Long March 5B core stage from July 24th launch remains in orbit
According to data from the U.S. Space Command, the core stage of the Long March 5B rocket used to launch China’s next large module for its Tiangong space station is still in orbit, with no indication yet that China has the ability to safely de-orbit it over the ocean in a controlled manner.
From Jonathan McDowell’s Twitter feed:
Two objects cataloged from the CZ-5B launch: 53239 / 2022-085A in a 166 x 318 km x 41.4 deg orbit, 53240 / 2022-085B in a 182 x 299 km x 41.4 deg orbit. Orbital epoch of ~1200 UTC confirms that the inert 21t rocket core stage remains in orbit and was not actively deorbited.
In all previous Long March 5B launches the core stage reached orbit, deployed its payload, and then crashed back to Earth uncontrolled a few weeks later because its engines could not be restarted. Since it is large, pieces hit the ground, but fortunately nothing landed in habitable areas. In one case however had the return occurred fifteen minutes earlier it would have landed in the New York City metropolitan area.
There were comments made during the launch countdown by Chinese officials suggesting the stage’s engine can now be restarted to allow it to be de-orbited properly, but if so there is as yet no indication that this has happened. If anything, the presence of these objects in orbit suggest otherwise.
It is also possible Chinese engineers are doing further orbital tests with both objects, and will de-orbit them properly in the next week or so. That China conducted a series of static fire tests of this stage’s engines prior to launch strongly suggested that they can now control its re-entry.
Since China won’t say, however, we can only wait and watch.
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According to data from the U.S. Space Command, the core stage of the Long March 5B rocket used to launch China’s next large module for its Tiangong space station is still in orbit, with no indication yet that China has the ability to safely de-orbit it over the ocean in a controlled manner.
From Jonathan McDowell’s Twitter feed:
Two objects cataloged from the CZ-5B launch: 53239 / 2022-085A in a 166 x 318 km x 41.4 deg orbit, 53240 / 2022-085B in a 182 x 299 km x 41.4 deg orbit. Orbital epoch of ~1200 UTC confirms that the inert 21t rocket core stage remains in orbit and was not actively deorbited.
In all previous Long March 5B launches the core stage reached orbit, deployed its payload, and then crashed back to Earth uncontrolled a few weeks later because its engines could not be restarted. Since it is large, pieces hit the ground, but fortunately nothing landed in habitable areas. In one case however had the return occurred fifteen minutes earlier it would have landed in the New York City metropolitan area.
There were comments made during the launch countdown by Chinese officials suggesting the stage’s engine can now be restarted to allow it to be de-orbited properly, but if so there is as yet no indication that this has happened. If anything, the presence of these objects in orbit suggest otherwise.
It is also possible Chinese engineers are doing further orbital tests with both objects, and will de-orbit them properly in the next week or so. That China conducted a series of static fire tests of this stage’s engines prior to launch strongly suggested that they can now control its re-entry.
Since China won’t say, however, we can only wait and watch.
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The print edition can be purchased at Amazon or from any other book seller. If you want an autographed copy the price is $60 for the hardback and $45 for the paperback, plus $8 shipping for each. Go here for purchasing details. The ebook is available everywhere for $5.99 (before discount) at amazon, or direct from my ebook publisher, ebookit. If you buy it from ebookit you don't support the big tech companies and the author gets a bigger cut much sooner.
The audiobook is also available at all these vendors, and is also free with a 30-day trial membership to Audible.
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What’s the psychology behind the lack of openness in this matter? We can’t tell you because ___? One of they myriad flaws in the gangster totalitarian mindset. They ain’t nice, not by a mile.
Rocket engines are not trivial things to ignite, particularly not large ones like are found on a Long March 5. It’s possible that they have a design that can loiter for several days on orbit and then re-start, after all that’s the kind of technology a truly reusable rocket needs. But nothing other than Starship has demonstrated that yet, even a Falcon 9 booster has a relatively short window of opportunity measured in hours before the batteries are dead, the fuel pressure is low, etc.
So either they’re testing cutting edge technology not technically required for this use case, or it’s not going to do a controlled de-orbit burn with the main engines.
Of course, they never stated that’s what they plan to do. It could be that they are using small thrusters to play with it’s orbit, or have drag surfaces to aim it somewhat during descent.
Cue Moonraker 5 re-entry theme.
It could have been a wet workshop-if only a garbage can.
Have a Progress type Shenzhou push it down when filled.
“What’s the psychology behind the lack of openness in this matter?”
USSR did the same thing. That way, if it fails, they don’t have to admit it.