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Trying to predict the outcome of today’s election in today’s world of shallow emotions and partisan bickering is beyond impossible. The pollsters, generally favoring the Democrats, have for months slanted their results to favor Joe Biden. The conservative press, desperate to grasp at any straw, has in turn focused on the early voting numbers, broken down by party, to claim that Trump is leading.

I really don’t know which is right, at this moment. Moreover, there is a lot of evidence that we will not even have a result by the end of tonight.

However, I still would like to make some predictions, because there are some things we know are very likely to happen, regardless of who wins the election.

First, should Donald Trump win the White House, even by a vast majority, there will be riots and protests on the streets by the Democratic Party’s storm-trooper wings of Antifa and BLM. Businesses will be burned and looted, homes smashed, and ordinary people attacked, merely because these spoiled brats did not get the election results they wanted.

Similarly, the spoiled brats in the Democratic Party will refuse to accept the results, no matter how large the margin of Trump’s victory. Instead, they will claim “voter suppression” and voter fraud, with absolutely no evidence, claiming the election was stolen from them. Rather than reassess their political agenda, they will scream and yell, demanding that the result be changed to their desired outcome, merely because, like the looters and rioters, they did not get the election result they wanted.

Kamala Harris calling for more riots
VP candidate and California senator Kamala Harris
calling for more riots.

Nor will things be much different should Joe Biden win, but it won’t be Republicans rioting or denying without evidence the results of the election. Instead, we will still get Antifa and BLM riots and looting and violence, because they will now see themselves in charge, and will wish to cement that power by intimidation and threats. Moreover, this jack-booted violence will be egged on by the newly empowered Democratic Party. They won, and therefore anyone who might have even considered opposing them must be a Nazi that these thugs have a right to punch.

At the same time, the Democratic Party will immediately use the endorsement of the electorate to firm up its hold on power, just as socialists and communists have done worldwide repeatedly, every single time the electorate made the terrible mistake of voting them into power. They will move to pass laws that will make it hard for people to oppose them. And for those that do try to oppose them they will work to remove such people from positions of power. Expect the spread of cancel culture throughout all levels of society, based not on opposing real misbehavior but on the simple act of disagreeing with the ruling Democrats.

Things will then go down hill very rapidly, as they did in Venezuela and Russia and Germany and Italy and Chile and North Korea and anywhere else shallow-minded leftists gained control. Their goal really isn’t making a better society for everyone, no matter what they claim. Instead, what they really want is power and control to bully everyone else, while structuring society so that any of society’s steadily dwindling wealth will funnel into their pockets, and their pockets alone.

Remember, in Soviet Russia roadways had dedicated lanes reserved only for Communist Party officials. Expect the same kind of favoritism to occur under the socialist paradise of the modern American Democratic Party, led by people like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Ilan Omar.

Don’t believe me? Then you have been living in a hole for the past four years. Everything the Democratic Party and its minions have done since Trump was first elected in 2016 tells us that they can no longer tolerate any opposition, and given power they will use it to make sure that opposition will never again be able to stop them.

This is the future to expect, one way of the other. We can only hope it is the former, because at least in that case the citizens of the United States will have taken the first step in defeating these power-hungry thugs.


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  • Skunk Bucket

    I used to dismiss conservative claims that the Left was planning to use its power to shut down further opposition and perhaps even end future elections, but things (and my opinions) have changed over the last four years. With Pantifa, BLM, Kamala and The Squad leading the Democrat party, I would no longer put it past them to at least give it a try. I thinks the days of our being “the loyal opposition” need to be past us. It’s time to fight. Not necessarily literally (I hope and pray it doesn’t come to that), but we can’t afford to give the Left the benefit of the doubt about their intentions.

  • Steve Richter

    I welcome being wrong. But no way Trump wins this election. The get out the vote effort by the media, the establishment and democrat party are more than enough to give them total victory.

  • Cotour

    Trump wins, what comes after that will be dealt with as needed and with federal charges.

    Then we move positively into the future.

  • Steve Richter

    “…. Not necessarily literally (I hope and pray it doesn’t come to that), but we can’t afford to give the Left the benefit of the doubt about their intentions. …”

    the democrats are going to do terrible damage to America. The country cannot continue to print and borrow money to fund all the deficit spending. But the alternative of reducing the handouts is impossible, if simply because of the resulting violence. So there will be confiscatory taxes. Which in turn causes serious economic problems. Followed by ambitious China seizing Taiwan.

  • Mitch S.

    So what happened to Arizona, people moving in from CA or a homegrown Democrat shift?

  • John

    We may have to wait a long time. I’m hearing reports that WI won’t announce tonight, MI needs until Friday. Who knows what PA will do.

    Seems the USA is forgetting how to count votes.

  • wayne

    Biden has to steal the 3 county metroplex known as Detroit (Macomb, Oakland, and Wayne Counties) where almost 50% of the entire State’s voters reside.)
    (Rashida Tlaib represents Macomb County)

  • Ian C.

    Okay, this is bad but it was expected. Next to the usual games they suddenly stopped counting. And Trump just stated that he won the election and it’s in the process of getting robbed.


    (Can those people please stop cheering and clapping and instead listen to what he says? He’s effectively saying that they’re going to war with the riggers and fraudsters.)

  • Richard M

    I will confess that I’d just assumed all along, since COVID happened, that Trump was toast.

    I just didn’t think the polls could be THAT wrong. Because they *haven’t* been, in my entire lifetime.

    But then, well, consider the final mainstream Ohio polls:

    Quinnipiac: Biden +4
    Emerson: Biden +1
    Quinnipiac: Biden +5

    Trump, with 99% reporting, winning by +8

    In short, QPac blew a critical swing state by double digits. DOUBLE DIGITS.

    If pollsters lived by the bushido code, there should be data crunchers at Quinnipiac preparing to commit seppuku.

    h/t Kimberly Strassel

  • LocalFluff

    The re-elected president dance together with the millions of the people that have elected him. Twice.
    How stoopid the guy who thought that dementia Biden could beat him.

    Young man, there’s no need to feel down
    I said, young man, pick yourself off the ground
    I said, young man, ’cause you’re in a new town
    There’s no need to be unhappy

  • LocalFluff

    The guy in charge, liksom.
    Even a dog smells it. If dogs could talk, would any dog beg his master to vote for Biden? (Perhaps for the chance of eating the bones, maybe).

  • sippin_bourbon

    Not looking good for the home team.

  • James Street

    So vote counting suddenly stopped in Democrat governed states where Trump was ahead by a lot.

    Now it will be fought in the courts. This may be Trump’s finest hour.

  • pzatchok

    Trumps not looking good. By the numbers.

    A sad sad sad day.

    My 401K is going to tank.

  • wayne

    “We’re Pulling Out And Pushing Forward!!”
    Kelly’s Heroes

  • Cotour

    From the real world:

    You will be hearing about some unusual situations regarding the vote. This morning a friend calls me, he lives in River Head, Long Island, NY. He was on line to vote at the local library, he goes in and the man operating the location askes him: “What party are you?”.

    He says: “Why are you asking me that? You should not be asking me that question.”

    They had Republicans going to one table and Democrats going to another. That seems to defeat the secret ballot, no?

    That right there is a BIG red flag to me.

  • janyuary

    As people on all sides are observing, America is greatly divided right now. It is wrong though, to think it’s in half.
    It is divided into THREE:
    1. Those who passionately support what’s called “liberal/Democrat” today
    2. Those who support what is labeled “conservative/Republican” today
    3. Those who despise what both parties/movements have become, as opposed to what they were 35, 40 years ago; today’s Republican thinks and acts the same as a Democrat of the ’60s.

    In 2016, the electoral college did its job and put Trump in office, God protect the EC.
    But of those Americans who took the trouble to vote, a large majority [wisely] rejected Trump (54%) and a clear majority (52%) [wisely] rejected Hillary.

    Voting “against” the opposition is the surest way to lose by winning. Regardless of the outcome of the elections, sadly the illusion remains and people continue to fulfill Einstein’s definition of insanity and it will continue until:

    A) free people understand that they are alone accountable for how they consume media in a free market
    B) a political movement/party is formed that leaves in the dust any who would blame “the media” for the nation’s ills
    C) those who want to vote must meet certain qualifications and must go to a certain amount of effort to register and cast a ballot; as it is now, it is just a mutant national sporting event.

    It’s gone way past the ballot box. I am proud of the majorities of Americans who voted to tell both Hillary and Trump to go to hell in 2016. In 2020, it’s devolved to theater.

  • Cotour


    With the voting over and, “In the can”, my question is: What will Bill Barr and John Durham do in relation to all of the criminal investigations that have been generated and completed related to, St. James Comey and the corrupt leadership of the FBI and their blatant abuse of power against private citizens and a sitting president? And when will they do it?

    Will anything be done at all?

    And more interestingly, what will be done with the “New” Hunter Biden computer information that the FBI has had for one year? And it clearly documents and reveals that, Joe Biden, possibly the next president of the United States, has been and apparently is still involved in the pay for play sale of his political office for a cut from Communist Chinese government interests to the tune of millions of dollars? As well as several other deals.

    Does this all just blow away? It never happened? Just another blackmail opportunity for the FBI to control a president?

    Attorney General Barr could not make any moves in the 30 to 60 days before a presidential election, but what will his move be now that its over? Will the country be too “delicate” for any actions? Especially if Trump were to exit in the coming months.

    If Trump were to lose his second term, then the Republican party loses real leadership and direction and reverts to party “Leadership”. And that’s not good. And if Biden becomes president then there will only be Democrat party leadership and a reversion to Obama era “Fundamentally changing America” and that leadership will be dominated by Leftist / Socialist factions within it. And that’s not good.

    So, what if anything will happen, and when will it happen?

    The country is clearly diametrically politically split. Someone must emerge that can transcend both parties collective broken and potentially rudderless leadership.

    Transcend the Democrats because they are just broken and will IMO further consume themselves as their ruthless Leftist young eats their old guard. We will all witness it live, as if we were in a Land Rover, binoculars in hand looking over the plains of the Serengeti as the lions and the hyenas go at it over territory and tear each other to pieces. Its going to be messy however you look at it. They are currently operating out of fear and desperation as they actually see their power further diminish.

    And the Republicans seem to want to do the IMO “correct” things for the country, but are rudderless without a strong, goal oriented and determined person at the helm. And as we are witness to, they despise that strong hand on the tiller and that positive direction. They would rather react then actually act in a proactive manner. Spineless for the most part.

    And so this is where we find ourselves at this moment in time in America, and it will take another Trump administration or in four years another person that can transcend the division, is strong, is compassionate, has a clear American agenda, and in my opinion is a full blood black American Conservative. (Lets give the lily white crackers a rest for a while.)

    But for today, for right now, we wait to see how this current presidential election plays itself out.

    “May you live in interesting times”, the Chinese saying goes. And we without a doubt certainly do.

  • pzatchok

    This country is lost.

    The older liberals don’t even know that their ideas and philosophies are what is ruining their communities. Our nation.
    They then retire to a cheaper area (normally republican) and bring their ideals with them.

    Our children are no longer taught what the meaning of our constitution and bill or rights actually mean.
    They are willing to trade their very own rights for security.
    Security now means a safety net for everything.
    They want a guarantied higher education, medical coverage for everything, food, housing, a job with a living wage for a family of four and finally a safe retirement. All paid for by the government.(us)
    They actually think business and rich people pay taxes. They just pass them down to the customer in higher prices.

    This nation is lost. And people do not even know what they lost,

  • wayne

    “Absurdistan; The Music Video”
    June 2018

    (so to speak….)

  • LocalFluff

    You’ve got a fight back president. This isn’t over. The Chinese Communist Party has not won yet.

  • janyuary

    pzat -BINGO, “They then retire to a cheaper area (normally republican) and bring their ideals with them.”

    The shocker …. when a loyal republican native of that cheaper and more beautiful area now invaded and altered by them, sees such lefty lunacy as city ordinances regulating and shackling businesses regarding everything from basic customer service (giving them bags for their groceries) to smoking (closing bars if its owners stand by while its customers unanimously elect to smoke while drinking and partying) to what color they paint their signs …

    … the shocker is the discovery that nearly half of those local politicians calling for such tyrannical oversight, as was the author of a local city and the nation’s first and single most repressive government anti-smoking ordinance, were actually Republicans. Moving here and ruining our beautiful free home along with the lefty Democrats!! I wish they would move back to where they came from regardless of party.

  • Cotour

    A Democrat woman who I like very much, who despises Trump to the bone, sent me a Hill article that I had sent her about one year ago related to the logic of the Democrats and their Leftist trajectory. This is their justification? :

    Basically the article points out how Communism / Socialism must be tried by everyone before it is fully rejected and it can die. And that to me is just a fantasmagorical intellectual laziness and a willful misunderstanding and ignorance of actual history and the nature of the human organism.

    And this was my response:

    I heard that if you set all your hair on fire it grows back fuller and with nice, big natural curls. It has something to do with encouraging your blood to nourish your hair follicles. You look just like when you were 20 years old. Ah, those were the days.

    (Disclaimer, this is sarcasm to make a point about the ridiculousness of justifying the embracing of Socialism and Communism and it is not meant to encourage anyone to set their hair on fire)

    I have never met anyone who could provide me with any real world evidence that it indeed does produce what it is rumored to produce though. From what I can detect through my own common sense it should consistently produce a long and painful hospital stay and terrible scarring, if you survive.

    That being said, will you be trying it soon? I will not.

    (Im here for you ;)

  • wayne

    Doctor Utopia Sells Isms…
    “Make Mine Freedom”
    John Sutherland Productions 1948

  • Ian C.

    To uplift the mood in those difficult times, I’d love to share with you a wonderfully witty remark by Neil deGrasse Tyson.

    “Would indeed be ironic if Donald Trump lost the presidential election by a margin of votes equal to the number of his supporters who died from COVID-19, for having refused to wear masks in public.”

    Haha, I guess. And I hope we never forget.

  • Ian C: My, what an ugly thing to say, especially because this TV celebrity who is a fake scientist has absolutely no scientific data to back up his claim.

    Isn’t it amazing how cruel and vicious the supporters of the Democratic Party can often be?

  • Brian

    Ian C. That is just sick. I have always liked Neil deGrasse Tyson, how did he end up being such a hateful person.

  • Cotour

    What Ian C. and N.D. Tyson propose is that if someone else were president then there would have been no deaths from Covid because they would have 1. shut down the country? And 2. because they would have made everyone wear a mask under threat of imprisonment just like the Aussies and the Kiwis?

    I think not. The people are educated on the issue and are taking the necessary precautions based on their own self interests. Period.

    (I personally do not particularly like N.D. Tyson, never have)

  • LocalFluff

    This is uplifting:

    Der Präsident tanzt!

    He spoke in front of half a million voters in 14 events the last three days before election day! One cannot blame him for not trying. In Oceans of people who love what he does as president. And he can relaxed dance to YMCA, with moves that show that he keeps them in control.

    This election is tough in media, but so has everything been for Donald Trump the last 5 years. In the mirror this will look like a piece of cake, like so many other made up “crises” that he has handled. Imagine waking up every morning and lacking no excitement:
    “- So I’m impeached. They try to fraud my election win, again. And the pope, the pope!?”

  • Brian

    Cotour , though I never could take him seriously science wise because of his propaganda talk on global warming. Neil deGrasse Tyson always seemed like a guy you could go have a beer with to me, but that statement of his is so hateful, kind of changes my perception of him. To make a statement like that, it goes back to a term I’ve heard a lot over the last few months “morally vacant”

  • Ian C.


    “Isn’t it amazing how cruel and vicious the supporters of the Democratic Party can often be?”

    Being on the right side of history and science allows (or even requires) lashing out a lot.


    “how did he end up being such a hateful person.”

    Perhaps the positive feedback loop of being a celebrity in a validating bubble peals off good manners and objectivity/fairness. And I won’t rule out that when they pay him to promote politicized science, that a certain self-righteousness and acting as an authority figure is part of the package to ridicule critics and bring the herd together — especially a couple days before the election (his tweet is from November 1).


    “What Ian C. and N.D. Tyson propose”

    I didn’t. I hoped my last line makes that clear.

  • Cotour

    Democrats are extremely emotionally partisan and “Morally vacant”., the hard liners anyway. Their morality is purely based on only what they define as morality and if you do not agree with it you can go to hell and drop dead.

    I see this all the time, the less hard line among them are more child like in how they politically think and operate. I know many of them.

    I just shake my head at them.

    Although one that works for me said today: “I guess the electoral college is not that bad after all.”. She was pointing out the point to her sister who was outraged when Trump became president and the double edged nature of it. She can have rational thoughts here and there. And like most of them she and they are good people.

    If you remember the last presidential election the Democrats were not so enamored with the workings of the founders scheme to keep the vote as clean and democratic as possible.

    Tyson? A TV physicist, a media physicist.

    Is what it is.

  • Ian C.

    Trump gives an update and lists issues with the election and (so I just heard from friends) CBS, MSNBC, ABC, NBC etc. cut the stream off. Good thing we have a direct line to the White House’s channel:

    “President Trump Delivers Remarks”

  • Ian C.

    Here’s CNBC censoring Trump because what he says “is not true.” They’re wonderful fact checkers. Like the rest of Big Media and Big Social Media. To protect against “dangerous misinformation,” be it on Covid-19 or the US election. The censorship infrastructure is now in place everywhere and it’s getting better every week. Oh how they would love to establish a China-like social credit score so that you cannot book a flight for watching wrongthink videos or won’t get a credit for having friends with questionable views.

  • Cotour

    Ian C., we have arrived in George Orwel’s 1984.

    This segment that you posted and the power moves that the Social media mega companies have been making are outrageous and they appear to be the kind of unspoken coordination found in the Obama administration I.E. the likes of Lois Learner.

    How dare these media manipulators censor and correct the president in real time, any president. If you don’t want to cover the president, then don’t cover him. You disagree with what he is saying? You want to go over the specifics of what he is stating then do so afterwards. But to do what they have done here is troubling to say the least.

    We have seen it plainly, these media entities are now allowing the American people what they think they should be allowed to see and know. They have clearly gone over the line. Not much different than China, not much at all. This does not bode well.

    Now, what is going to be done about it?

  • sippin_bourbon

    “We have arrived in George Orwel’s 1984”

    More truth in this that we really want to admit.

    Tyson has said a few things while trying to sound witty that make me laugh.
    “If we had 12 fingers, I wonder whether the Bill of Rights to the American Consitiution (sic) would have been 12 amendments long.”
    -ND Tyson, 22 DEC 2014.

    Anyone familiar with history knows that there WERE twelve. Only 10 were ratified at the time. One ratified later. One never ratified.
    Anyone familiar with Google would have learned this in a few clicks.

  • pzatchok

    Someone asked, on the radio, why republicans do not march and riot like the left does.

    I wanted to call in and tell them its because we have something to loose. Like a house and a job.
    Look at the people in those lefty riots and protests.
    Under 30 with no job or career. They own nothing more than the dope in their pockets and the cloths on their back. And proud of their lives for no real reason. What have they done in their short time here? Protested, thats all.
    Those over 30 are just hippies with nothing better to do. The Grateful Dead are not on tour. And protesting is something they did in their youth so why not just keep on doing it? Teach the new ones.
    The left recruits by promising free things to the youth. things we would never even think about offering.

    The only republicans with time are our retired members.
    None of us want our children wasting time and skipping work or school. And only a few of us can afford the day off or to risk possible court time. Jail is nothing new to me but it would be incredibly inconvenient at this time.

    I can not think of a way republicans could or would spend their time counter protesting the left.

  • Ian C.


    “Now, what is going to be done about it?”

    Trump navigates the whole thing through a legal process. Perhaps he can soon present the proof for the election fraud he claims to have. Plenty of rumors out there that are still not validated enough to be repeated here.


    “Someone asked, on the radio, why republicans do not march and riot like the left does.”

    Currently the other side hopes to provoke violent reactions from lone angry right-wingers or militias to create a case. They’re teasing Trump voters (often with bots) on social media to demoralize or create anger. It didn’t work when BLM/Antifa vandalized the cities, it shouldn’t work this time. Trump then said, “stand back and stand by.” Still valid, I think.

  • Cotour

    Just a little reminder from the folks at Sky News about what potential is in store for America and the world should this election “Turn” towards the Democrats winning:

    And no one, including those Americans who voted against Trump for what ever reason and rational will deserve what would or might come from it. But then again ignorance is its own reward, so maybe they will deserve it, but I and everyone else who can see beyond their personal dislike for a person will not.

    To witness a Trump rally, even during a virus event, and there shows up to attend it 30, 40, 50, 60 thousand very enthusiastic people in the cold and the rain. And then you contrast that with a Joe Biden event and 17 people in circles or in a parking lot, many remaining in their cars honking their horns in their enthusiastic support. It just becomes a counter intuitive exercise to drag yourself to believe that an election would go to the one with the circles and honking horns.

    There are consequences to elections, especially when there exists 4 years to prepare for “Winning” it and one side is hell bent to win it at any cost exist. I suspect that if the Democrats do attain the White House that there will be a push for all mail in voting in all elections.

    And where does mail in voting circuitously come from? CHINA via Covid. Its just been such an overwhelming convenient coincidence that you must sit back and scratch your head. Timing is everything in life and elections for sure.

    Can you imagine where the economy and unemployment in America would be and this election for that matter if there was no Covid? But that is not our reality.

    Remember: Politics is the dirtiest, filthiest most corrupt and most deadly game that human beings play.

  • sippin_bourbon

    This is 2020. This election, and its outcome, should have been expected.

    Years from now, we will talk about the disaster 2020 was, to include who we put in the White House.

  • Edward

    You wrote: “This nation is lost. And people do not even know what they lost,

    Thank you for adding your voice to mine. Keep it up, and keep reminding everyone of what they have already lost.

    I have been saying this for almost seven years.

    Welcome to Obama’s America: land of the formerly free.

    Brian asked: “I have always liked Neil deGrasse Tyson, how did he end up being such a hateful person

    He hangs out with hateful people.

    Robert wrote:: “Isn’t it amazing how cruel and vicious the supporters of the Democratic Party can often be?

    Ian C. replied: “Being on the right side of history and science allows (or even requires) lashing out a lot.

    Being right allows or even requires lashing out in a cruel and vicious way? No. The opposite is true, that those who are wrong are the ones who lash out. Those who are right are secure in their positions and feel no need to lash out.

    sippin_bourbon wrote: “Years from now, we will talk about the disaster 2020 was, to include who we put in the White House.

    It is also a lesson in why honest elections are so important. (Unless you are a Democrat, in which case it is a lesson in why dishonest elections are so important, as neither Biden nor Harris can win honestly — Harris couldn’t even run in the primary).

  • Cotour

    More Youtube censorship of free speech:

    Use the wrong word? have the wrong inflection in your voice? Talk about what the internet over lords have banned?

    And what do we find? This would NEVER be done to ANY edgy or radical Leftist or Democrat. NEVER.

    We have arrived.

  • Cotour

    Didn’t Keith Olberman recently strongly suggest that Trump be executed? But he is still on Youtube. No, he was banned by Youtube.

    Olberman has called for Trumps death by execution!

    And still Olberman is posting his venom, but those who oppose him who are not favored by the millennial Leftist gate keeper overlords at Youtube may not counter what he pushes. Olberman is a problem, a vial person IMO, but he is invisible to the new internet media overlords.

    This trend threatens all Americans freedoms. And how will it be dealt with if theoretically those internet overlords can purchase their freedom of speech? But we can not?

  • Cotour

    Kathy Griffin, does the same on Twitter:

    I will assume she has had no interruption of her Twitter service and no reprimand.

  • James Street

    Trump has to operate within the law otherwise he will be just as illegitimate as the Democrats. I still have no doubt that Trump will be sworn in as President on January 20, 2021. It will be fun to watch Trump’s countermoves to the Democrats.

  • Cotour

    I am hearing certain things about the valid ballots being specially marked using a “QFS” block chain system and those ballots that may not be as valid as they should be were and are now part of a sting operation to reveal those who have cheated to ensure a Biden / Democrat presidency. (???????????)

    Sounds interesting and would be a total head fake and sting ala Trump, if it is indeed true. The only way to verify this as not being just an internet head fake and bovine effluent is there be arrests and a perp march and a reveal of it all.

    Again, we wait.

    Lots of very unhappy and depressed people in my orbit. Not me though, curiously. Lets let it all play out.

  • Lee Stevenson

    So now the results are pretty much in…. And it’s the end of humanity as we know it, the faciest left will overrun the US, and democracy is broken. Or not. I don’t actually care much about the result of your election, Trump wasn’t too bad, Joe seems a bit too senile to be having his fingers on the red button… But I’m sure his handlers will keep his hands off it. With any luck, the weakest and poorest in your society will get a bit of a boost, from a little more tax on the folk who have absolutely no idea what “weak” or “poor” mean… Otherwise, I predict we will be having exactly the same conversation in 3 years that we were having 7 years ago. Or last week, or 10 years ago. Nothing much will have changed in day to day life… Your dream of gun toting independence will continue to be undermined by us pinko commies, and my dream of a socialist world where the rich takes care of the poor will be undermined by the fanatic right who hate anyone black, poor, or who don’t own a gun.
    The pendulum has swung, does anyone fancy a bet on the next swing?

  • Cotour

    Lee S:

    ” With any luck, the weakest and poorest in your society will get a bit of a boost, from a little more tax on the folk who have absolutely no idea what “weak” or “poor” mean…”

    Why is it that you can not understand that what you propose here does not and has never worked as it is proposed? Why do you not get it?

    Is America and the people that inhabit it really that different then where you live?

    Nothing worthwhile is ever attained that is free. All what you propose results in is the forced confiscation of others wealth, property and freedom to do as they see fit with their lives. And it creates a culture of dependency that can never be fully satisfied by the growing demands of those who have received the confiscated wealth of the others.

    There is no one in America, the vast majority anyway, that does not have an equal opportunity to become or excel at what ever they desire and create that wealth that you are so eager and willing to confiscate.

    All it results in is an empowered middle man (A politician) that grows in power. And we can see plainly where that leads that empowered politician, right to the bank of China and cash (Read: investments in the future) being funneled to them once removed through a family shill. And then they become the president? That is all.

    Why is this so hard for you to understand? You can see it, the dark nature, all around you but are unable to either detect or understand it. And that is understood about the human animal and it is well utilized.

    This is not that difficult.

  • Ian C.

    So now the media declared Biden the winner, he calls himself President-Elect (on his twitter), Germany congratulates. They all know that this isn’t the legal/formal process. This is a coup of the old transatlantic establishment. Amazing. What now?

  • Cotour

    That will pressurize Trump to concede, but I do not think trump will do so with the valid Alito court order related to Penn segregating all ballots that came in after election day. The Penn law states that only ballots marked on the day of the election are valid as I understand it.

    Alito refused to hear the case about the Penn supreme court essentially making law by extending election day by 3 additional days. But I suspect he will hear it now.

    And then there are the many irregularities and denial of access to observe and other items.

    I do not think that Trump goes quietly into the night. But you never know, that pressure is going to get pretty high. It will soon become Trump against the world, no problem for Trump. But then it develops into Trump is attempting to disenfranchise voters of their votes, legal or not.

  • Lee Stevenson

    @Cotour, I kinda understand your viewpoint, and venomously disagree…. With some socialist welfare thrown into the equations, the smart drug dealer turns into a math teacher rather than doing 10 years for turning a weed deal into rent … A little social welfare could have reduced your prison population by litteraly millions… With a little social health care millions of citizens would have access to the meds they need to live and work… You are the only 1st world country on the planet that refuses medical care on an ability to pay basis. I understand that your entire system of everything over there is still young ( let’s have a good look at that electorial system shall we), but you need to have a good long hard look at how how you treat the weak and the poor, and how much you are willing to throw into the pot. Because how a society treats the weak and the poor is a great measure of a society.

  • Ian C.

    In the spirit of Bob’s “They’re coming for you next” our beloved AOC wrote

    “Is anyone archiving these Trump sycophants for when they try to downplay or deny their complicity in the future? I foresee decent probability of many deleted Tweets, writings, photos in the future”

    I love social media. People tell us their plans and views so unfiltered.


    I guess it has to escalate up to the USSC. Many legal (and (social) media) battles ahead.

    The UK, Canada, France congratulate as well. Now all that makes it pretty difficult. If Trump gives up or is overpowered, we can bet that the establishment makes sure that such an accident never occurs again.

  • Cotour

    Your problem is right here in what you write:

    You use the words, “Some”, “A little”. And there are no significant numbers of the “weak” and “poor” here. If you are weak, you are taken care of, if you are poor its usually the result of your abilities and or you are no intellectually capable, and so you are taken care of through the many programs that exist to do so.

    A “Little” and “Some”, no one that I have ever come across that I know has a problem with either or both. None what so ever. But what happens is a little and some become more and more. And then more and more, and then you are required by government to give more and more until one day there is no more. It has all been confiscated and no one has any incentive to make more. Then it gets rough.

    No, Lee S, you need to stand in front of that mirror and see what must be seen.

  • Lee Stevenson

    @IanC “If Trump gives up or is overpowered,”?
    … I am too ignorent to know if you are being farcical or are for real here….

  • Lee Stevenson

    @Cotour…. Just because you have never experienced somthing does not mean it does not exist.
    There are plenty of good honest US citizens who would give their right arm for a good job which payed the rent, gave them the ability to afford a car to get to work, and afford the insulin they need to stay alive.
    To entirely dismiss a huge section of the population of your great nation out of hand is a little window into the problem you have. “I don’t see it, therefore it’s not there”
    You have lived in a sheltered Bubble all, you have never known how it is to have no medical insurance, I’m guessing you. never lived paycheck to paycheck…
    I live almost paycheck to paycheck here in Sweden, but I pay high taxes on that paycheck, and if hard times fall I am not scared…. My personal insurance will cover 80% of my wage for 6 months until I find another job… And then I will be paying 33% tax for the clean streets, new parents wellbeing, and the general welfare of our population.
    The American dream is a fine goal… But it really is just a dream… And this is an echo chamber… I doubt very much that any kid that has dragged himself up to the point he feels able to join the conversation here is going to pipe in. It’s just a bunch of middle class white guys with an interest in things astronomical, and mostly with a right wing agenda.
    I get all this, but occasionally I wish that we could all come together, forgive the poor the sin of being born to the wrong parents and encourage wonder in the universe.

  • Ian C.

    Lee, I’m for real. This is a large-scale coup.

  • Andrew_W

    With some socialist welfare thrown into the equations, the smart drug dealer turns into a math teacher rather than doing 10 years for turning a weed deal into rent … A little social welfare could have reduced your prison population by litteraly millions… With a little social health care millions of citizens would have access to the meds they need to live and work…

    Lee Stevenson, I think you’re blaming capitalism for problems created by state institutions.

  • Lee Stevenson

    And, having just received the news that You guys now have a democratic leader for the next 4 years…. Please try to keep it civil, evidence based, and let’s try and keep space stuff up in the face of the new administration… It’s not my job really, not being a US citizen, but there is an opportunity here to push the race for space that hasn’t been seen since to 60s…. Do not divide over tonight’s results…. They are what they are, you guys need to accept, hug, learn a little…. And get back to work..

  • Cotour

    “You have lived in a sheltered Bubble all your life, you have never known how it is to have no medical insurance, I’m guessing you. never lived paycheck to paycheck…”

    Now that is pretty bold (To say the least) for you to tell me how I live and where I come from. Or is bold not the correct word to use. No its not, I am being polite because I actually like you and allow you to make such assumptions about something you know absolutely nothing about. I know exactly what I am talking about, sacrifice, and eating a lot of pasta to boot.

    And for your information I have lived the majority of my life WITHOUT health insurance. And no one in America goes with it.

    “I get all this, but occasionally I wish that we could all come together, forgive the poor the sin of being born to the wrong parents and encourage wonder in the universe.”

    Yes, you need a good Kumbia moment Lee. Give yourself a good hug.

    (And yes, America IS a fantasy for the most part, I will without doubt agree with you there. And it is not that way because of the virtues of Socialism!)

  • I love the way our elections are now decided not by law but by the declarations of decidedly partisan news organizations.

    In case no one has noticed, the election results have not been certified in a number of crucial states, and without those certifications neither candidate for president has enough electoral votes to become president. Moreover, in the most important state, Pennsylvania, the Supreme Court has made it clear that any ballots received after the legal deadline set by law must be put aside and counted separately, because the legal case makes it questionable any of those illegal ballots will count. And if they don’t count, Trump wins Pennsylvania.

    I find it more than tragic that so many people are now quite willing to abandon the rule of law, for merely partisan reasons.

  • Lee Stevenson

    @Ian C….. Ok…. Not even worthy of an argument. @Andrew_W, no, I’m pointing out problems that could very easily be avoided with just a touch of socialist care in the world… It wouldn’t cost much and might save lives…. Too liberal?

  • LocalFluff

    I an ashamed for this Lee Stevenson guy. I bet he thinks himself to be on the right politically, but in Sweden that still means being the worlds’ most fanatic socialist. He argues here that the government guarantees the “wellbeing of parents” and all other beautiful [deleted] because he is so grateful to be forced to pay the highest taxes in the world. Income tax 48% for low incomes, then 25% VAT and a bewildering host of point taxes, like 70% of the gasoline price, 58% of the electricity bill, $1 per plastic bag in the shop and on and on. He’s so proud of being robbed like this!

    In fact Sweden is the most violent country in the world and the number of police keep diminishing, no politicians suggest any action, there’s no debate on the subject because ALL media i n Sweden is owned by the regime. We’ve had negative GDP growth for over a decade straight now. Sweden has the smallest health care sector of all OECD countries, only 50% of their average, while it costs 25% more of GDP and several hundred of thousands are waiting longer (generally more than 3 months) for health care than the law that Lee here is so proud of “guarantees” them to get health care. Sweden has for a decade now had the largest immigration that any country ever has had in world history, and we have the by far worst “integration.” Immigrants in Sweden have the worst language knowledge, are the most unemployed and the poorest, and are the most criminal of immigrants anywhere in OECD. The Swedish police has conceded that over 40 islamic clans, each with hundreds or thousands of inbred members, have immigrated to Sweden with the only purpose of systematically commit crimes like fraud, kidnapping, fraud, slavery.

    That is what he is so proud of. Venezuela in Scandinavia, the ruins idiots like Lee leave to their children who will be tortured to death by the islamic rulers. In 2040 ethnic Swedes will be in a minority in Sweden, and that is while we have the worst integration and the largest immigration from the middle east in world history. We already have hundreds of ghettos where sharia law is upheld by the millions of anonymous islamists who have settled here. Israel warns jews from travelling to Sweden, the anti-semitic center of the Western world. All financed by the world’s least merited politicians who steal the most of everyone’s income, which Lee is so very proud of, stupidly hoping that it “guarantees” him something.

    And concerning elections, Sweden has no constitution and no kind of separation of powers at any level. Sweden is a totalitarian democracy. In 1809 the Reichstag simply took over the totalitarian powers of the king, and that’s that. The Reichstag is not limited by any law. one cannot vote for one person in Sweden, one must only vote for a political party. And the party’s unelected board of directors secretly decides who will have his name on the ballot. So all politicians are totally dependent on their unelected board of directors. That’s why not a single politician in Sweden has any kind of merit at all, because the board of directors aren’t more stupid than to pick allowed candidates that are stupider and weaker than themselves, and not a single politician in Sweden ever express any kind of point of view. Everyone is always completely silent, except for repeating the meaningless nonsense that the regime tells them to repeat. And read lee here to see what BS that is.

  • Andrew_W

    @Lee Stevenson, you’re only looking a one side of the ledger. More socialism means lower productivity which means lower average income. More socialism leads to higher costs on the productive sector with the result of less job creation and higher unemployment.

  • Local Fluff: I have deleted the obscenity in your post.

    I am very torn. You have been suspended before over this issue, but I really like your comments, even when I disagree with you. At a minimum I should even suspend you again.

    At the same time, I now have set the comments to dump all posts that contain obscenities FIRST in the trash folder, where I can review them. This way I can monitor posts and clean them up before they are posted.

    Do I need to do this for you Local Fluff? For everyone?

    Please control yourselves. This is supposed to be a place for civilized polite discourse.

  • I should add that if people continue to violate my rules, I will be forced to go to moderated comments, which will slow everything down and be a pain for everyone.

  • Andrew_W

    Mr. Zimmerman “And if they don’t count, Trump wins Pennsylvania.”
    I understand there are about 10,000 votes that fall into that category but that Biden’s lead in Pennsylvanian being about 38,000 votes.

  • Cotour

    This is all about ramping up the pressure on Trump to concede, period.

    And I do not think he will bend, not until there is concrete resolution to the Penn / Alito order, that IMO is prime and where this thing hinges. Not to mention the other without doubt irregularities, o say the least.

    But the pressure will be great, and it may be helped along with the now anticipation by the public that its settled.

    Only Trump has the chops to be where he is at this moment in time.

  • Cotour

    PS: Lots of celebrating going on tonight, was just very respectfully invited by one of my Democrat Socialist friends to come over for some prosecco and “reasonable dialogue”, “No gloating”. (I will not be attending I will be installing my new washer / dryer after work)

    Its not going to be pretty if the politicos and the medias work is all undone. No not pretty at all. Lots of ways this can be thought about, and it remains to be seen if Trump will see it in a different way.

  • Ian C.


    You’re missing out. You could ask your champagne socialist friends about revenge fantasies or those “Truth and Reconciliation Commission” ideas or whether known Trump supporters should be excluded from “polite society” and jobs.

    Anyway, your washer is perhaps more pleasant company and actually does something useful.

  • Cotour

    All good questions, but I will not be attending I will let them have their moment.

    (This is what I will be installing

    And I will be reporting on it in the appropriate story panel having to do with new and old washing machine technology here on BTB.)

    Robert Reich, how I despise that man. And he is an adult and he is calling for retribution? For what? Politics? I expect nothing less from any of them.

  • pzatchok

    Lee Stevenson

    “Your dream of gun toting independence will continue to be undermined by us pinko commies, and my dream of a socialist world where the rich takes care of the poor will be undermined by the fanatic right who hate anyone black, poor, or who don’t own a gun.”

    Such an idiotic statement,
    your either a troll or know nothing,

  • Cotour

    Didn’t Lee get himself into trouble a while back when he had a bit too much happy juice while typing? This may be a repeat?

  • LocalFluff

    What obscenity??
    Do you have a list of forbidden words or something, or are you just making stuff up as you go so that none of us can understand what you want until you suddenly inexplicably censor this and that? If you want me to stop using the word “Sweden” I could do that. But since you give me no clue at all of what you are looking for, I cannot possibly help you.

  • LocalFluff: It is where I deleted one four letter word in your comment that starts with “s”.

  • wayne

    George Carlin – 7 Words You Can’t Say on YouTube
    (Parody) –> Louder With Crowder
    October 2019

  • Jeff Wright

    Now this may be an opportunity. Like his politics or not, we do have an astronaut in the Senate again, and I hear some rumbling about space solar power advocates pushing for a space centric green new deal..

    Now, Biden has a few months between when he is sworn in and when he is ushered out in favor of She-Who-Must-Be-Obeyed.

    In the mean time, he will be the Oval Office version of McClane Stevenson’s character on M*A*S*H with Chris Hayes as Radar shoving papers on the desk.

    And there will Biden be, hat with fish hooks and head full of indecision, wondering what he just signed.

    SPSS with F-35’s budget needs to be one of those Bills. Shelby might go for it, pro-space Republicans and Democrats alike might make this the one piece of legislation that goes all the way through.

  • wayne

    Chris DeRose –
    “The Fighting Bunch”
    Michael Malice: “Your Welcome” Episode #128
    Nov 5, 2020

    “American author and former Professor of Constitutional Law Chris DeRose joins Michael this week for a discussion on how the right to bear arms has been more central to American history than the right to vote, the extensive political reach of Boss Crump in Tennessee during the early 20th century, and many more insights on how World War II veterans won the only armed rebellion since the Revolution at the Battle of Athens, all of which can be found in Chris’ new book, The Fighting Bunch.”

  • sippin_bourbon

    “…just a touch of socialist care…”.

    What a frightening euphemism.

  • Edward

    Robert Zimmerman wrote: “I love the way our elections are now decided not by law but by the declarations of decidedly partisan news organizations.

    They tried this in 2000, but it didn’t stick. The rule of law took precedence.

    We will have to see how all the election procedure tampering has worked for the Democrats, in the past 20 years. There was a time when an election could be determined with great certainty by Wednesday morning, but the Democrats decided that the methods used were not working in their favor all the time, so they have been setting it up so that they can add more votes in the following days in order to assure Democrat wins. They used this to great effect in this election, unlike the 2016 election, when their vote tampering just wasn’t enough.

    I find it more than tragic that so many people are now quite willing to abandon the rule of law, for merely partisan reasons.

    If the rule of law does not get you what you want, then how good is the law? This is why California so drastically changed its election laws, so that Democrats can get what they want virtually all the time. If the Democrats cannot get what they want fair and square then they change what is fair and what is square.

  • Andrew_W

    How it’s supposed to be done:
    President Bush reacts to Obama’s victory in 2008 election

  • Cotour

    We are all going to have to keep watching this very closely:

    And they were in plain clothes.

    This all goes to the supreme court and then to congress? Very possible, maybe very likely?

    When you are playing a game with a known cheater you take certain precautions to either limit or are able to reveal their cheating.

  • wayne

    If I recall correctly, Bush was Hitler. (and Dick Cheney was Darth Vader.)

  • Cotour

    This will be Barr and Wray’s test of their commitment to their oaths of office , or their dedication to the deep state.

    And I do not want to hear, “I would be too disruptive to the country to continue the investigations”.

    And I want to see rolled out the DOJ indictments of FBI bad actors, and the Hunter Biden investigation results.

  • Cotour


    6,000 illegal votes by people who no longer live in Nevada?

    132,000 ballots in Georgia determined to be ineligible?

    Lin Wood, no nonsense lawyer joins the Trump team. He is an excellent communicator and is a legal pit bull. Good move.

    And of course there exists the Republican party case against the Pennsylvania supreme court ruling to what appears to be illegally extending the election by three days, counter to Pennsylvania law. Judges are not legislators. And the supreme court already has this case before it I believe.

    NOW, we wait.

  • wayne

    good stuff.
    Yes, we wait.

    Apologies to mr Z in advance for taking up a bit of real-estate, but some people are fuzzy on exactly how we elect the President:
    The current timeline:

    November 3, 2020—Election Day
    (first Tuesday after the first Monday in November)
    During the general election your vote helps determine your State’s electors. When you vote for a Presidential candidate, you aren’t actually voting for President. You are telling your State which candidate you want your State to vote for at the meeting of the electors. The States use these general election results (also known as the popular vote) to appoint their electors. The winning candidate’s State political party selects the individuals who will be the electors.

    Mid-November through December 14, 2020
    After the presidential election, the Governor of your State prepares seven *Certificates of Ascertainment.* “As soon as practicable,” after the election results in your State are certified, the Governor sends one of those original Certificates of Ascertainment to the Archivist.

    By December 8, 2020—States resolve controversies
    (at least six days before the meeting of the electors)

    States must make final decisions in any controversies over the appointment of their electors at least six days before the meeting of the electors. This is so their electoral votes will be presumed valid when presented to Congress. Decisions by States’ courts are conclusive, if decided under laws enacted before Election Day.

    December 14, 2020—electors vote in their States
    The electors meet in their respective States and vote for President and Vice President on separate ballots. The electors record their votes on six *Certificates of Vote,* which are paired with the six remaining Certificates of Ascertainment. The electors sign, seal, and certify six sets of electoral votes. A set of electoral votes consists of one Certificate of Ascertainment and one Certificate of Vote.

    December 23, 2020—electoral votes arrive
    Electoral votes (the Certificates of Vote) must be received by the President of the Senate and the Archivist no later than nine days after the meeting of the electors. If votes are lost or delayed, the Archivist may take extraordinary measures to retrieve duplicate originals.

    On or before January 3, 2021—Archivist transfers Certificates to Congress
    As the new Congress assembles, the Archivist transmits sets of Certificates to Congress, as requested. This generally happens when the Senate does not receive its set of Certificates on time. The transfer occurs in late December or early January when OFR’s Legal staff meets with representatives of the Secretary of the Senate and the Clerk of the House.

    January 6, 2021—Congress counts the electoral votes
    Congress meets in joint session to count the electoral votes. The Vice President, as President of the Senate, presides over the count and announces the results of the Electoral College vote. The President of the Senate then declares which persons, if any, have been elected President and Vice President of the United States.

    If any objections to the electoral votes are made, they must be submitted in writing and be signed by at least one member of the House and one Senator.
    — If objections are presented, the House and Senate withdraw to their respective chambers to consider the merits of the objection(s) under procedures set out in Federal law.

    If no Presidential candidate wins at least 270 electoral votes (a majority of the 538 available votes), under the 12th Amendment to the Constitution the House of Representatives decides the Presidential election.
    If necessary, the House would elect the President by majority vote, choosing from among the three candidates who received the greatest number of electoral votes. The vote would be taken by State, *with each State having one vote.* (The District of Columbia does not vote because it doesn’t have voting members in the House of Representatives.)

    If no Vice Presidential candidate wins at least 270 electoral votes (a majority or the 538 available votes), under the 12th Amendment the Senate elects the Vice President.
    If necessary, the Senate would elect the Vice President by majority vote, choosing between the two candidates who received the greatest number of electoral votes. Each Senator would have one vote.

    January 20, 2021 at Noon—Inauguration Day

  • Wayne: As you would say, good stuff!

  • janyuary

    Coutour, the fact that a self-described pinko commie views Trump as “not too bad” and Biden as a “bit too senile” to oversee the Red Button should tell you something.

    Robert, I am a monthly donator to your site so I am walking the walk, and I here talk the talk — me, a former die-hard conservative and Republican, veteran of 11 presidential primaries. Trump won the R nomination about the same way as Biden won the presidency, differing in details only. Live by the sword, die by the sword.

    Ronald Reagan was a wise man who believed in the American people, authentically. And 2016 proved him correct — large, clear majorities of Americans who trouble to vote said loudly and clearly, “You stink!” to both candidates. That’s not even counting those who held their nose while voting for either candidate: Former First Lady Hillary or Trump, a guy to truly successful entrepreneur billionaires much what Tyson is to real working scientists.

    Robert, I did my due diligence investing many hours of research in 2016 trying to prove they were just lies against Trump … only to find that they were actually true and a lot more ugliness beyond. I listened to his campaign speeches and heard a statist ’70s Democrat. Republicans and conservatives of today hate me because I reject a lemon labeled an orange. Trumps and mini trumps are sewn throughout the Republican hierarchy

    Charlie Brown always falls for Lucy holding the football.

    Today, a probable large plurality of concerned Americans reject what both parties and movements have become.

    However, the divide between Republican and Democrat is the sole focus of popularly consumed media screaming “American divided in two!”

    Yet the divide among Americans is in 3 — among established party/movement loyalties and those of us who reject statist nanny government under any label or future promise.

    We have separation of church and state. Now we must establish separation of medicine and state if we want to remain a free people. That seems clear as of now.

    If the Electoral College ends, so does so does our liberty. The EC is even more vital than the 2nd Amendment.

  • janyuary: As for Trump, I refer you to this essay: Trump: He kept his promises

    More fundamentally are the clear policy differences between what Trump has done, and what all recent Democrats have routinely done once in office.

    They are all politicians, which means they must be watched closely at all times, and never trusted. But to claim there is no difference is to be blind to reality.

  • Cotour


    Didn’t Trump trash and eviscerate 17 other opponents and then HE was made the candidate of the Republican party? Joe Biden’s only resemblance to that was that in the end HE was made the candidate.

    Biden himself is a non entity here, a mask for those who would be president, a Bernie proxy at best.

    Why is it hard? Because it is worth while. Everything is hard for Trump, especially in politics.

    And why is that? Because its worth while.

  • janyuary

    APOLOGY for the typos … I walk what I talk and hope all here do by regular subscription (like me) or tip jar, to pay our way.

    I hope folks hear me out for a longer perspective of current failed party politics. The 11 primaries in which I carefully participated in the past showed me that ultimately the large majority of Republicans and conservatives, both, failed to walk what they talked when it came time to vote, and as well to listen to the talk if it wasn’t what they wanted to hear.

    Hence, Republicans and conservatives today are comparable to Democrats and liberals of the 60s – 70s, a little in how they talk, hugely in how they walk.

    Increasingly over the decades, on the pretense of voting “against” the opponent, we, I, ended up voting FOR more government every time. Those who vote “against” have zero representation because voting “against” is an imaginary action.

  • janyuary

    Robert, thank you, excellent points, and thanks for this forum. Yes, there is certainly a difference — in name (Republican/conservative vs Democrat/liberal).

    Indeed, I even pointed out indirectly what that difference was — today’s Republican/conservative is very different from today’s Democrat/liberal. Today’s D/l is commie pinko; today’s R/c is different, it’s like the D/l of the ’70s. There is no party or movement to represent what R/c used to be.

  • janyuary

    I know, poor Trump. He’s had it tough … his own “personal Viet Nam,” for example … an American male who avoided military service in the early 1940s who publicly repeated a comparable statement would hardly be considered honorable, let alone presidential, and one who declared that the only reason his primary opponent was called a “hero” was because he’d been a POW in the same war from which Trump took five deferments, yes, research …. well, I frankly have become leery of any kind of “character” in a never-served guy who would sneer of a warrior, no matter how flawed, who’d been a POW, a dismissal such as “I like people who weren’t captured” …

    Support him at your own risk. But I wouldn’t hold my breath. Politics will proceed as scheduled Trump or Biden. It’s past the ballot box.

  • janyuary

    Sorry, forgot to address the above to Coutour! Thanks!

  • Cotour


    I know, I know you would never have thought that you would hear this statement from me, but here it is.

    And who am I going to marry?

    This woman: Forward to 13:33 min, and you will see her.

    Isn’t she beautiful? Isn’t she wonderful? Strong and well spoken, this is a woman I can get along with for the rest of my life.

    I am in LOVE :)

    I will let you know when the day is set, your invited!

  • wayne

    “Ever heard of Guy Fawkes?’: America’s ABC News network declares ‘fireworks lit up night sky over London’ to toast Joe Biden’s win… only for Britons to point out there’s ANOTHER celebration in UK on November 5”

  • wayne

    A Case for Anarchism:
    “Governments Should Not Exist”
    Michael Malice and Lex Fridman
    October 2020

  • Edward

    Robert Zimmerman wrote: “I love the way our elections are now decided not by law but by the declarations of decidedly partisan news organizations.

    Of course people allow the news organizations to decide our elections. Why not?

    They let the news organizations tell them to wear masks. Then as the news stories change from a mask mandate in order to remind us that we are in crisis to a mandate in order to save lives, buy-in easily comes to those who allow the news to tell them what is what, buy-in to the point that they argue that the science shows that the news organizations are correct. Thus our wardrobes are dramatically changed.

    They also allow news organizations to tell them that the science is settled and that global warming will result in several degree rise in Earth’s temperature by the end of the century as well as a devastating rise in the oceans, unless we make lifestyle changes. Then the news stories change from global warming to climate change, even though climates have always changed on the planet. Now, any change in the weather is seen as proof of catastrophic climate change.

    So if the news organizations can determine our wardrobes and lifestyles, why not decide our leadership?

  • sippin_bourbon

    Yes Trump took 5 deferments. Deferments were legally acceptable.
    As opposed to all the cowards who ran to Canada. The same ones that Carter Pardoned (he needed votes).
    Or run away to England ( Bill Clinton).
    Or ran elsewhere.
    Or claim that he tried to join, but turned out it was a total lie (Michael Bloomberg).
    Or get five deferments, and then claim he went to Vietnam (Blumenthal)

    Deferments, or opportunities to join the NG were LEGAL. You can not like them, but that is the fact.
    Draft Dodging or false claims of service were illegal and dishonorable.

    Side note, they decided that the Stolen Valor laws only apply if the person got something of value from the lie.
    Getting elected to the Senate really should qualify.

  • Cotour


    There has been without doubt an election manipulation executed in Pennsylvania and it appears to be with the programs that tally the numbers of votes, and this is plain to see to me. These programs of manipulation exist and as we all know, if it is a program in a computer there can without doubt exist the opportunity to manipulate the results.

    And these anomalies in the many counties throughout the country, curiously all apparently Democrat counties, do seem to have been manipulated. The supreme court will determine what is what, and I do not necessarily trust them either. The court has to see these shifts in numbers as being consequential to the election, and they just may when they add them all up. This is now a job for a son of a female dog of a no nonsense pit bull of a lawyer to argue.

    “President Trump lost -1,063 in Allegheny; -2,972 in Bucks; -7,135 in Chester Counties at the same time period.
    Joe Biden did not lose any votes.”

    “All goes well for Trump until 2020-11-04 21:15:00 when he loses just under 10,000 votes, but curiously from three different counties simultaneously: -1,063 Allegheny; -2,972 Bucks; -7,135 Chester. Biden never lost any votes (at least, in this late voting).”

    It is clear to me that if a Democrat party operative can cheat or lets say massage the numbers in order to retain or acquire political power, and they think they will not be detected, they will do just that. The Republicans cheat in other ways, both party’s are corrupt, but the Democrats must cheat.

    This will all be settled to my satisfaction or not as it goes through the process that is in place as per the Constitution, the Founders anticipated it all. POLITICS: THE DIRTIEST, FILTHIEST MOST CORRUPT AND MOST DEADLY GAME THAT HUMAN BEINGS PARTICIPATE IN.

  • Cotour


    DOMINION software.

    When ever you have something based in computer technology, especially election software that tabulates the vote, you have the opportunity to have a “Glitch” ;)

    If its digital it can be manipulated in ways through back doors that are not seen or known about.

    Let us not be naive, especially when we understand this company, Dominion, is a Clinton connected company.

    In the era of Trump, all will be revealed.

  • Cotour

    I will throw this in just for a good laugh today:


  • Cotour


    This is not my opinion, these opinions in 2019 are by Democrat Senators Elizabeth Warren and Amy Klobuchar about the lack of security and the ownership pedigree of Dominion voting systems. The state of Texas rejected the Dominion system outright because it was not in their opinion a secure system. Why would America allow a foreign owned company tabulate and apparently be able to manipulate Americans votes?

    “In a 2019 letter, Sen. Amy Klobuchar raised concerns about the “trouble-plagued companies” managing voting machines across the country, calling reports of faulty machines and software a threat to the “integrity of our elections.”

    “We are particularly concerned that secretive and ‘trouble-plagued companies,’ owned by private equity firms and responsible for manufacturing and maintaining voting machines and other election administration equipment, ‘have long skimped on security in favor of convenience,’ leaving voting systems across the country ‘prone to security problems,’” states the letter.”

    And now Amy Klobuchar is impatient for the election to be over and the “results” be accepted, even though she herself along with Democrat Senator Elizabeth Warren have apparently forgotten their previous concerns and letter?

  • Cotour


    Listen to the CEO of SMARTMATIC commenting on a 2018 election in Venezuela that they ran. ; 2 MIN.

    He, “Regrets to report”, the difference between votes cast and votes recorded? 1 million fraudulent votes. In elections its the counting that counts, not so much the voting.

    If this Dominion / Smartmatic and who ever else issue is not dug into and the truth of this matter revealed then we, the American people have no reason to vote in the future. Why would you?

    Your credit card company knows to the penny what your charges are and when you charged it and does this with almost absolute accuracy, so why cant our voting be conducted in a similar manner?

    The answer is quite simple, the political powers that be do not want that level of accuracy. The political powers that be, specifically the Democrat powers that be have no interest in such verifiable election results, lest they never be able to acquire or retain political power.

    And that is just how simple it all is.

    So if you are poo, pooing the president and his Republican allies in their accusations that their has been a less than an honest election in this presidential election they have very solid evidence that it has indeed been corrupted and your vote and your will as an American citizen has been usurped.

    How does that make you feel?

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