Astronomers determine that two super-Earths are not as rocky as previously believed
Using observations from both the Hubble Space Telescope and the now retired Spitzer infrared space telescope, astronomers now think that two super-Earth-sized explanets are not as rocky as previously believed, and are in fact liquid worlds with as much as half their make-up comprised of water. From the press release:
Water wasn’t directly detected at Kepler-138 c and d, but by comparing the sizes and masses of the planets to models, astronomers conclude that a significant fraction of their volume – up to half of it – should be made of materials that are lighter than rock but heavier than hydrogen or helium (which constitute the bulk of gas giant planets like Jupiter). The most common of these candidate materials is water.
“We previously thought that planets that were a bit larger than Earth were big balls of metal and rock, like scaled-up versions of Earth, and that’s why we called them super-Earths,” explained Björn Benneke, study co-author and professor of astrophysics at the University of Montreal. “However, we have now shown that these two planets, Kepler-138 c and d, are quite different in nature and that a big fraction of their entire volume is likely composed of water. It is the best evidence yet for water worlds, a type of planet that was theorized by astronomers to exist for a long time.”
With volumes more than three times that of Earth and masses twice as big, planets c and d have much lower densities than Earth. This is surprising because most of the planets just slightly bigger than Earth that have been studied in detail so far all seemed to be rocky worlds like ours. The closest comparison, say researchers, would be some of the icy moons in the outer solar system that are also largely composed of water surrounding a rocky core.
This data simply underlines a basic point: The information we have of all exoplanets is sparse, practically nil. Any conclusions about their make-up is an educated guess, at best. Even now the conclusion that these are water worlds should be treated with great skepticism.
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Using observations from both the Hubble Space Telescope and the now retired Spitzer infrared space telescope, astronomers now think that two super-Earth-sized explanets are not as rocky as previously believed, and are in fact liquid worlds with as much as half their make-up comprised of water. From the press release:
Water wasn’t directly detected at Kepler-138 c and d, but by comparing the sizes and masses of the planets to models, astronomers conclude that a significant fraction of their volume – up to half of it – should be made of materials that are lighter than rock but heavier than hydrogen or helium (which constitute the bulk of gas giant planets like Jupiter). The most common of these candidate materials is water.
“We previously thought that planets that were a bit larger than Earth were big balls of metal and rock, like scaled-up versions of Earth, and that’s why we called them super-Earths,” explained Björn Benneke, study co-author and professor of astrophysics at the University of Montreal. “However, we have now shown that these two planets, Kepler-138 c and d, are quite different in nature and that a big fraction of their entire volume is likely composed of water. It is the best evidence yet for water worlds, a type of planet that was theorized by astronomers to exist for a long time.”
With volumes more than three times that of Earth and masses twice as big, planets c and d have much lower densities than Earth. This is surprising because most of the planets just slightly bigger than Earth that have been studied in detail so far all seemed to be rocky worlds like ours. The closest comparison, say researchers, would be some of the icy moons in the outer solar system that are also largely composed of water surrounding a rocky core.
This data simply underlines a basic point: The information we have of all exoplanets is sparse, practically nil. Any conclusions about their make-up is an educated guess, at best. Even now the conclusion that these are water worlds should be treated with great skepticism.
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218 lightyears away. A 1/2 c generation ship could make it in about 100 years. A water world…..cool to explore.
A guy can dream I guess.
Doubting Thomas: the further-out exoplanets which we can see (by transit) are good for guessing at exoplanets we can’t see, closer to us.
Constraining their properties is good.
Although I completely agree with RZ about us not knowing if these are water worlds. They could be enveloped in thick carbon-dioxide and some other sort of cloud, like Venus is; depending on how high the cloud deck. People used to think Cancri 55e was full carbon. We won’t know unless/until we catch a gas signature in the transit.
Doubting Thomas. You reversed some numbers. 436 years at 0.5 c
John Hare – Oooopsss…thanks. Overcome by enthusiasm. Still excited.
Thanks for the correction
Here’s a question for the more physics minded of you….
If a probe to anywhere traveled at .5c , taking 400 years from our point of view, how long will it have traveled from the probes point of view?
There’s a handy chart here: https://www.fourmilab.ch/cship/timedial.html
Curiously, at 0.5c, the observed difference between the frames of references are the same ratio as nautical miles, to Standard Imperial miles.
It looks like you have to get deep into the nines (0.9999999 etc) to really notice the difference.
Lee–
definitely check out the link from Blair.
Also check out the Lorentz Contraction page, for explanation of length-contraction.
Blair-
Great chart! Excellent website.
I love this stuff, but I always have trouble visualizing exactly what is happening, this makes it easy….
Thanks Blair! ( And wayne!) , That chart is pretty eyebrow raising stuff!!
It just makes more jam of my brain to see it all spread out like that…
Someone, somewhere is having a good giggle at us mortals trying to work out the “why” behind all this!!