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Today’s blacklisted Americans: Parents threatened with doxxing by school board for criticizing the board’s mask policies

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That’s apparently what the Scottsdale school board thinks.

They’re coming for you next: Parents who have publicly objected to the mask mandate policies of a Scottsdale, Arizona school board have discovered that at least two members of the school board, Jann-Michael Greenburg and Zachary Lindsay, had compiled or had access to a Google drive folder containing personal information of the parents, including social security numbers, financial information, pictures of themselves and their children.

The information as complied clearly suggested the board members were going to use it to harass and harm the parents.

Parents have since dubbed the Google Drive an “online dossier.” The folders housed within the dossier are labeled “SUSD Wackos,” “Press Conference Psychos,” and “Anti Mask Lunatics,” among others. Included under “Press Conference Psychos” was a video that shows parents calmly holding signs that read “CRT is Racist” and “SUSD We Demand Transparency.”

The dossier takes specific aim at the concerned parent group “Community Advocacy Network” (CAN). Administrators and founders of CAN’s active Facebook page have folders dedicated to screenshots of their Facebook comments, pictures of them with their husbands, and in some cases financial records.

Much of the information was apparently gathered by Greenburg’s father, who is documented to have videotaped the parents repeatedly, sometimes hiding his identity. He also has a track record of harassment.

The elder Greenburg can be heard in bodycam footage reviewed by the Daily Caller calling Wray [one of the threatened parents] a “lunatic.” He also admitted that he pulled up to Wray’s car on his motorcycle with his license plate covered and said he had a private investigator “who’s writing down all of [the parents’ license] plates.”

Both Wray and [parent] Carney described the Greenburgs as “bullies” and “trolls,” who do little to quell the real concerns of parents. Carney said that if parents criticize the younger Greenburg, “the dad goes after them.”

The elder Greenburg has a history of harassing his political opponents. In 2019, he was unmasked as the anonymous author of a parody website that mocked school board leadership, according to a local Scottsdale news outlet.

The younger Greenburg denied any involvement with the Google drive, despite the fact that the drive had been discovered when he sent an email to one parent with an attached screenshot that showed he was using that very drive at that very moment.

Need I remind everyone that these are school board members? How insane have things become when school board members plan doxxing and harassment against the parents they are supposed to serve? Since when did such minor elected positions require dirty politics and the politics of personal destruction? Isn’t their job instead a very basic and non-partisan one, to organize and maintain the local schools so that children can learn reading, writing, and arithmetic?

Apparently not, at least not for these Scottsdale, Arizona board members. There, the board members view their jobs as positions of power and control, so important that they have the right to destroy anyone who dares criticize them. More important, these individuals apparently think they should have more control and power of the district’s children than their parents.

The sooner these individuals are removed from office, the better. Yesterday was too late.

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  • Cotour


    (Copy and share with a friend)

    They said that “WE” were “Anti Vaxxers”. And I had to adjust that statement a bit that I, and I do not think they are, an “Anti Vaxxer”. Not at all.

    I believe in vaccination when appropriate 100%. Vaccination has a long and successful history of saving many from the ravages of diseases that plague humanity. There exists a long proven “Old” technology that delivers these vaccine benefits to humanity. Some risk is involved with taking all and any drug therapy, but in the long term vaccines have saved millions, upon millions of lives.

    What is it that I object to? The Federal government mandating that I or anyone else be vaccinated with what can only be argued as being an experimental “New” mRNA technology vaccine. No one can argue otherwise. There are certain known and unknown health risks involved in taking the mRNA vaccines. They appear to generally dial down the negative down side potential of Covid should you contract it.

    If you are older and have any of the several co morbidities that contribute to an unfavorable result should you contract Covid it might be wise to consider receiving the vaccine. Maybe one dose? Why is that? Because those are the people that are by the numbers and evidence most severely negatively effected by Covid. It should be your choice, you have common sense.

    The Federal government has NO business attempting such a thing as mandating that people have themselves injected with a still unarguably experimental vaccine. And they clearly know and understand that as being a fact. With risk should come choice.

    And here they tell you the same themselves: 1 min 48 sec.

    And so what does the Federal government (D) do after some political operative strategically figures a way for the Federal government to in fact force a mandate for essentially every working individual to be vaccinated? They utilize OSHA’s ability to regulate the work place and they have OSHA issue a mandate by the Federal government. A work around in other words that in effect allows the government to mandate.

    Just like president Obama (D) knew he could not create the DACA children classification through an executive order, But did so anyway. Joe Biden (D) and his administration knows they are not able to create a vaccine mandate through an executive order. But they did so anyway.

    They (D) have no respect for you, and they (D) have no respect for your Rights nor the Constitution that establishes those Rights. That is crystal clear.

    Are you beginning to see the pattern here yet?

  • Gary

    As Glenn Reynolds says on Instapundit, “hit back twice as hard!” Sue them into oblivion.

  • Alton

    We need to raise funds, because every trip to the Supreme Court is a three million dollar ? ticket.

  • Cotour

    How do Americans fight political warfare?

    Lawyers, Courts AND MONEY!

    Lots and lots of each.

  • Jim

    I am very leery of this vaccine because it is made using the mRNA technology. To me, it is risky to introduce RNA into a cell. I’d feel better using the tried and true method of using killed or weakened virus. Our immune system evolved by being stimulated by whole virus particles being introduced outside of cells. mRNA methods are cheaper and quicker to produce quantities of vaccine, but at what risk? There’s got to be some.

  • You know, we voted for this. Every time a bond issue, or levy was on the ballot for educational enhancements, it was more government intervention between parents and children. Does a child need sex counseling, we’ll let the school do that. Feeding my children? Heck, yeah. Let the District do that. It used to be that ‘free lunch’ was a stigma; now it’s expected. After school care? Sure, I’ll let Government take care of that.

    Government perhaps rightfully sees children as it’s property, because The People have ceded the authority.

  • wayne

    If we were in anything that resembled ‘normal times,’ I would agree with you 100%. But since we’re not, best to be prepared for Direct Action.

    excellent point.

    In my opinion, “They” are never going to tell us anything.

    The Beatles
    “Piggies” (November 1968, remastered 2009)

    In their styes with all their backing,
    They don’t care what goes on around.
    In their eyes there’s something lacking,
    What they need’s a [expletive deleted] good whacking.”

  • Cotour


    “This video discusses new surprise discovery (yet to be confirmed by other scientists) that SARS-CoV-2 full length spike protein can enter human cell nuclei and interfere with fixing of broken DNA damage. Authors of the study propose this might have been evolved in order to prevent genetic recombination required to produce antibody variety to successfully attack the virus. If true, and if this could have important implications for potential negative health outcomes and might require reconfiguration of vaccine design.” 12 min.

    Merogenomics: Genome Sequencing Consulting | Merogenomics Inc.

    What is the long term potential of the spike protein mRNA vaccine? “Yet to be confirmed by other scientists”

    I think at this point given this new (?) information the answer is unknown (By the public) and presently unknowable.

    At what cost rushing a new technology never before used on human beings?

    Don’t worry, Dr, Fauci say its all OK. Rest easy.

  • Max

    That’s a nice catch Cotour, that matches what others are finding… that the MRNA vaccine is slicing up the DNA in the cell blocking the cells ability to repair it self and to perform normal functions while shortening the lifespan.
    Even Bill Gates (who is not a doctor or a scientist) admits that things aren’t going as planned.

    I disagree with you that millions upon millions have been helped by vaccines… More people have been harmed by vaccines then ever helped.
    That wasn’t true in the beginning when the vaccines worked. Now they are designed to cause lifetime illness to extract as much money from the individualas as possible.

    You said;
    “If you are older and have any of the several co morbidities that contribute to an unfavorable result should you contract Covid it might be wise to consider receiving the vaccine.”

    By that logic, you’re also more likely to come down with cancer, so maybe they should do chemotherapy as a preventative? Which is stupid because chemo causes cancer! And the shot causes numerous problems which the Internet is full of examples. It is not safe or effective, experimental with unknown long-term effects, it has been shown to create more problems than it solves. Just like chemotherapy.
    They’re trying to fix something that isn’t broke.

    Much of what else you said, I have no problem with.

  • Max

    While most people are debating the minutia (how many angels in dance on the head of a pin) others are cutting to the chase, examining the actual actions of our politicians and the ramifications on our freedoms. Conclusion?
    We are at war. 12 minutes
    Clear logical thinking with Scary but undeniable conclusion.

    The Constitution guarantees you the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness… If anyone tries to take these things away, we have the duty to secure our freedoms. The tree of liberty is a vampire. The Liberty tree will die without the blood of patriots…
    Chaos and disorder works for the enemy, how many freedoms are we losing while people are doing Facebook entries and TicToc contests. (bread and circus)

    If you can be forced to have medical treatment like experimental dangerous vaccine, then you no longer have any rights. Not even over your own body let alone a right to anything else you think you own.
    Next mandates will be over your health, and the food that will be banned, The medication you must take, the nutrition you must eat, The sugar and salt that you must not eat, The energy you can no longer consume and the websites that will no longer be available to you. The schools approved for your children starting at three (or they will be removed from the home) and what churches will be allowed to congregate. (It must profess faith in global warming)

    This cannot be laid at the feet of the Democrats, they may be robbing the bank but the Republicans are driving the getaway car!
    Just look how many were quick at the last minute to cross the aisle to vote with the Democrats when it was obvious the Democrats are not united on how much to fleece the American people? Prosperity must be punished!
    Look at all those countries with their greedy little hands out at the global warming conference, an entire world on welfare!

    With water getting scarce and farmland being consumed by the rich, who is going to give all those countries the bad news that they’re going to have to grow their own food?

    Zero carbon economy, means zero carbon consumers. The war is with you!

  • Max

    Some more resource material on the subject.
    An hour long but very thorough. He even uses their own charts as to what you will soon be living without.

    If you require medication’s, have enough to last a few years until another source, besides China, makes them available… if ever.

  • Wayne:

    Have not heard that Beatle’s tune, but the lyrics put me in the mind of Black Sabbath’s ‘War Pigs’ Try it. Id kind of works.

  • wayne

    It’s from the White Album, and needless to say, it didn’t get a lot of radio-play.

    ah… War Pigs….this is an excellent version–>
    ( can someone ID the animation for me?)
    Black Sabbath
    War Pigs

  • wayne

    Music that doesn’t exist, but works surprisingly well….

    Metallica, Megadeth, and The Who –
    “Eminence of Holy Wars and Creeping Death”
    Bill McLintock Mashups 2018

  • Max

    The surveillance state.
    “Slaves have no right to privacy.”
    As the Z man stated above;
    “the board members view their jobs as positions of power and control, so important that they have the right to destroy anyone who dares criticize them. More important, these individuals apparently think they should have more control and power of the district’s children than their parents.”

    As the man who was nearly on the Supreme Court stated, the parents are the terrorists! Those who speak out at school board meetings are anti-state and are the enemy of the state. All tools of the FBI, intelligence agencies, google, and other information sources will be used against you. Or at least miss remembered, misspelled, and held against you.

    What can go wrong? The marriage of the DMV with the Apple computer/phone company aka China? (terms of service state, any information or pictures on your phone is the property of Apple)

    My personal information was sold by the DMV to the University of Utah where they resold it to make money for the school… resulting in my credit score being locked for the past 15 years.

    In Britain, it’s even worse. The old man in the chair talking about digital currency of pre-programmed money! (4 min) You can only buy what they allow you to buy depending on your social status, social well-being, social awareness, and social score. (they are also installing defibrillators in the schools! At 12 min)

    Just heard on the radio on my way home from work this morning that the lancet study on who is spreading COVID determined that there is no difference between the vaccinated and the unvaccinated. The shots prevent nothing.

    Dr Bob Martin in the first hour of his show covered the information from the whistle blower that worked for the pharmaceutical company that falsified their data in developing the shots. (They won’t be held responsible for any damages so who cares how the shots are made it or what they made it out of… Everyone knows it’s experimental and never tested on animals and they still volunteered anyway)

  • Eddie Munster

    Max, wow, that’s just an astonishingly dumb take on that study. Perhaps you are being purposefully deceitful? Two minutes of reading turned this up:

    “Although vaccines remain highly effective at preventing severe disease and deaths from COVID-19, our findings suggest that vaccination is not sufficient to prevent transmission of the delta variant in household settings with prolonged exposures.”

    Please note that it clearly says that the vaccine is highly effective at preventing severe disease and deaths. Please also note that this study focused on the delta variant in household settings with prolonged exposure. That’s a very specific transmission case. To oversimplify and state “no difference” as you did is incorrect.

    The same report also states:

    “vaccination was more effective at curbing transmission of the alpha variant within the household, at between 40 and 50%”.

    Again, that is certainly not nothing as you have claimed. Do better!

  • Eddie Munster cited: ““vaccination was more effective at curbing transmission of the alpha variant within the household, at between 40 and 50%”.”

    Wow. The Alpha variant is the most-studied, and the variant on which the vaccine effort was focused. That protection rate is pretty lame. You know what else is lame? About 40% of infected individuals are asymptomatic. Children under 18 have been nearly immune from the disease. This is not an Apocalyptic event. Panic and hysteria were perhaps justified in late 2019; not so much by late 2020. But here it is, the end of 2021, and government is still acting like this is A Thing That Needs Fixing.

    On the street, no one cares about COVID-19 protocols, except Government. We are still masking and social distancing. We are allowing our children to be injected with an experimental drug. The entire world has been turned upside down, over something far less deadly than a lot of other things we don’t seem too concerned about.

    Does this make sense to you?

  • Eddie Munster

    Blair Ivey, 40 or 50% is significantly more than zero. Everything else you said is beside the point of the conversation, so you’re obviously trying to deflect due to your weak point of argument. It’s apparent that so many of you don’t understand and are simply scared. That’s ok, there are lots of people feeling the same way. But your denial, lies, and opinions on scientific matters aren’t helping. On the contrary, they’re actively working against the world’s efforts to eliminate this threat.

  • wayne

    Eddie Munster–
    “It’s apparent that so many of you don’t understand and are simply scared.”

    Who in the Brandon, are You?

    “The hardest part of “15 days to flatten the curve,” is always the first 18 months.”

    “You’re An Errand Boy, Sent by Grocery Clerks, To Collect The Bill”
    Apocalypse Now (1979)

  • wayne

    Tom MacDonald –
    “Fake Woke” (Jan 29, 2021)

    “They so, fake woke, facts don’t care about feelings
    They know, they won’t, tell me what to believe in….”

  • Max

    Eddie Munster said;
    “Max, wow, that’s just an astonishingly dumb take on that study. Perhaps you are being purposefully deceitful?”
    No, not trying to be deceitful and I “never read the article”… As I stated, I heard it on the radio on my way home from work. (at 6:30 Sunday morning in light traffic)
    I was hoping someone would post the article to clarify what I heard as I was on my way to bed to sleep all day.
    Thank you for telling us about the article, I would have preferred you posted it for those who didn’t see it. (to prevent anyone from claiming you were trying to be deceitful)

    I found a different site talking about it?

    That appears the lancet was being very careful to say the right keywords to prevent Google and Facebook and others from permanently banning it for hearsay. It’s not only reflected in the title of this article, but in the comments there after. Apparently most people have no trouble reading between the lines.

    Some lines are blatant;
    “The vaccinated also had a similar viral load as the unvaccinated”
    Which was pretty close to what the newscast said.
    It’s pretty clear that the shots work as well as last year’s flu shot. (maybe not, thousands are not dying from the flu shots nor are young men having heart attacks from the flu shots)

    Your unwavering faith in a unproven and untested experimental vaccine reminds me of the Christians who handle snakes to prove that they have faith. If bitten, will not die. That seems extremely reckless. I personally have no faith in Fauci, Bill Gates, and the drug companies who except their employees from using their own product!
    I’ve also been witness to too many vaccine/ DNA modifier failures. (including my own wife who opted to retire early after her second shot that she was bullied into getting by the school district… She no longer could do the work)
    She has heard from her old coworkers that 5 have come down with Covid, all have been vaccinated.
    And here at my work, The Young’ns were laughing about how they all caught Covid three weeks ago and spent two weeks out of work and collected $500 for getting the vaccine shot. A fourth caught his Covid a day after his vaccination without being exposed to anyone.

    I really like what this person said in the comment section which is worth repeating here;

    “Why do the protected need to be protected from the unprotected, by forcing the unprotected to use the protection that didn’t protect the protected in the first place?”
    “The vaccinated need to be protected from the unvaccinated as the armed need to be protected from the unarmed”

    it appears the weapons of the armed don’t work, or they literally blow up in their face causing injury and death!

    We just hired 30+ people to replace those that Have died or can no longer work. None caused by COVID-19.
    When the shots came out we were told that we no longer need to wear masks and could be tested every six weeks. Yesterday they announced that everyone must be tested every two weeks, everyone must wear our facemasks again regardless of vaccination status!
    I can firmly say from personal observation, the vaccines do not work!!!

  • Cotour

    This video is 1 hour and 13 minutes, all you have to watch is the first 3 minutes to get the point:

    This is a result of some Covid vaccine injections: “I immediately had a metallic taste in my mouth”.

    This may well be a result of the needle accidentally piercing a vein or blood vessel and introducing the mRNA vaccines directly into the blood system. Besides the many examples of very fit Athletes grasping their chests on the field or during exertion.

    But much of these instances are not featured on any main stream news or social media platform, to find it you have to dig for it. Its not allowed.

    With risk should come choice. And no one can argue that the mRNA vaccines designed to deal with Covid that they are not experimental.

  • Cotour

    I had recently heard of three soccer players previously collapsing on the field grasping their chests, apparently its happening quit a bit more than that. I heard of one hockey player that died.

    Tony Heller: 2 min.

    Why does this seem to be happening much more than usual?

    Lets see, what is the one thing that these young, top athletes in excellent condition all have in common……………hmmmmmmm?

    I believe they are all vaccinated with the mRNA vaccine in order to play?

    What do you think?

    (And again, I am not an anti vaxxer, not at all. But with risk must come choice.)

  • wayne

    as I’ve said before– I always read your stuff.
    I’ve been checking out the Doc a bit more recently.

    Does anyone remember when ‘vaccines’ were blamed for causing autism in children? Now, they are required. (or some such rot)

    a flash from the past… (compare & contrast)

    “Unconditional Surrender”
    The Polio Vaccine (1956)

  • Eddie Munster

    “Why do the protected need to be protected from the unprotected, by forcing the unprotected to use the protection that didn’t protect the protected in the first place?”
    “The vaccinated need to be protected from the unvaccinated as the armed need to be protected from the unarmed”

    That’s clearly the simple thought process of someone who doesn’t understand how epidemics travel through populations. Its not a clever play on words, its an admission of lack of understanding. Unfortunately, people who don’t understand this, and therefore reject it, are the reason the US can’t get this thing under control. Its very simple when you strip it down. The longer we allow the virus to float around the population and spread, whether by the unvaccinated, or the vaccinated, the more chances it has to evolve into newer forms that could be more deadly or for which the current vaccine has lesser efficiency. Sure, some vaccinated people can still catch covid, and could pass it onto others, but the chances are reduced. And, their personal chances for serious complications and death are reduced.

    And all that other conspiritorial nonsense is just that. There is no need to read between the lines for hidden messages in studies, The Lancet isn’t going to be “cancelled”. people are not dying from the vaccine, a metallic taste has nothing to do with the vaccine, young men aren’t having heart attacks from the vaccine, athletes aren’t grasping their chests because of the vaccine. That’s all just nonsense.

  • Cotour


    “people are not dying from the vaccine, a metallic taste has nothing to do with the vaccine, young men aren’t having heart attacks from the vaccine, athletes aren’t grasping their chests because of the vaccine. That’s all just nonsense.”

    You should never make absolute statements like that, especially when there has been provided evidence to the contrary.

    Why? Because it is just no so as demonstrated by actual real world evidence. Do you doubt someone who testifies that they have an immediate metallic taste in their mouth as the needle is withdrawn from their arm? I have heard several people state the same. Coincidence?

    This pro bike rider had the same exact testimony;

    And he developed pericarditis too boot. Documented. (Whats wrong with you making a statement like that?)

  • Eddie Munster

    Do you doubt someone who testifies that they have an immediate metallic taste in their mouth as the needle is withdrawn from their arm? I have heard several people state the same. Coincidence?

    Yes, yes I do. I doubt anecdotal “evidence” like that. Just because someone said they had that experience is not proof that it was caused by what they believe to be the cause. It just doesn’t work that way. Reliable, demonstrable, scientifically sound conclusions can’t be drawn from that. It could be coincidence, nefarious actors, ulterior motives, grifters, or honest misguided people, but its not science.

  • Cotour

    And all those soccer players going down on the field in 2020 and 2021? All just a big coincidence?

    Seriously man, awaken.

    There are documented negative effects of the mRNA “Vaccine” (Which IMO is not a vaccine but a drug / gene therapy) like it or not.

    And like I stated: If their is risk their should be choice. No government has the right to mandate that someone take an experimental drug / therapy into their body. Would you like to argue that the mRNA “Vaccine” is experimental?

  • Cotour

    Before you answer that last question you might want to review this:

    Awaken, Eddie Munster, willful ignorance is ignorance just the same.

  • Eddie Munster

    Dude, that video you linked regarding soccer players and other athletes has no information linking whatever was going on to vaccines. Nothing! It was just a 2 minute video of people falling down and screenshots of news headlines, none of which mention covid or vaccines. I see absolutely no point or value to that video whatsoever.

    I did find one link regarding a danish soccer player that had a heart event that was erroneously attributed to the vaccine. Turns out he wasn’t vaccinated.

    On the subject of whether the vaccine is “experimental”, no it is not.

    If your concern is the relative newness of mRNA technology, I can understand that. But you should know that although the specific covid vaccine developed is new, the mRNA technology used to develop it has been developed for over a decade. So, that technology is not new or something to be feared.

  • Cotour

    “The mRNA technology has been in development for a decade or more”.

    (It takes almost decade to establish the safety and efficacy of most traditional vaccines. This is NOT a traditional vaccine. Its brand new and experimental in this application V Covid in the real world. And that can not be argued with. This application of mRNA has a total record of about 20 months in full blown use. Its one big world wide human experiment)

    If there is risk there should be choice.

    And that is my main point and takeaway related to the vaccine and any government that deems to mandate that everyone have it injected into their bodies.

    I am not an anti vaxxer. But the facts are the facts.

  • Cotour

    And this:

    May turn out to be the biggest negative part of this rushed world wide human experiment.

    The spike protein may enter the nucleus of cells? Stay tuned on this one because it is unknown at this time.

    Its a big experiment, Munster.

  • Eddie Munster

    With technology improvements, I would expect a faster pace of innovation. Good for us!

    You’ve linked to that Merogenomics video before. As near as I can tell, they are a company of three people specializing in genetic testing. And the lead PhD seems to have about 10 years of experience. That’s not a resume I would want to stand up against the world’s foremost experts in virology and epidemics, and the capabilities of the largest pharma companies in the world. Genetic testing is not even related to the study of viruses and the production of vaccines.

    You’re arguments have no basis in fact. You are looking for information that confirms your biases and opinions.

  • Cotour

    “With technology improvements, I would expect a faster pace of innovation. Good for us!”

    And I have a confirmation bias? That in fact means nothing. We wait to see what the potential long term effects of this technology is. And that is a fact.

    Will full ignorance is ignorance all the same.

    I will stick with my interpretation of the information and opinions that I have access to. And common sense.

    Would you agree at least that a mandate by government to force people to take this mRNA vaccine or lose their job is unreasonable and dictatorial?

  • Eddie Munster

    We have the same access to information, you’re just choosing the opinions you favor, even if its incorrect information.

    Would you agree at least that a mandate by government to force people to take this mRNA vaccine or lose their job is unreasonable and dictatorial?

    No. Sorry, I’m afraid we even differ there. I see vaccines as in the best interest of society as a whole and much more than an individual rights issue. Nobody’s individual rights extend to the point of putting others in harm. Never have and never will. I also see people who actively oppose that as selfish and even unpatriotic.

  • Cotour

    “I see vaccines as in the best interest of society ”

    If you were talking about traditional and proven vaccines only you may have more of a convincing argument, but they are not and you do not. Your classifying both vaccine technology as being the same is incorrect. You are not understanding the difference.

    If you are vaccinated then what threat does someone who is not vaccinated pose to you? Especially if you can both still become infected even though you are vaccinated?

  • Eddie Munster

    “If you are vaccinated then what threat does someone who is not vaccinated pose to you? Especially if you can both still become infected even though you are vaccinated?”

    I think you sort of answered your own question there.

    But I’ll elaborate in three parts. First, even though I have some increased protection, its not 100%. So, an unvaccinated person is clearly still a direct risk to me with the strains of virus that exist now. Second, by remaining unvaccinated and a host to the virus an unvaccinated person is allowing it more chance to evolve into something that the vaccine would no longer protect me from. Third, its not all about me, as it seems to be for the personal choice advocates. I am just as concerned about others for the same reasons, as well as for the unfortunate people that have conditions that preclude them from getting the vaccine. My choice to get vaccinated wasn’t only to protect me, it was to protect everyone. Anyone who doesn’t see how their concept of freedom of choice trumping the need for vaccination isn’t understanding, or doesn’t want to.

  • Cotour

    So you are protecting everyone by getting a vaccine, a vaccine that does not protect you from getting infected while you are protecting everyone from getting infected.

    I get it, makes perfect sense. (?)

    (And PS: I believe that if you are older and have the several co morbidities that it may well be an acceptable move to get at least one shot. Why? Because those are the people who are at the greatest risk to have the worst Covid results should they become infected. BUT, to mindlessly accept a mandate from your government (Which is going to fail) which you will lose your job if you do not comply is so Communist Chinese. AND to allow your 5 year old to receive that very same “Vaccine” is IMO child abuse. Why? Because the mRNA “Vaccine” is experimental. I am not certain what country you think you live in.)

    I will stick with my interpretation.

  • Eddie Munster

    Really? Sure its amusing to state it that way, but if that’s all you got out of the conversation, I’ve wasted my time trying to explain it to you. Let me rephrase what you wrote to make more sense of that jumble of words:

    So you are protecting others by getting a vaccine. A vaccine that can increase your protection from getting infected/sick/dying while you are protecting others from getting infected/sick/dying.

    There, just a few word changes and the intent is clear. I never said the vaccine provided 100% protection for me or others. It provides increased protection and reduced risk of complications and death. If that means a I or others are less sick, fewer people die, and we can put the virus down as soon as possible, then its completely worth it.

    As for the notes on china, child abuse, etc, that’s just bluster meant to appeal to emotions to further an argument when one doesn’t have facts on their side. Comments like that are not given any weight in a serious debate.

  • Cotour

    I always have a serious debate.

    We are going to have to agree to disagree at this point.

  • Cotour

    One more item, you suggested that NOT receiving the vaccine promotes mutation.

    Actually having to give the mRNA “Vaccine” over and over in a booster because its really not a vaccine actually trains the virus to defeat the “Vaccine”. (That is not good)

    The mRNA “Vaccine” is what is considered “leaky”.

    And it being “Leaky” and being the “New” mRNA type of “Vaccine” and not the Older type of vaccine there exists the real potential for a more virulent version of the virus to appear. It is a potential, especially if you are forced to keep training the virus to defeat the “Vaccine” because its really not a well proven vaccine because it is still experimental.

    Just one more aspect of this issue that you are not properly informed on.

  • Cotour

    And this is interesting: List of association footballers who died while playing.

    If you were to look through the list over the years the average deaths of footballers appears to be about 4 to 5 per year. Now scroll down to 2021 and find 14 deaths so far this year. Almost 3 times the deaths per year for footballers.

    What did they all appear to die from? Cardiac arrest.

    Anecdotal? Coincidence?

  • Eddie Munster

    Not even sure what you’re inferring with the term “leaky vaccine”. Leaky as I’ve seen it in the literature refers to the fact that it’s effectiveness in preventing infection is not zero, which nobody has ever claimed. The term has nothing to do with the type of vaccine or how it was developed, so it would appear folks are using that term because it sounds bad in some way. Like a leaky radiator or oil pan. Here’s a simple link debunking the idea that the COVID vaccine is not responsible for mutations in the virus.

    Your live science article is fine, I can certainly see how a deadlier virus can evolve. But I’ve been saying that. I would argue that it’s being caused by the presence of the unvaccinated group in the population. Sure, it’s possible for a virus to be spread by both vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals. But, if the vaccinated group has a reduced reaction and is able to overcome the virus faster compared to the unvaccinated group, then it is the presence of the unvaccinated that is perpetuating the presence of the virus, prolonging it, thus giving it more time to evolve into another form. That’s exactly the point I was making earlier, so for confirmation..

    Here’s an interesting quote from your article:

    “But that doesn’t mean you should forgo the jab at your doctor’s office; if anything, the new results provide even more reason for people to get vaccinated, said study co-author Andrew Read, a disease ecologist at Pennsylvania State University in State College.”

    Lastly, on your footballer death info…What does it prove? It’s just a list of deaths over the years, for a variety of reasons, none of which are listed as COVID or the vaccine. I see ruptured bowels, tetanus, spinal injuries, and heart failures. Mildly interesting, but not at all related to COVID or the vaccine.

  • Cotour

    “The essence of this arms race is this: The more people you vaccinate, the greater the number of vaccine-resistant mutations you are likely to get, the less durable the vaccines will become, ever more powerful vaccines will have to be developed, and individuals will be exposed to more and more risk.

    Science tells us here that today’s vaccines, which use novel gene therapy technologies, generate powerful antigens that direct the immune system to attack specific components of the virus. Thus, when the virus infects a person with a “leaky” vaccination, the viral progeny will be selected to escape or resist the effects of the vaccine.

    If the entire population has been trained via a universal vaccination strategy to have the same basic immune response, then once a viral escape mutant is selected, it will rapidly spread through the entire population – whether vaccinated or not.”

    “What then is to be done? A far more optimal strategy is to vaccinate only the most vulnerable. This will limit the amount of vaccine-resistant mutations and thereby slow, if not halt, the current vaccine arms race…”

    This article is from August of 2021 and this appears to be what is now on going. “Leaky” vaccines are not optimal, especially in the middle of a pandemic apparently.

  • Eddie Munster

    Why on earth would you go to a financial forecasting publisher like for information about public health and the pandemic? Would you go to your mechanic for mass or the grocery store for a root canal?

    Folks really need to look credentials and motivations for the sources they find for online information and then think long and hard about whether they should be trusted. Then, look for different confirm8ng sources with different funding, motivations, political leanings, etc.

  • Cotour

    You do not know who, Dr. Robert Malone is.

  • Eddie Munster

    I found this article in less than 60 seconds entitled “ The Vaccine Scientist Spreading Vaccine Misinformation”.

    He’s a virologist, that sounds promising. But you have to be more critical of your sources. Ask yourself why would a reputable scientist with valid information be providing it via a financial forecasting website? That’s fishy to say the least. Why not in a reputable scientific journal? Why is he not doing studies to prove his theory? Why is he not presenting data supporting his claim that can withstand peer review? Why is he in the minority of expert opinion?

    Something sound off? Does none of that ring any alarm bells for you? Make you want to investigate him as a reliable source? Maybe there’s more to the story? Maybe there are ulterior motives? He seems to have some resentment and complicated history with another leader in mRNA development at BioNTech, maybe there’s something there.

  • Questioner

    Cotour: Here are some quotes for reflection.

    Thomas Hobbes: „

    Auctoritas, non veritas facit legem“ (Authority, not truth, makes the laws or gives them validity.)

    Carl Schmitt:

    “The specific distinction to which political actions and motives can be traced is the distinction between friend and foe. (…) Political thinking and political instinct prove themselves theoretically and practically in the ability to distinguish friend and foe. The high points of great politics are at the same time the moments when the enemy is clearly recognized as the enemy. ”

    “A democracy can be militaristic or pacifistic, absolutist or liberal, centralistic or decentralizing, progressive or reactionary, and everything can be different again at different times without ceasing to be a democracy.”

    „The concept of humanity is an especially useful ideological instrument of imperialist expansion, and in its ethical-humanitarian form it is a specific vehicle of economic imperialism.“

    „All law is “situational law.” The sovereign produces and guarantees the situa in its totality. He has the monopoly over this last decision.“

    „The essence of liberalism is negotiation, a cautious half measure, in the hope that the definitive dispute, the decisive bloody battle, can be transformed into a parliamentary debate and permit the decision to be suspended forever in an everlasting discussion.“

    „The political entity presupposes the real existence of an enemy and therefore coexistence with another political entity. As long as a state exists, there will thus always be in the world more than just one state. A world state which embraces the entire globe and all of humanity cannot exist.“

  • Max

    Questioner quotes:
    “A world state which embraces the entire globe and all of humanity cannot exist.“

    Dr Coleman warning to the world, A vaccine injected into a person creates antibodies…
    A modified RNA genetic manipulator reprograms the cells to produce a spike protein which turns the body into a “gane of function” laboratory with random consequences which can quickly become uncontrollable. 22min

    Wayne asked;
    “Does anyone remember when ‘vaccines’ were blamed for causing autism in children? Now, they are required. (or some such rot)”

    Robert Kennedy Junior of children’s defense fund, that monitors vaccine issues because of his own children being affected, will be on coast to coast tonight (Tuesday) probably talking about his new book on Fauci. (many people are calling for Nuremberg style trial)

    Because of vaccine issues my mother experienced with my older siblings, I never received any vaccinations. (One older brother got his vaccinations to go to Europe, got off the plane in Holland and went straight to the hospital for a month)
    I Still haven’t had any vaccinations to this day. Unlike Cotour, “I am” anti-VAX…
    Makes you wonder how the human race survived, without all the modern interventions that the medical community, science, and politicians insist that we cannot live without…

    Like Kennedy, both of my children needed medical treatment after vaccinations. My wife and I were in our early 20s and was bullied into allowing them to inject our children for grade school. My oldest had a reaction, her body rejecting her kidneys for which she took an anti-rejection drug for 20 years.
    My youngest had encephalitis, fevers and night sweats, some so severe that the doctors gave her a 50/50 chance of being permanently brain-damaged. Most in this condition become autistic.

    The states that insist for more injections at a younger age, have an increased amount of autism.
    Dead pathogens, Preserved and covered with metal ions to prevent them from dissolving are injected into a child’s veins to produce antibodies.
    Unfortunately, they still find their way to the receptor sites in the brain causing inflammation, (not disease) which the immune system cannot break down. The preserved intrusion results in the auto rejection of the still developing brain, which is the leading cause of autism. The only known way to prevent this is to quickly give the young children anti-inflammatories, and anti-rejection drugs to suppress the immune system to prevent the brain damage until the body can normalize which may take years.

    It is far better, with modern nutrition and sanitary conditions, not to be vaccinated rather than risking a lifetime of bad health.

  • Cotour

    Eddie M:

    Dr. Malone’s name is on the patents that describe the mRNA vaccine method of “Vaccination”, where ever he finds space in media to express his, I think you would have to agree, are very well qualified and informed opinions they should be heeded.

    He has a more cautious attitude about what is going on today in America regarding this virus and the proper application of any vaccine to combat it. And that being so makes him a pariah in the eyes of the media / Social media / government.

    You need to see things more through the lens of skepticism when evaluating such things IMO.

    The government, the Media, Social Media are playing on a political side that does not really have your best interests in the forefront of their minds.

    You stick with the CDC, the FDA, the WHO (Not that WHO) and Dr. Fauci. They all have a stellar record in this subject.

    I will stick with Malone and those who listen to his very experienced and informed, balanced real world opinions.

    This interview is 3 hours long, I think it might benefit you to watching the entire thing:

    There is a vast difference between what the government, big pharma, big tech social media and the extreme Leftists that are herding them and the real world.

    Government at best is a blunt instrument, and at worst will severely harm you or kill you.

    Listen to Malone he is very prescient on this subject, as are the other participants.

  • wayne

    sorry to hear of your experiences.
    Thimerosal, (a mercury based derivative) which is a preservative used in vaccines, was the chemical implicated in autism, but I am very leery of assigning cause-n-effect.
    Serendipitously, I spent a huge portion of my time in mental health working with folks with autism.

    I’m having a unusually hard time finding the original Darkhorse podcast to which you link. (But good stuff.) I’ve actually been sampling them a bit more recently.

  • Cotour

    Yes, Wayne, the shorter 13 minute money clip is missing. Hmmmmm.

    But the take away about what is what regarding the mRNA / Spike protein “Vaccine” can be found in the initial 30 minutes of the 3 hour clip.

    You can lead a horse to water, but you can not make him drink.

    The Government, CDc, FDA, big media etc, etc, are forcing the public (Eddie M.) to drink their water.

    BUT, for the time being there is still real information in the world for the moment where the truth or as close to the truth can be distilled.

  • Questioner

    Cotour and Max:

    The more I read from Carl Schmitt, the more enthusiastic I am. More quotes:

    „The political is the most intense and extreme antagonism, and every concrete antagonism becomes that much more political the closer it approaches the most extreme point, that of the friend-enemy grouping.“

    „Every religious, moral, economic, ethical, or other antithesis transforms into a political one if it is sufficiently strong to group human beings effectively according to friend and enemy. The political does not reside in the battle itself, which. possesses its own technical, psychological, and military laws, but in the mode of behavior which is determined by this possibility, by clearly evaluating the concrete situation and thereby being able to distinguish correctly the real friend and the real enemy.“

    „Nobody can valuate without devaluating, revaluating, and serving one’s interests. Whoever sets a value, takes position against a disvalue by that very action. The boundless tolerance and the neutrality of the standpoints and viewpoints turn themselves very quickly into their opposite, into enmity, as soon as the enforcement is carried out in earnest. The valuation pressure of the value is irresistible, and the conflict of the valuator, devaluator, revaluator, and implementor, inevitable.“

    „All significant concepts of the modern theory of the state are secularized theological concepts not only because of their historical development—in which they were transferred from theology to the theory of the state, whereby, for example, the omnipotent God became the omnipotent lawgiver—but also because of their systematic structure, the recognition of which is necessary for a sociological consideration of these concepts. The exception in jurisprudence is analogous to the miracle in theology.“

  • Cotour

    Questioner: My contribution to this thought process and these assessments about what exactly politics and governance is about.


    ​ALL forms of governance and government, whether it be a King or a Congress, no matter where on the planet or in what ever particular time in history it exists accomplishes one thing, the abuse of power. Its just a matter of to what degree. “Government” serves as a necessary organizational and management structure in order that human beings live in a somewhat stable and successful society model.

    Government is necessary, it serves an essential purpose, BUT, it is a necessary evil.

    And this fundamental expression of human nature and its potential, the abuse of power, very well understood by the Founders, lies at the core of the American Constitution in an attempt to counter balance that nature.


    The Existential Exercise Of Power And The Foundation Of The Abuse Of Power

    Copyright, J.G.L. 2011


    How civilizations, governments and wars and their leadership throughout history are founded, fought and at their existential human core operate.

    EXPLANATION: Strategy Over Morality describes a two-tiered “conversation” between a Public and their Empowered Leadership where the Public believes there is only a single, no tiered conversation occurring and that single conversation is assumed by the Public to relate to the Public’s morality and truth model perspective.

    A model in which leadership or their empowered subordinates within government can subjectively justify to choose to formulate an interpretation of their core fiduciary responsibilities which becomes paramount over and above the public’s truth and morality model. Where plausible deniability can be claimed when “immoral” acts or modified “truth” strategies (lies) are employed or executed by leadership, their subordinates or by arms length leadership proxies.

    In this “conversation”, leadership in the empowered “Political Realm” or their empowered subordinates step “down” to the public’s level, the “Pedestrian Realm”, and presents information, agenda, policy or strategy in a tailored, palatable package the public can believe and comfortably accept. Leadership then steps back to their “higher” level, formulates and executes “necessary”, by their subjective standards, agenda, policy and strategy where the public’s interpretation of morality or truth is not relevant or becomes optional.

    CONCLUSION: The public lives and operates under a subjective moral code or within a “Pedestrian Realm” perspective which they assume their leadership which exists within the “Political Realm” is constrained by. This is a subjective false perspective conclusion on the part of the public. Leadership at its existential core is not about morality, truth and honesty. Leadership is about the fundamental exercise of power and survival.


    ​PUBLIC OR “PEDESTRIAN REALM”: The individual citizens of any civilization, society, state or country.

    LEADERSHIP OR “POLITICAL REALM”: Any macro empowered individual or governing entity or their direct subordinates concerned with the formulation and implementation of laws, strategies and policies, both civil and military.

    LEADERSHIPS CORE PRIME DIRECTIVE: Above all else and at any cost the securing, promotion and survival of the society, culture, territory, treasure and power.


  • wayne

    I do know the Darkhorse podcasts are on other platforms besides YT, he’s had some specific episodes deleted by them.

    I’ve intentionally not spent huge amounts of time becoming an ‘expert’ in virology and vaccines. That being said— just do a search for the “Full Prescribing Information” PDF file for each of the ‘vaccine’ versions. I’m looking at the “Comirnaty” (Pfizer) one right now.

    Section 11: Description
    “Each dose of COMIRNATY contains 30 mcg of a nucleoside-modified messenger RNA (mRNA) encoding the viral spike (S) glycoprotein of SARS-CoV-2.”
    Section: 12.1 Mechanism of Action:
    “The nucleoside-modified mRNA in COMIRNATY is formulated in lipid particles, which enable delivery of the mRNA into host cells to allow expression of the SARS-CoV-2 S antigen. The vaccine elicits an immune response to the S antigen, which protects against COVID-19.”

    Then, look up the Full Prescribing Information for what I’d call the “traditionally derived” vaccines, and compare and contrast.

  • Cotour

    Malone and the others talk specifically about this subject, and what do they reveal?

    The spike protein and how it is delivered is designed and engineered to be injected into the deltoid muscle, remain there, and cause the anti body response from the body to occur. BUT IT DOES NOT DO WHAT IT IS DESIGNED AND ENGINEERED TO DO.


    The spike protein freely migrates around the body and lodges in various tissues and in its full form is apparently toxic. In addition it may even be able to invade the nucleus of the cell and interfere with normal DNA expression. And the vaccine was touted as not being able to do so. And the government agencies apparently knew it before hand? Stay tuned on that data and analysis.

    And given this fact the mRNA vaccine has expressed itself in some very “Interesting” ways in a segment of those who have had it injected into their bodies. From cardiac arrest and pericarditis to myocarditis to death, to female reproduction issues, to joint issues, its a long list.

    Keeping in mind, Malone himself has received the full dose of the Moderna vaccine. He is not an anti vaxxer, nor am I an anti vaxxer. IMO those at greatest risk should consider taking it. But given the DNA cell interruption potential, do you want that being shot into your 5 year old still developing child?

    If your 70 plus? Two very different things, you NEVER risk the health of the youth who have little to no effects from Covid in an effort to protect the older among us, especially when they are for the most part all VACCINATED! Or more properly “VACCINATED!”

    This entire things stinks to high heaven. And you are not allowed to talk about it as far as the government and big tech / Globalists are concerned. They seek to literally own everyone.

  • Cotour

    I originally listened to the cut version of this discussion that was 13 minutes long. Which I can no longer find it on Youtube. (?)

    And it was concerning. : Breit Weinstein, Dr. Robert Malone (mRNA vaccine technology inventor and patent holder) and Steve Kirsch, entrepreneur. 3 hours.

    Listening to the entire 3 hr. discussion is terrifying!

    Three qualified nerds to be listened to about this entire Covid / “Vaccine” issue.

    Why have most all doctors and organization been hesitant to speak honestly about this issue, Covid v “Vaccine”? There appears to be 1. Fear of the Left and Social media / “politically correct” / Cancel culture.

    And what must be asked is, where and what is all of this fear really being driven by leading to rational people to abandon their common sense and Hippocratic oath as doctors?

    This IMO is much, much bigger than just what the / these Political Realm analysts and experts are discussing.

    Much bigger, and if the power structure of the world is ever able to recover to a more rational and no Globalist agenda I suspect that the purpetrators of this offence to rational thought and morality will be prosecuted criminally.

    Everyone in charge is apparently being leveraged or threatened on many levels which has delivered us all to this point where doctors are being forced to deny what is clear, perversion, corruption which is leading to death and harm and possible long term need for medical care because of this perversion.

    Call me crazy, but the facts are clear and what they infer is chilling and runs to the highest levels of government, the corporate world and politics.

    Infer: Deduce or conclude (information) from evidence and reasoning rather than from explicit statements.

  • Cotour


    “This IMO is much, much bigger than just what the / these Political Realm analysts and experts are discussing.”

    Should have read: “Pedestrian Realm analysts and experts”

  • Cotour: Do you search Rumble for these videos? I think you should, you might find them. And in general you should use that source if possible.

  • Cotour

    Will look, thanks.

    Youtube did me a favor, watching the entire 3 hr discussion is extremely enlightening, they cover everything that concerns me and has formulated my perspective.

    I suggest spending the time for anyone who wants to get a better grasp on this / these Covid V Vaccine issues to watch that Dark Horse video.

    I am sure, Eddie Munster is just about finishing it up and will be commenting on his new understanding and perspective soon. I can’t wait.

  • Cotour has points.

    Given the observable data, a global biological experiment has been/is taking place, without the consent of the governed. I would venture that this is not tinfoil hat territory, but a hypothesis that fits the observations Alternative hypotheses are entirely welcomed.

  • Cotour

    “Given the observable data, a global biological experiment has been/is taking place, without the consent of the governed.”

    And given these now generally agreed upon and now plainly visible and undeniable facts, we must ask: How does such a thing happen?

    And the rational answer will range from 1. Just the fact that the unknown and the fear that has been developed in relation to an unseen virus “enemy”, by a blunt instrument government, and a dark trending for clicks corporate media, and an opportunistic big pharma profit machine has made the people irrational in their fear and made their leadership irrational and they have just grasped onto what has been offered by technology as “the solution”.

    A kind of more rational explanation, fear, chaos and confusion drives such thinking and actions, but. This IMO would explain the first say 6 months of the Covid situation. After that point you have more of a hold on things and you deploy all the ammunition and fire power in your medical kit, on label and off label to dial it all down and get things under control. That is rational every day thinking. But that is not what has happened.


    2. There has been a political agenda in the draw, much like the Patriot Act, waiting for the opportunity to be deployed. And what is that agenda pre written and sitting in that dark draw? GLOBALISM and the desire to get the worlds population “Under control” (Their control) and this virus, illegally developed in America, but not in China, delivered to the world probably accidentally (?) is the opportunity to divide people drenched in fear and roll out and control the corporate “Solution” to the fear in the form of a *Brand New* never before used on humanity “Vaccine” technology. This is driven by political agenda and a desire to control and has not much to do with properly, morally dealing with a world wide medical situation. Dark.


    3. And this would be the darkest and most paranoid “Conspiratorial” interpretation. We have all probably heard of the need for the dialing down or the total elimination of carbon hungry nations driven by the number of people on the planet. And the need for the population to be controlled in some manner other than what has been going on in the past. Now plug into that “need” by the “powers that be” into what is currently underway as you can plainly observe, and what conclusion in the long term does that lead you to?

    And where does the authority to think and act in such an manner in all three of the examples exist? Strategy OVER Morality.

    These extreme and now IMO clearly immoral actions being undertaken by our American government and those in the Political Realm who is driving to dominate and control the population and their ability to operate as a free people through mandates and the similar allied governments around the world stinks of one of these or a bit of all of these explanations listed above. Who could justify injecting a 5 year old with what is known by those who actually understand this *NEW* experimental vaccine technologies? No one in the Pedestrian Realm could ever rationally suggest such a thing. But there it is all the same.

    Explain it. And there is only one way to accomplish that, pump the information known through the S.O.M. filter and what comes out the other end? The Political realm subjective authority to do.

    You tell me.

    (Trump had to go because he was not on board or even read in on this Globalist / Socialist / Democrat party machine agenda to reshape the world and how it fundamentally operates. And so that is what happened. “By any means necessary”, I think is how the axiom goes. And so it goes.)

  • Cotour

    Dr. Campbell reports on a study recommending the intake of vitamin D with vitamin K:

    “A mortality rate of close to zero”.

    But no one in government, the media, or social media will transmit this information to the public.


    (See post above?)

  • …. has made the people irrational in their fear and made their leadership irrational and they have just grasped onto what has been offered by technology as “the solution”..

    As they have been conditioned to all their lives … to defer to the elites who Know Better™. And you are not allowed to question those deemed by our culture to Know Better™ because you aren’t special enough to Know Better™.

    And then there is the flip side, which is a parallel to your point 2, Coutur … those deemed to Know Better™ become engorged with a hubris that (with their followers above) leads them to think that theirs is the One True Way – and you must be EVIL to question it. Therefore, in their minds engaging the coercive use of force to impose the One True Way is justified.

    While this may open the door to darker conspiracies, the above conditions alone are capable of driving a society into decline. Because it removes the checks-and-balances of direct perception, independent reasoning and common sense from decision-making.

  • Questioner


    Some more quotes by Friedrich Nietzsche for your entertainment and reflection:

    “What is good? – All that heightens the feelings of power, the will to power, power itself in man. What is bad? – All that proceeds from weakness. What is happiness? – The feeling that power increases – that a resistance is overcome.”

    “Morality is just a fiction used by the herd of inferior human beings to hold back the few superior men.”

    “Let us not underestimate the privileges of the mediocre. As one climbs higher, life becomes ever harder; the coldness increases, responsibility increases.”

    “Morality is the herd-instinct in the individual.”

    “There are no moral phenomena, only a moral interpretation of phenomena.”

    “The two great European narcotics, alcohol and Christianity.”

    “God created woman. And indeed, that was the end of boredom—but of other things too! Woman was God’s second mistake.”

    “There is not enough love and goodness in the world to permit giving any of it away to imaginary beings.”

    “Is man one of God’s blunders? Or is God one of man’s blunders?”

    “In every ascetic morality man worships a part of himself as God and for that he needs to diabolize the other part.”

  • Cotour


    Yes, I am aware of Nietzsche, quite a dark take on existence.

    His greatest fan and adherent? Adolf Hitler.

    But he gets S.O.M., no doubt.

  • Questioner


    Dark? I think many (and himself) would see it very differently. Because he brought light into the dark parts of the philosophy of the time.

    Nietzsche, one of the greatest philosophers, died already in 1900. He is not responsible who his followers are and who later abused him (incidentally, his sister helped a lot in this, who administered his estate and, as I can read, falsified some things). Incidentally, there are supporters of Nietzsche in all political camps today.

  • Cotour


    I am not questioning, Nietzsche’s influence on philosophy, I think he was quite prescient.

    And to your point about his sister, guess who attended her funeral? (A.H.)

    I ascribe no blame to Nietzsche for what anyone who latched on to his thinking and made of it what they made of it.

    That is like defending someone who takes a gun and kills people whom he or she, “They” Or “Them” disagrees with and hanging their justification for doing so and their innocence on the Second Amendment.

    That would be a fraudulent argument that pointed the finder of blame at the Founders for the existence of the Second Amendment. That is Democrat party machine / Leftist logical confabulation to justify destroying the Country and the Constitution.

  • Questioner


    And the following: Just because Adolf Hitler liked something, these things must also be bad or these people must also be evil or automatically “contaminated” (that is the principle of contact guilt that the left uses in political practice today). Well-known areas that A.H. loved, were for example the opera (especially) Wagner or animal welfare.

  • Cotour

    I want to make an observation here:

    On the 15th, Eddie Munster, posted this article from The Atlantic:

    The Vaccine Scientist Spreading Vaccine Misinformation

    “Robert Malone—a medical doctor and an infectious-disease researcher—recently suggested that the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines might actually make COVID-19 infections worse. He chuckled as he imagined Anthony Fauci announcing that the vaccination campaign was all a big mistake (“Oh darn, I was wrong!”) and would need to be abandoned. When he floated that nightmare scenario during a recent podcast interview with Steve Bannon, both men seemed almost delighted at the prospect of public-health officials and pharmaceutical companies getting their comeuppance.”

    And if you have ever listened to, Dr. Malone you will clearly understand that he is a down the middle scientist and medical doctor that happens to specialize in vaccines and the like. And you understand that he has one agenda in mind, the truth as it relates to the scientific subject he is involved in. So this article is a fraudulent attempt at muddying the waters and is a disservice to the people of America and the world. A shameful and embarrassing and clearly partisan collection of words and sentences. This kind of fraud revolts me. And anyone who is unable to see through it I am sad for.

    This article and this writer is without doubt NOT in the least objective and his article is not about proper medical analysis or healthcare, its a political agenda hit piece. Plain and simple.

    And this is what, Munster hangs his justification for what he believes on? Weak, very, very weak.

    And given that fact one must ask: Who and what does, Mr. Munster intend? Is he just a vanilla flavored typical uniformed member of the public that develops a perspective based in politics and articles like the one in the Atlantic?

    OR, Mr. Munster is assigned by the Democrat party / Leftist machine and coming to BTB to attempt to throw a monkey wrench into the strong analysis that goes on on BTB?

    If you notice as soon as someone presents data and facts, Mr. Munster evaporates into the internet ether.

    And this has happened many, many times here on BTB.


  • Cotour


    You are trying too hard, it is what it is why try to make it into what it is not?

    Hitler loved dogs, German shepherds, I love dogs, German shepherds.

    Does that make me Hitlerian? I will leave you to figure that out.

  • wayne

    Jordan Peterson & Akira The Don
    Thus Spake Zarathustra Chapter 29 Friedrich Nietzsche
    “Tarantulas” ?️
    “Thus, I speak to you in a parable…”

    Jordan Peterson –
    On Nietzsche’s famous quote “God is Dead”

  • wayne

    “Reductio ad Hitlerum”

  • Cotour

    Is it a European thing?

  • Cotour

    And what exactly does this mean?

    “In response to a Freedom of Information Act request (FOIA) filed months ago the FDA has asked a federal judge to give them 55 years to release data related to the Pfizer COVID vaccines.”

    You, the American public, is not ALLOWED to fully understand what the effects of the without argument experimental never before used on human beings mRNA Pfizer “Vaccine” actually is?

    Apparently so.

    Now does that make any sense to anyone???

    And, The files on the JFK assassination and what they reveal about what truly went on will also be released soon. (Don’t hold your breath)

    S.O.M. in full force here.

  • wayne

    From Rorschach Test to Time Clock: The Zapruder Film
    The Sixth Floor Museum: Max Holland (2015)

  • Cotour

    And to follow up on the abuse of power streaming out of the Democrat political machine White House regarding this forced into the bodies of Americans experimental “Vaccine”:

    OSHA SUSPENDS Biden’s Mandate, SCATHING Court Opinion Calls It “STAGGERINGLY Overbroad”

    It may well be an appropriate choice for older individuals with co morbidities might want to consider choosing to receive the “Vaccine”.

    Or you may want to improve your understanding of the proper supplements and diet that might give you and edge.

    But with risk there should be choice, especially when it is clear you are not being allowed all of the proper information in order that you are able to make an informed decision.

  • Questioner


    I don’t expect us to watch this video in full. But I bring the link here to show which groups all analyze Nietzsche and also use them for themselves. There doesn’t seem to be any limit.

    Nietzsche’s “Jewishness” – Professor Joe Levinson

  • Cotour

    I will look at it, but I think I put Mr. *N* in the proper context.

    I really do not need to expand on it.

    Take anyone literally on just about any subject and not be able to properly interpret their thinking and what the y profess, and there will be problems.

    Mr. *H* I think took Mr. *N* a bit too literally.

    Maybe Mr. *H* saw is mommy naked and that traumatized him and caused him to become what he became?

  • Questioner


    I am fascinated by Nietzsche’s opposition to liberal thinking, what I also basically reject.

    Of course, there are similarities in how Nietzsche imagined a heroic society or his heroic superman (based on the ancient Greek prototypes or the conditions in ancient Rome) and the ideas of Mr. H. about the structure of a nation and the value of an individual in this. Heroism played an important role for both of them. Both of them certainly largely agreed in their assessment of Christianity. But does that make Nietzsche already guilty? Is this already the problem with Mr. H. or something else? Probably the latter.

    I think any other kind of discussion about Mr. H, especially the more nuanced ones that don’t immediately emphasize the monster issue, is barely possible for a long time to come. Everything in this environment is poisonous. Perhaps this will be different in 100 years.

  • Cotour

    Mr. *H* and Mr. *N* understood perfectly S.O.M., unfortunately they only apparently saw it in very narrow terms that only served their subjective purposes.

    All potentials exist if you can subjectively justify them.

    And the “Hero” meme I think demonstrates this narrow interpretation of life. Child like IMO.

    Mr. *N* served a purpose and described the brutality of existence, and Mr. *H* took that and manifested it to everyone’s horror.

    Lets learn something from it and not be condemned to replicate it.

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