NASA and Roscosmos finalize barter deal for flying astronauts to ISS
As expected, mere hours after the firing of Dmitry Rogozin as head of Roscosmos, the Russians finally signed a barter deal with NASA for flying astronauts on each other’s spacecraft.
U.S. astronaut Frank Rubio will launch to the space station from Kazakhstan with two Russians in September. That same month, Russian cosmonaut, Anna Kikina, will join two Americans and one Japanese aboard a SpaceX rocket flying from Florida. Another crew swap will occur next spring.
No money will exchange hands under the agreement, according to NASA.
It appears that the firing of Rogozin by Putin signals larger strategic goals. Putin wants to defuse the tensions between the west and Russia, and this barter deal indicates Rogozin’s firing has achieved that aim, at least in space. Whether Roscosmos’s new head, Yuri Borisov, can regain Russia’s international commercial rocket customers is more questionable. Roscosmos under Rogozin proved to be a very unreliable partner. Regaining trust so that westerners will be willing to buy its services again could take decades.
Readers!
Please consider supporting my work here at Behind the Black. Your support allows me the freedom and ability to analyze objectively the ongoing renaissance in space, as well as the cultural changes -- for good or ill -- that are happening across America. Fourteen years ago I wrote that SLS and Orion were a bad ideas, a waste of money, would be years behind schedule, and better replaced by commercial private enterprise. Only now does it appear that Washington might finally recognize this reality.
In 2020 when the world panicked over COVID I wrote that the panic was unnecessary, that the virus was apparently simply a variation of the flu, that masks were not simply pointless but if worn incorrectly were a health threat, that the lockdowns were a disaster and did nothing to stop the spread of COVID. Only in the past year have some of our so-called experts in the health field have begun to recognize these facts.
Your help allows me to do this kind of intelligent analysis. I take no advertising or sponsors, so my reporting isn't influenced by donations by established space or drug companies. Instead, I rely entirely on donations and subscriptions from my readers, which gives me the freedom to write what I think, unencumbered by outside influences.
You can support me either by giving a one-time contribution or a regular subscription. There are four ways of doing so:
1. Zelle: This is the only internet method that charges no fees. All you have to do is use the Zelle link at your internet bank and give my name and email address (zimmerman at nasw dot org). What you donate is what I get.
2. Patreon: Go to my website there and pick one of five monthly subscription amounts, or by making a one-time donation.
3. A Paypal Donation or subscription:
4. Donate by check, payable to Robert Zimmerman and mailed to
Behind The Black
c/o Robert Zimmerman
P.O.Box 1262
Cortaro, AZ 85652
You can also support me by buying one of my books, as noted in the boxes interspersed throughout the webpage or shown in the menu above.
As expected, mere hours after the firing of Dmitry Rogozin as head of Roscosmos, the Russians finally signed a barter deal with NASA for flying astronauts on each other’s spacecraft.
U.S. astronaut Frank Rubio will launch to the space station from Kazakhstan with two Russians in September. That same month, Russian cosmonaut, Anna Kikina, will join two Americans and one Japanese aboard a SpaceX rocket flying from Florida. Another crew swap will occur next spring.
No money will exchange hands under the agreement, according to NASA.
It appears that the firing of Rogozin by Putin signals larger strategic goals. Putin wants to defuse the tensions between the west and Russia, and this barter deal indicates Rogozin’s firing has achieved that aim, at least in space. Whether Roscosmos’s new head, Yuri Borisov, can regain Russia’s international commercial rocket customers is more questionable. Roscosmos under Rogozin proved to be a very unreliable partner. Regaining trust so that westerners will be willing to buy its services again could take decades.
Readers!
Please consider supporting my work here at Behind the Black. Your support allows me the freedom and ability to analyze objectively the ongoing renaissance in space, as well as the cultural changes -- for good or ill -- that are happening across America. Fourteen years ago I wrote that SLS and Orion were a bad ideas, a waste of money, would be years behind schedule, and better replaced by commercial private enterprise. Only now does it appear that Washington might finally recognize this reality.
In 2020 when the world panicked over COVID I wrote that the panic was unnecessary, that the virus was apparently simply a variation of the flu, that masks were not simply pointless but if worn incorrectly were a health threat, that the lockdowns were a disaster and did nothing to stop the spread of COVID. Only in the past year have some of our so-called experts in the health field have begun to recognize these facts.
Your help allows me to do this kind of intelligent analysis. I take no advertising or sponsors, so my reporting isn't influenced by donations by established space or drug companies. Instead, I rely entirely on donations and subscriptions from my readers, which gives me the freedom to write what I think, unencumbered by outside influences.
You can support me either by giving a one-time contribution or a regular subscription. There are four ways of doing so:
1. Zelle: This is the only internet method that charges no fees. All you have to do is use the Zelle link at your internet bank and give my name and email address (zimmerman at nasw dot org). What you donate is what I get.
2. Patreon: Go to my website there and pick one of five monthly subscription amounts, or by making a one-time donation.
3. A Paypal Donation or subscription:
4. Donate by check, payable to Robert Zimmerman and mailed to
Behind The Black
c/o Robert Zimmerman
P.O.Box 1262
Cortaro, AZ 85652
You can also support me by buying one of my books, as noted in the boxes interspersed throughout the webpage or shown in the menu above.
Why would the US want to do that….we have a demonstrated American way to get our people to the ISS……as Rogozin would put it, let the Kremlin get broomsticks
Col Beausabre: The barter deal really centers on safety. The manned capsules are the station’s lifeboats. It is essential that everyone know how to fly both.
My only concern is Yuri Borisov is more military than his predecessor. Hopefully he can figure out the direction the Russian space program should take. I doubt there will be much in the commercialization part of his plan.
Col Beausabre,
To expand a little on what Bob said:
The new seat swap agreement is for assurance that there will always be at least one person on the ISS to operate the US part of the station (USOS), or conversely, one person to operate the Russian modules (ROS), in the event that a crew needs to return home early. This is because if one person becomes severely ill or badly injured, the whole crew must return to Earth, since NASA policy is to not leave someone up on the ISS without a way to return to Earth. Currently, that would result in the USOS being unoccupied if the Crew Dragon needs to return (or the Russian side unoccupied if the Soyuz must suddenly return). Something NASA would like to avoid if possible.
Hopefully it becomes clearer why this difficulty will still remain for NASA even once Starliner is operational. The USOS is not going to have two crew vehicles simultaneously docked save for the brief intervals of crew handoffs or commercial mission visits (like Axiom’s this spring).
Now, I’m merely describing NASA’s reason. I am not endorsing it.
I think….the longer term answer here may be when Axiom Space starts installing its modules on ISS in 2024. That will add additional docking ports and additional life support, and NASA could probably work up a deal with Axiom to have one of its crew trained at all times to teemporarily take over USOS maintenance if the NASA crew suddenly had to leave. By the way. the proposed Axiom, Northrop Grumman, and Orbital Reef stations, when complete, are supposed to be able to support multiple crews at once, so they shouldn’t have to worry about unoccupied stations, barring some really, really bad luck. At that point, NASA could achieve its objective even if it had to completely break off from the Russians.
It takes a lot of focus for an Italy-sized economy to threaten the world, and that focus necessarily has to be on ICBMs, not commercial spacecraft. That’s why the Russians’ primary manned launcher is based on a 1950s-vintage ICBM. Of course, when it is convenient, the French will happily start using the Soyuz again, to show their independence.
Buy and park another Crew Dragon up there.
It does not even have to be attached to a docking port. Its remote controlled anyways.
I wonder if a fake docking port could be attached to the structure just to store one? Data and power hook up of course.
Richard M said;
“when complete, are supposed to be able to support multiple crews at once, so they shouldn’t have to worry about unoccupied stations, barring some really, really bad luck.”
Like thrusters firing out of control?
https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/thrusters-on-soyuz-docked-to-iss-fire-improperly/
Max,
On the ISS, NASA is in charge of providing electricity and thermal control. Roscosmos is in charge of providing maneuvering thrust and excitement.
Rogozin: When being Russian is deemed to be too obviously Russian for the times.
pzatchok,
It is not a matter of just parking an extra capsule. Even dormant, they have a window of time for remaining in space.
A true, dedicated vessel for safe abandon and return to earth (lifeboat) has never been developed. We just always rely on the vessels used to get them up there.
So…how many chickens is a Dragon seat worth, again?
rotate the extra Dragon out every time a new one is sent up. Thus minimizing the total time they spend in space.
This way there is always an American escape vessel in place and ready. The Russians can deal with their own people by themselves.