect at some point — when this monstrosity begins to affect how you live and how you obtain essentially or urgent healthcare — you will begin to understand the importance of truth in government. Meanwhile, pardon us while we fight this intrusion on our freedom in every way we can.
James Carvil is now spinning for the president along those same lines “the president didn’t really say what you heard him say about your insurance.
What a disgrace, on so many levels.
PS: The esteemed Ronan Farrow (Mia Farrow and or Frank Sinatra or Woody Allen’s son) who apparently is one of the new talking heads that the people of America will be looking towards for guidance in the coming decades has this to say on the subject
“people are looking for the honesty of the Clintons in America today”.
Let me properly interpret that for you, his point is that the people of America are much more comfortable with how both the Clintons lie as opposed to how Mr. Obama lies. Its a level of competence and commitment to the lie, its quality. IMO you could also interpret Mr. Farrows statement as being racist. How dare he insinuate that a “black” “American” can not lie at the same level and with the same competence as a white American!
Al Sharpton needs to do some investigations into Mr. Farrow to see what he really meant so he can clarify his statement.
As I mentioned recently in a different comment stream, my esteem for George Orwell now grows with each new day.
Once upon a time, only four decades ago, a president told a lie to the US public. Many Americans changed their opinion of him. He had to resign in shame in order to avoid being impeached.
Lying was not always accepted by the American people, and it still isn’t. It is really only those who belong to one party who accept lies — and they accept them only from those of the same party. One would have to wonder what criteria such people use in order to choose who to vote for in the primary elections, clearly it isn’t what they say. We already know that in general elections such people will blindly vote for the person with a certain party listed next to their name.
Sigh. Clinton told many thousands of lies.. as all politicians do.
He got taken to task on one because he was under oath.
Bob, your rosy recollection of days gone by are, I suspect, merely a result of your earlier naivety. They were lying to you then as much as they’re lying to you now.
Politicians are psychopaths. Those are the only people attracted to the job. Democracy is a process of deciding which psychopaths to give unlimited power to. That’s why the founding fathers rejected it.
You make the false assumption that cultures and societies (and the people in them) are frozen, never change, and are always the same. They are not. As I said in the first sentence of Leaving Earth, “Societies change.” There was once a Soviet Union. It is gone. There was once a NAZI Germany. It is gone. Both disappeared, but in very different ways. Yet, the nations where these societies existed still stand, speaking the same language with many of the same cultural roots. What has changed in each, however, is still fundamental.
Similarly, there was once an American culture that strongly honored honesty and morality. That is gone. Nixon was kicked out of office in 1974 because that old society existed. Clinton was not in the 1990s because we were in transition into the new far less moral society.
And Obama might get away with his far more brazen lies in the 2010s because America is even far less moral than it was in the 1990s.
Nixon and Clinton suffered a cost due to their lies because they were caught up in certain legalities related to those lies that they told or associated illegal actions. Nixon was “not a crook” and Clinton “did not have sexual relations with that woman”, but they flew too close to the flame of the legal system. Obama is flying in the upper atmosphere of ideology and is practiced at not being dirtied by the everyday filth that covers everyone else.
Obamas problem is that, and it is ironic, he has been recorded over and over and over again purposefully misleading and yes blatantly lying to the public with abandon on the subject of his name sake law. He may well pay a heavy price for this arrogance and disrespect. But he has not done anything, that I am aware of, that is illegal. Is he an enemy of the Constitution? I believe so, but he, for the moment is “clean”. That may change in the future.
And you both make very substantial points, most all politicians are either egomaniacs and or psychopaths and that was understood by the founders and what they created was certainly designed to counter balance that fact. And our country, like it or not is certainly changing, that is an absolute of the universe, there will be change. The grass is never greener and we can never go back to “a better time”.
Know the game, play the game, win the game.
Know the game, play the game, win the game.
Change the game.
The democrat party has been expert at these games, especially at the game of changing language and disengaging a willing portion of the electorate, as far as the lies go, Obama makes the Clinton’s look like pure amateurs, they are not of course!
Nixon was thrown out because his political opponents caught him doing something he could be thrown out for. If it was for doing something moral and just they would have thrown him out just as readily.
Politicians want power and they’ll do anything to get it.
This has *always* been the case. It’s almost the definition.
Its always about power, the game consists of accumulating as much power as possible. Therefore when your opponents find you vulnerable, with your pants down, they are obligated to take back power that they have surrendered. Nixon was caught with his pants down and paid the price. All’s fair in love and war.
Morality optional.
Both you and Trent are talking about the morality of the politicians. I was not. I was talking about the overall morality of the general American public, and how that sense of morality has changed over time.
When the American public had a strong sense of morality, politicians who lied paid for those lies more quickly and more easily. Consider: not only did Nixon get kicked out of office, but the Republican party was decimated in the 1974 and 1976 elections for taking too long to throw him out. The public was disgusted with what Nixon did and how the Republicans of that time defended him and responded appropriately at the ballot box.
Today, it is questionable whether a majority of Americans are even paying attention or care. There has definitely been a decline in American culture in the past half century, which is why a liar like Obama has been able to get away with those lies for so long.
“He got taken to task on one because he was under oath.”
Clinton got taken to task by the press that you listen to because they could no longer defend all of the lies that the rest of us had been complaining about. You may have missed those complaints because you may have been listening only to friends and news media who defended him no matter what he did. My mother is one of those people. She, too, only listens to those whom she agrees with, otherwise her friends would kick her out of their happy group, and she changes her opinions when the rest of her group does. That is how it works. You’re either with them or your shunned. These groups could not defend Clinton on that obvious lie.
“Nixon was thrown out because his political opponents caught him doing something he could be thrown out for.”
Nixon was not thrown out. He resigned in shame, there is an important difference in that distinction. He did something dishonorable, but he remained an honorable man.
Nixon resigned because he lost respect from We the People, not just political opponents.
“Politicians want power and they’ll do anything to get it.”
Yes, including sell out the American people’s healthcare in order to get greater control over that healthcare. What we really need are the citizen representatives that our founders imagined we would have, not these career politicians — tyrants, really — who think that they will remain in control of our lives once they have gained that control. (They are probably right, too.)
As to Robert saying that We the People have changed, and more of us seem to accept lies from our politicians: I sincerely hope he is wrong and that we have a chance of recovering control over our government, our healthcare, and our lives.
I will add that I also hope I am wrong. At the same time, I must be honest and look at things as they are. And from what I can tell, I am increasingly pessimistic.